User talk:Kaganer/Archives/2017-01

Template:Sisterprojects/ru

You really have not read the warning in the wikitext of the main Sisterproject template? Or hand tremble? --Kaganer 20:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry? I am in the middle of converting the wiki table markup into a template. At that article. I just got distracted for a few minutes. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 20:29, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I do not understand. I'm sorry - just did not have to save that "strange" version.--Kaganer 23:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I am working on converting various main page templates under a certain standard version so that information stays current on all translations. This is part of an effort to translate the main page into a templated structure. Russian for example is already done Main Page/ru. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 23:25, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, I complete translation. Should be redirect from Заглавная страница to Main Page/ru, or from Main Page/ru to Заглавная страница (Russian interface have direct link to Заглавная страница pagename). --Kaganer 00:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome to replace the content of Заглавная страница with {{:Main Page/ru}} if you like if you feel the new design is sufficient and adequate. :) -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 01:25, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. Unification - it's cool! ;) --Kaganer 13:40, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

:D I actually need help for the task. :) -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 13:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Where is todo list? --Kaganer 14:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

New versions of Main Page

First stage (2011)

I think, many wikimedians will help you. For example:

• Main Page/ar (tpl) - finished by Meno25 (repaced الصفحة_الرئيسية),
• Main Page/az (tpl) - finished by Emperyan (called Wertuose, Proger) - (eplaced Ana Səhifə),
• Main Page/be (tpl) - finished by Хомелка (replaced Галоўная_старонка),
• Main Page/bs (tpl) - finished by WizardOfOz (replaced Početna strana),
• Main Page/ce (tpl) - finished by Дагиров Умар (talk) (based on Коьрта агlо),
• Main Page/cs (tpl) - finished by JAn Dudík (replaced Hlavní strana), was a called Mormegil
• Main Page/et (tpl) - finished by Taivo (talk) (replaced Esileht)
• Main Page/he (tpl) - finished by Amire80 (replaced עמוד_ראשי),
• Main Page/hy (tpl) - finished by Pandukht (replaced Գլխավոր Էջ),
• Main Page/ka (tpl) - finished by Melberg (based on მთავარი გვერდი),
• Main Page/lt (tpl) - finished by Vpovilaitis (called Justass, Dirgela) - (replaced Pagrindinis puslapis)
• Main Page/sah (tpl) - finished by HalanTul
• Main Page/sk (tpl) - finished by Bubamara (called Wizzard) (replaced Hlavná stránka),
• Main Page/sl (tpl) - finished by Eleassar (replaced Glavna stran),
• Main Page/sr (tpl) - finished by Micki (started by Millosh) (replaced Главна_страна)
• Main Page/rue (tpl) - finished - Gleb Borisov (talk) (as Головна сторінка/rue),
• Main Page/tt (tpl) - finished by Рашат Якупов (replaced Баш бит)

(to be continued) I do search user for create main pages for more languages of etnic groups in Russia (/sah, /udm, /os etc). --Kaganer 15:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I have been at a desperate search for translations. I have been somewhat successful with languages with a greater IRC presence but for others I am rather baffled. I could of course hunt down translators on their individual local wikis but that is far too much work on top of making sure template complies with everyone's needs. I designed the template structure to provide with all the content needed for the translation. I do not have a documentation for it but the task could be simplified as (this could be the to do list)...

1. Going to Template:Other languages/Template:Main Page and clicking on the relevant red link and translating that.
2. Once that's done the next task is to translate the English content on the sub pages. You can see what I mean in Template:Main Page/sr. Whenever the "Edit" links are clicked it will generate the relevant template to be translated and will automatically replace the /en usage the moment the /xx template is created. Sub template structure (edit links will update or create these):
   1. Template:Main Page/Intro
   2. Template:Main Page/World Heritage
   3. Information thread Template:Main Page/WM News (optional, but recommended)
   4. Template:Main Page/Requests
   5. Template:Main Page/Community and communication
   6. Template:Main Page/Core issues and collaboration
   7. Template:Main Page/Wikimedia Foundation
   8. Template:Main Page/Sisterprojects

I'd like to point out {{Sisterprojects}} already has a lot of translations done but they need to be templateified.

The fun part is once the translations are complete and we decide to add something to the main page, all non translations will display the English text letting translators know exactly what needs to be translated.

-- とある白い猫 ^chi? 16:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I see. Good. I inform those who can. --Kaganer 16:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

/rue and /tt - in progress. --Kaganer 17:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Mind you some languages has material that could be used from the current main pages they have. :) On the bright side {{Sisterprojects}} templatification process is complete with the help of multiple people. They still need translations here and there but at least it is no longer the complicated wikitable. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 08:00, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

• Main Page/ce (tpl) - finished by Дагиров Умар (talk) (based on Коьрта агlо),
• Main Page/fa (tpl) - in progress, called نوژن مدینه ای (talk) (as صفحهٔ_اصلی)
• Main Page/hr (tpl) - called Millosh, Bugoslav (based on Glavna_stranica)
• Main Page/hu (tpl) - in progress by Tgr (instead Kezdőlap),
• Main Page/ka (tpl) - finished by Melberg (based on მთავარი გვერდი),
• Main Page/lv (tpl) - finished by Turaids (without Sisterprojects) (instead Sākumlapa)
• Main Page/rue (tpl) - finished - Gleb Borisov (talk) (new page, transcluded in ???),

Any progress on these? :) -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 09:40, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

/ka is finished--Kaganer 12:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Are you planning on expanding the translations to other languages? Many version of the main page still uses the older style unfortunately. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 11:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Second stage (2014-2017)

• Main Page/kk (tpl) - in progress by Мұхамеджан Амангелді. --Kaganer (talk) 15:52, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
• Main Page/ku (tpl) - called Bikarhêner
• Main Page/mk (tpl) - finished by Bjankuloski06 --Kaganer (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
• Main Page/scn (tpl) - finished by Sarvaturi --Kaganer (talk) 00:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
• Main Page/co (tpl) - finished by Sarvaturi --Kaganer (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
• Main Page/hu (tpl) - finished by Tacsipacsi (replaced Kezdőlap),
• Main Page/ba (tpl) - finished by Ләйсән --Kaganer (talk) 16:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC) >> Баш_бит/ba
• Main Page/tyv (tpl) - called Agilight >> Кол арын
• Main Page/be-tarask (tpl) - finished Renessaince >> Галоўная старонка (тарашкевіца)
• Main Page/te (tpl) - called Pranayraj1985 >> for changing మొదటి_పేజీ --Kaganer (talk) 12:02, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Template for new language (langcode substituted from user interface language):

• {{subst:User:kaganer/mpt|zzz|en}}

  where

  1. "zzz" is language code of target language.
  2. (optional) language code for preload content, "en" by default.

Example:

{{subst:User:kaganer/mpt|zzz}}

{{subst:User:kaganer/mpt|xy|ab}}

Template:Main Page/zzz Thanks to creating Template:Main Page/zzz! For complete translation need also to create next pages (just click links and translate text to the right of the "=" sign): Template:Main_Page/Intro/zzz and six links through Translate Extension: Template:Main_Page/Sisterprojects/zzz Template:Main_Page/Wikimedia_Foundation/zzz Template:Main_Page/Core_issues_and_collaboration/zzz Template:Main_Page/Community_and_communication/zzz Template:Main_Page/Requests/zzz Template:Main Page/WM News/Note/zzz If you can finish it, then it would be great. Very thanks before, --~~~~

Template:Main Page/xy Thanks to creating Template:Main Page/xy! For complete translation need also to create next pages (just click links and translate text to the right of the "=" sign): Template:Main_Page/Intro/xy and six links through Translate Extension: Template:Main_Page/Sisterprojects/xy Template:Main_Page/Wikimedia_Foundation/xy Template:Main_Page/Core_issues_and_collaboration/xy Template:Main_Page/Community_and_communication/xy Template:Main_Page/Requests/xy Template:Main Page/WM News/Note/xy If you can finish it, then it would be great. Very thanks before, --~~~~

Wikimedia Commons

Hello. Regarding this edit, have the other language versions of this page been updated, per the changes I made? Green Giant (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Green Giant, {{translation2}} is part of obsolete translation system. This is unused currently. Your changes of base page shoulds be approved by translation administrator, after that every page with translations will be updated, and all sections what was changed in source page, will be marked as "obsoleted". All translatorswho participated in the execution of any translation will receive a notification that the page has changed.--Kaganer (talk) 01:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. How do I request it then? Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Green Giant, E.g. M:RFH, or call any from translation admins directly. --Kaganer (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

I always learn something new when you help with translation!

Hi Kaganer! I just wanted to thank you for the edits like this one you've been doing today - I didn't know template:LM existed, or that the translation system could do things like handle translations of files. I'm so glad community translators like you are here to help out with translation-marking pages like the strategy pages in the best, most usable way possible (I'm particularly grateful that you are taking the time to do it even when doing it involves cleaning up not-so-perfect work staff like me have already done on it), and I wanted to let you know that your help doesn't go unnoticed, and that we are taking note of things you show us how to do better, so that we can do it right the next time we do it and hopefully reduce the amount of cleanup that falls to volunteers like you :) Kbrown (WMF) (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kbrown (WMF): NP ;) Everything was done well enough. Just call me (or anothers translation admins) if you run into the need to check out the translation markup. --Kaganer (talk) 12:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

RfC translation

Hi. At Talk:Requests for comment/Clarification to CU policy we're trying to make the rfc translatable. I moved the text to a /text subpage and left the signatures in the main RfC page. Please let me know if that's correct or feel free to amend it as you see fit. Thank you for your assistance. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: Done. --Kaganer (talk) 23:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Adminship

Hello. Thank you very much for helping to keep translations updated and clean. I think adminship will be of much benefit to you so you can delete the pages yourself and will save us from having to do two deletions (one for the page, another one for the talk). Please let me know what do you think. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio:: That would be wonderful. With the implementing of the translation extension this issue grows. --Kaganer (talk) 12:41, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Meta:Requests for adminship/Kaganer; good luck. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:13, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: Thanks for page and for good words ;) --Kaganer (talk) 20:02, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations, Dear Administrator!

Deutsch | English | español | français | italiano | 한국어 | Nederlands | português | Türkçe | русский | العربية | Tiếng Việt | edit

An offering for our new administrator from your comrades... (our budget is smaller than Commons)

Kaganer/Archives, congratulations! You now have the rights of an administrator on Meta. Please take a moment to read the Meta:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat, and Meta:Requests for deletion, but also Talk:Spam blacklist and Talk:Interwiki map), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages. The majority of the actions of administrators can be reversed by the other admins, except for history merges which must thus be treated with particular care.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikimedia-admin @ irc.freenode.net. You may find Commons:Guide to adminship to be useful reading although it doesn't always completely apply here at Meta.

Please also check or add your entry to Meta:Administrators#List of administrators and the Template:List of administrators.

—MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:17, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Some help to able the translate option

Dear Kaganer, I´m new making pages with translate options, I´m working on this, a report of a metting, but I don´t see the option to translate yet. Can you give me a little help? Thanks!--Caleidoscopic (talk) 14:25, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

@Caleidoscopic: As I see, Superzerocool has already done everything. --Kaganer (talk) 16:24, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Translation of "Template:Rapid Grants Tabs"

I have noticed that this template is not marked for translation. Is it intentional or not? If this template should be translated, please advise whom should I contact. Haytham^Abulela 19:08, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

@Haytham abulela: See User_talk:I_JethroBT_(WMF)#Tab_names_in_the_grant_program_navbars. In my opinion, thesse templates is should not be marked for translation. Current scheme of grant pages design is very mixed, byt these navbars seen as "design only". That is, all content must be included into Template:GrantmakingNavbar/Content, for future integration of them in Template:GrantmakingNavbar. --Kaganer (talk) 22:10, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

See also new topic Grants_talk:Project#Translation_of_the_tab_labels_in_the_grant_program_navbars. --Kaganer (talk) 22:29, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Thanks for the update. I have put both page on my watchlist. Haytham^Abulela 11:39, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Cross-wiki harassment

Добрый день, Павел, рассмотрите, пожалуйста, действия участника D1gggg, кратковременно заблокированного мной в рувики, затем начавшего отслеживать мои действия на Commons и теперь вандалящего мою страницу обсуждения здесь, на мете: [1]. По всей видимости, кто-то из старых бессрочников. Sealle (talk) 17:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@Sealle: User have been blocked by Stryn for 1 week. SA 13 Bro (talk) 18:02, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Защитить страницу

Здравствуйте, Павел!

Не могли бы вы установить защиту на редактирование моей страницы участника, до уровня, чтобы её могли редактировать только зарегистрированные участники, а переименовывать - только администраторы. Спасибо! -- K-Shlim Igorevich (talk | contributions) 11:18, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

@K-Shlim Igorevich: - а какова причина? Я не вижу никакой злонамеренной активности вокруг Вашей страницы. --Kaganer (talk) 20:45, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Я просто не хочу, чтобы мою страницу редактировали какие-то анонимы. Только зарегистрированные, так как анонимы - в большем случае, могут быть вандалами. Я решил что лучше защитить страницу лучше сразу. -- K-Shlim Igorevich (talk | contributions) 05:32, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Editing WP brochure marked for translation (Translatewiki)

Prevet Kaganer, I was wondering I can have this brochure marked for translation in Translatewiki, failing that Meta. Actually, we will be translating this soon also for the Basque Education Program, so it would best if this also is marked for translation and arranged in Translatewiki if possible. Best regards --Iñaki LL (talk) 14:47, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: TranslateWiki is for interface only, not for content pages. Translatable text for this broshure is there: outreach:Welcome to Wikipedia (Bookshelf)/2013 edition/text. But after finalization of translation someone should be create pdf manually (layout for desktop publishing is available in InDesign format; Scribus format.). --Kaganer (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Good, Спасибо! I will manage with layout. This gives me some 'peace of mind' for a while:p O I see I had actually started the translation, now one gets lost in the maze really... --Iñaki LL (talk) 19:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Kaganer: One more thing, how shall I download the aggregate segments for layout? --Iñaki LL (talk) 20:35, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: Just copy/paste plaintext from outreach:Welcome_to_Wikipedia_(Bookshelf)/2013_edition/text/eu ? --Kaganer (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Reversion of my edits

Dear Kaganer,

Staff explicitly do not have the rights that I removed from User rights. You reverted me which says they have rights that not all staff have now. Some like centralauth-admin have been unused for years. I urge you to read before you act. Thanks --Sau226 (talk) 15:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Sau226: You also remove 'userrights', 'centralauth-oversight' and 'centralauth-lock' rights. But "WMF Support and Safety" group currently have these rights. See Special:ListGroupRights. Page User rights is outdated and should be rewrited (maybe partially). --Kaganer (talk) 16:10, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

The page is talking about the "staff" global group. Support and Safety is a local group with its own page --Sau226 (talk) 19:01, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Sau226: Sure, your changes was restored. Thanks. --Kaganer (talk) 00:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

@Kaganer: No thank you --Sau226 (talk) 10:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

TheStoneBot approved and flagged

—MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: Thanks! --Kaganer (talk) 23:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hello, how many it is necessary to have edits to receive a flag autopatrolled on meta-wiki? MaksimPinigin (talk) 21:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@MaksimPinigin: См. Meta:Autopatrollers/ru - нет формальных критериев. По мере готовности. --Kaganer (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Translation request for New Readers Inspire Campaign-- and thanks!

Hi there! I'm contacting you because you've volunteered your time in the past to help translate Inspire Campaigns, or you've expressed an interest about helping to translate. We have a new campaign starting soon about new readers, as we try to encourage contributors to develop ideas on how to inform and invite people to use Wikipedia, especially in places where folks are not aware of it. There are two pages that will need translation:

• The main landing page for the campaign
• The FAQ page for the campaign

There will be one additional page for translation that includes the questions we will be asking idea creators when they submit ideas for the campaign. I will notify you when that prose is ready.

Finally, thank you for your support; it's very important to me that these campaigns are accessible to folks across non-English Wikimedia projects, and I wouldn't be able to do that without your time and effort. In appreciation, I'd like to send you a postcard from Chicago where I reside. If you'd like to receive a postcard from me, please e-mail me with an address I contact you at to my work e-mail, cschillingwikimedia.org. I realize this is private information, so if you would prefer not to receive a postcard, that is understandable. Your work to make our projects accessible to everyone is no less appreciated. Please let me know if you have any questions about the prose regarding translation. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) 20:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Marking for translation, to Basque

Hi Kaganer, the Basque Wikimedians are progressing with our education and translation program. Still there is a small number of issues to be addressed, some of which I have cited before, as follows:

1. This slide has been published, that is clear like in all Wikipedia Essentials and Basics modules, but not in most of the rest Editing section modules. Is this a consequence of the bug cited in Phabricator? Please bear in mind that most of the modules cannot be updated or refreshed.

2. The last slides of Editing Basics have not been published either (it reads "91%").

3. We would need to translate the home page of Training in the Dashboard, as well as the next page. Still I cannot find where the source English language are located. Then we would need to have it marked.

Your help is greatly appreciated! --Iñaki LL (talk) 11:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL:

1) I am don' see or don't understand your problem. Please explain more clearly.

2) Last slides of Editing Basics was succwssfully published in Dashboard - i seen Basque translation.

3) This is should be question to dashboard's managers. Maybe in Phabricator.

--Kaganer (talk) 13:24, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: 1. Please compare these two: this, from Editing essentials 103xx, and this, from Evaluating articles 109xx. The former is totally integrated in the interface, the latter still gives you the opportunity to translate..., well it is translated by now!

2. I thought the whole module was functional, until I saw this and this, see items 22 and 23, inactive (I am logged in).

3. Yes, it is made up of two questions really: Where is the source? Can you mark it for translation? I will try my hand in Phabricator then. Thank you --Iñaki LL (talk) 14:38, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL:

1) First translated, second is untranslated. What your problem? Just translate second slide. (PS: for local pages please use internal links - see this my reply);

2) Items 22 and 23 is active for me (but i am seen these as inactive in past visite). This is may be for completed steps when the module is not fully completed.

3) I'm found these texts in the next pages: Training modules/editing-medical-topics, Training_modules/evaluating-articles, Training modules/editing-basics, Training modules/wikipedia-essentials (/de, /eu), Training modules/evaluating-articles, Training_modules/sandboxes, Training modules/sources, Training modules/plagiarism, Training modules/images-and-media, Training modules/translating-articles. But i'm don't sure that these pages will be automatically transferred to dashboard. Maybe these should be renamed fo subpages of "Training modules/dashboard/..." (and maybe needs some other actions). By way, text for library page i'm founded only in User:Ragesoss/dashboard libraries/editing-wikipedia.json. Please contact with Ragesoss or write question in Phabricator. If these texts would be included into set of automatically sinchronized items, i'm mark these for translations.

--Kaganer (talk) 15:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

1) O my... That happens to be one of the only couple of modules I have not translated myself, so the other translator has not done his job yet, Ok... Compare this (first example) with this, translated but not showing a fully integrated interface, with the latter failing to show a Basque language option in the menu. This is the case in most or all the modules you enumerate above.

2) I confirm 22 and 23 as inactive for me once inside the Dashboard, but they appear normally if we check the corresponding slides page in Editing basics module, here and here. Will contact with Rageoss, thanks. --Iñaki LL (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

3) The links you provide above (Training modules/editing-medical-topics, etc.) do not match this, they are slightly different. The latter link is partially covered by the Ragesoss' page you pointed, part of it. --Iñaki LL (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL:

1) Yes! I'm understod! The new language in the panel will appear after you begin the translation. Just press link "Itzuli orri hau" (if your user interface in Euskara) above language bar and start your translation. If your user interface in English or third language, you need select "Euscara" in top right corner.

2) Inactivity in Dashboard isn't relevancy with translations issue. Try relogin in dashboard; and also try click on slide 21, select third ansver and then press "Hurrengo orria".

3) Ok, probably these obsolete pages should be deleted, or renamed and updated. Dear @Ragesoss:, please give us true solution!

--Kaganer (talk) 22:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

1) Thanks but that is obvious at this point, what I mean is that most of the modules have been translated, still cannot see the Basque language heading "Euskara" (or "Basque", depending on interface language) in the menu bar, except for the modules Editing basics and Editing essentials, and a couple of loose slides, just test it! Why are not the rest of slides with translation completed fully functional? That is my question...

2) While I am logged in, the inactivity of those two items persists, but when I log out they are active.

3) Yes, a helping hand is very much welcome!:) --Iñaki LL (talk) 08:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: Language bar is just wiki-tag <language/>. This was added manually by me in first two sections, and don't added by other users, what a mark for translations. If language bar is exist and translation of this slide into some language was started, that language name will be displayed. If translation was not started - just start it. If you seen "red links" in your subpage what was created by me - just click it and press «Itzuli» tab link, placed at left from "star" icon.--Kaganer (talk) 12:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

As example, translation for slide Training modules/dashboard/slides/10908-why-cite was not started by nobody (page Training modules/dashboard/slides/10908-why-cite/eu is not exist). But if you press small link "Itzuli orri hau" above language bar in source slide and if you translate any item, that "/eu" subpage will be created and name of your language will be appears in the language bar. --Kaganer (talk) 12:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

So how should I add the language menu at the top, not in English, but in the Basque language slide, so that they look the same? (There is no Edit tab in the Basque slide, there is "Itzuli" instead = Translate, but I do not need it, since it has been translated by now) Thank you --Iñaki LL (talk) 16:14, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: Fixed. --Kaganer (talk) 16:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I saw the English slide gives me the opportunity to add the language menu myself as explained above, but not in Basque. If I could do it myself I would add the language menu in the Basque slides. --Iñaki LL (talk) 22:03, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: You may added language bar in the source (english) slides. Then someone from translation administrators should be marking these slide for translation. After this language bar will be appear in the subpages with translations. --Kaganer (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

So I should understand some administrator will notice that I have added the menu bar in English and they will add it in turn in the translated Basque language slides, right? Good! That is a small step forward. --Iñaki LL (talk) 09:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kaganer, I found there are some loose segments that despite having been translated remain in English in the Basque language slide. This seems to be due to not having been marked for translation, like "Click to expand/collapse" as explained and pinpointed in this conversation. Could you mark them for translation? Thank you --Iñaki LL (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: Please give me more exact link. In common way, if you tranlate some items, these translation should be immediately visible in the "/eu" subpage. --Kaganer (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I should mention the "Test yourself!" message, check out this: I have seen showing untranslated (link below), although you seem to have mark it for translation. Secondly, look at this (click to collapse/expand, "Discuss this question"). Could that be worked out? --Iñaki LL (talk) 15:06, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I was updated of template, but not slide. Three new items is added, please check again. --Kaganer (talk) 15:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Clicking on the link above ("look at this") it has not refreshed yet... --Iñaki LL (talk) 09:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

...Becouse translation for new items does was not be made. Please check untranslated items in the translation interface. --Kaganer (talk) 14:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

You are actually right, my oversight! (Always on the same three segments) Now fixed. Thank you --Iñaki LL (talk) 12:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Помощь с Central Notice

Добрый день, Павел! У меня к Вам просьба как к администратору Меты. В этой заявке сделан запрос на баннер (с небольшой частотой показа) для Wikivoyage, Википедии и Commons. В итоге баннер активирован с задержкой и только для Wikivoyage, что не имеет большого смысла, поскольку там мы могли повесить баннер и самостоятельно. Я не знаю, что имел в виду делавший это администратор. Достучаться до него довольно трудно, а время, между тем, идёт. Не могли бы Вы добавить к кампании Википедию (языковые разделы, указанные в заявке) и Commons? Заранее спасибо! --Alexander (talk) 05:46, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@Atsirlin:, я поправил. --Kaganer (talk) 11:55, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Спасибо! --Alexander (talk) 13:54, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Translatewiki not refreshing?

Zdravstvuite Kaganer! Hope you are doing well. I come for this issue related to the "Paragrafoa" dropdown menu in Visual Editor (example from article Donostia). I corrected its terminology in Translatewiki (searched for word Azpiatalburua). However, the dropdown menu is still not corrected after one day. Is this an issue or do we still need to wait more until it refreshes? Best regards --Iñaki LL (talk) 11:02, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@Iñaki LL: One-two week, approximately. --Kaganer (talk) 15:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Category:Wikimedia Movement nominated for deletion

Hello. An item which you created or you have editted substantially (Category:Wikimedia Movement) has been nominated for deletion. Please see the ongoing discussion at Meta:Requests for deletion. Thank you. – mik^talk 16:42, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Translatewiki.net

Please help translate:

MediaWiki:Visualeditor-debugbar-logrange/ru - click here

Журнал > Журнал выбран

Cheers. 188.32.112.255 04:41, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

This is incorrect version. Changed to "Отладка выделенного". --Kaganer (talk) 12:28, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Please help create Wikimedia:Wikipedia-android-strings-reading_list_preference_login_or_signup_to_enable_sync_dialog_login/ru - click here

Войти / создать учётную запись

Done

Also create Wikimedia:Wikipedia-ios-settings-storage-and-syncing-erase-saved-articles-button-title/ru - click here Стереть

Done

Also create Wikimedia:Wikipedia-ios-settings-storage-and-syncing-erase-saved-articles-title - click here

Стереть сохранённые статьи

Done

Also create iNaturalist:Change admin/ru - click here

Изменить администратора

Cheers. 188.32.112.255 12:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't seen this option in work, and I can not translate this, because I do not understand the context. --Kaganer (talk) 13:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: all translate https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=out-wikimedia-mobile-0-all&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate and https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=commons-android&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate, No comment, Sadly. 188.32.112.255 03:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand your point. Please write in Russian, if this is more comfortable for you. --Kaganer (talk) 23:18, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Create empty page https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Wikimedia:Commons-android-strings-about_translate/ru&action=edit. 188.32.112.255 04:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Kaganer, help all translate https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ajapaik&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate and all translate https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=interaction-timeline&language=ru and all translate https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=xtools&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate all translate https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=tsint-0-all&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate. 83.220.239.109 09:31, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Help translate https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-0-all&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate and https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=wiki-betawiki&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate. 188.32.112.255 11:44, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Kaganer where? No new comment? Sadly. 83.220.239.144 09:42, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

ASAP. --Kaganer (talk) 11:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Please help translate for translatewiki.net

Help please translate iNaturalist:Fblocale/ru - click here:

ru_RU

Cheers. 188.32.112.255 15:07, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

ASAP. --Kaganer (talk) 11:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Help please all translate 1 and 2. 83.220.239.144 13:56, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Again, no new comment. 188.32.112.255 03:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Kaganer where?, no new comment. Sadly. 83.220.239.144 10:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Coming return, help please translate of FreeCol: click here. 188.32.112.255 17:46, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Again, you are no comment. 77.37.135.11 15:32, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

What kind of comments are you waiting for? Why should I leave my current work and start working urgently on your requests? I translate what I think is necessary, when I feel comfortable. I have a lot of other work besides this. I do not see any urgency in your applications. Please stop disturb me. --Kaganer (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Kaganer. Help translate https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=out-wikimedia-mobile-0-all&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate, https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=xtools&language=ru, https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=interaction-timeline&language=ru, https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=out-freecol&language=ru and https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ajapaik&language=ru&filter=%21translated&action=translate. 83.220.236.27 17:35, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Kaganer, where help translate. 77.37.135.11 11:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Kaganer can check https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=mediawiki&language=ru&filter=translated%7C%21reviewer%3Anull%7C%21last-translator%3Anull&action=proofread, no new comment. Sadly. 77.37.135.11 12:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Help request for synonym labeling

@Kaganer: We are building a model to be able to do article section alignment across Wikipedia languages. I'm wondering if you can help us with a labeling task that will define the ground truth for a synonym detection algorithm. (Please be aware that clicking on the next two links will take you to a Google spreadsheet) The task and the instructions. I'd appreciate if you let me know if this is something you can help us with. Thanks either way! :) --LZia (WMF) (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Of cource. I'm will be filling it. Please note, that current instruction is irrelevant to the table - "same / overlap / different" values in instruction versus the "not related / synonim / related" options in the real worksheet. --Kaganer (talk) 22:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@LZia (WMF): - Done. Sheet "ru-r1" is filled. --Kaganer (talk) 00:06, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: Thank you very much. If I may ask, would your responses change if instead of these three labels you had in the sheet, you would have "same", "different", "overlap" labels available to you. Thanks! --LZia (WMF) (talk) 00:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@LZia (WMF): I do not think that something will changed. But "related" is more broad term then "overlap". --Kaganer (talk) 01:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kaganer: got it. thanks for confirming. We will fix the labels for future data collections. --LZia (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

ДЕРЕВЕНСКИЙ НАСОС

Не поможете узнать, кто автор деревенского насоса в опросе, который был проспамлен по СО в рувики дня три назад? Вот в этом. MBH (talk) 11:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

• @MBH: Я уже второй день смотрю и плачу. Рыдаю практически. См. мой запрос Talk:Community_Insights/Translation#How_to_update_translations_in_the_Qualtrics_website?. --Kaganer (talk) 11:59, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Разобрались в техническом чате. Сообщения, не переведённые здесь, похоже, переводятся гуглотранслейтом. MBH (talk) 12:01, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
    • @MBH: - если так, то вот это пять. Нет, все десять. Вот как так можно? (риторический вопрос). Чувствую себя министром Лавровым. --Kaganer (talk) 12:16, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
      • Ну а как ещё, оставлять на английском? Гуглотранслейт гораздо лучше, отличная идея. MBH (talk) 12:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
        • @MBH: Как ещё?! А что, идея заранее обратиться к сообществу и попросить перевести вопросы и варианты ответов (как это делалось много раз раньше) - это теперь из области фантастики? Просто дивный новый мир наступил, а мы и не заметили. при том, что я уже переводил в свое время с десяток таких опросов, и несколько задолбался переводить одно и то же по многу раз. НИЧЕГО не наследуется. Никто НИЧЕГО не помнит.--Kaganer (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
        • Могли бы, например, заполнить переводы и позвать добровольцев вычитать. Много вариантов. --Kaganer (talk) 12:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
          • Не, это всё понятно, но это не ответ на вопрос. Что делать, если час Ч наступил, а часть сообщений не переведена? Гуглотранслейт - ответ лучше, чем английский; других вариантов и вовсе нет. MBH (talk) 12:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
            • @MBH: Можно было сделать хоть что-то, чтобы этого не случилось - "другие же могут?" Не было сделано НИЧЕГО. Но я думаю, что предположение об автоматической подстановке гуглопереводов ошибочно. Сейчас Гугл переводит отдельные вопросы не так, как это отображается на сайте. Я думаю, что переводы были сделаны кем-то ещё год назад, но поскольку опрос не был расширен на русскоязычную аудиторию, их никто не заметил. --Kaganer (talk) 12:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
              • Я не нашёл текста "деревенский насос" полным поиском ни по транслейтвики, ни по мете. MBH (talk) 12:38, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
                • @MBH: Я не нашёл ни одной из развернутых фраз - ни вопросов, ни ответов. Из этого следует, что эти переводы (были) сделаны вне вики, но и только. --Kaganer (talk) 12:50, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
                • @MBH: Ну, я был прав. Почитайте по моей ссылке ответ ответственного. Он написал в рассылку, никто не откликнулся, он подождал до дедлайна, а потом заказал перевод кому-то на стороне. Не, ну а чо? Нормалёк.--Kaganer (talk) 16:04, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Re: About WMF Annual Plan

Thanks for doing this. I don't currently the energies to read yet another disappointing WMF annual plan, but I'll try later this month. --Nemo 04:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

No luck, it seems. I didn't have any hope about WMF doing the right thing so I can't say I'm disappointed. --Nemo 13:44, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: Next edit. Not everything is lost. --Kaganer (talk) 23:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Translation request

Please help translate Wikidata, Wikimedia Mobile Apps and XTools. 83.220.238.23 09:41, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Community Engagement Insights

Hi Kaganer!

You had signed up as a translator for the Community Insights Survey at Community Insights/Translation. Could I trouble you for one last thing this year? There's a final message at Community Engagement Insights/MassMessages/Closing for the community, and it'd be great to have it in Russian, if you have the time. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@Johan (WMF): Done --Kaganer (talk) 23:03, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Much appreciated! /Johan (WMF) (talk) 00:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

WMF Board members (chart)

Hello, your recent update to “WMF Board members” page inspired me to put the Board member chart into ja. Could you please have a look at the above link, or the ja translations are not shown in correct script, but all squares. Do I need to post the bug elsewhere? Doubt other non-Latin script would show correctly. Cheers,--Omotecho (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC) Omotecho (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Omotecho: See mw:Extension:EasyTimeline#Unicode - default font for diagrams should be changed through $wgTimelineFontFile. But i don't know, if there's a proper font. --Kaganer (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

See phab:T32790 and phab:T115188 for related issues. --Kaganer (talk) 21:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you adding the case to phab:T115188, and I guess the issue is not with translation at all. I wish there be not much of those similar to Template:BoardChart, but anyway, appreciate you guided me to see the big picture. It is not quite case-closed, but will keep an eye on the ticket... Cheers, forgot to leave signature --Omotecho (talk) 15:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Omotecho: User:Amire80 wrote me, that EasyTimeline extension is obsoleted, and tag "Timeline" should be replaced to "graph" as possible. See mw:Extension:Graph. I am planned learn this in the near future. --Kaganer (talk) 15:40, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, great progress! I will try and translate mw:Extension:Graph before long. Thank you again, what a good day today. --Omotecho (talk) 16:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Begging a favour

Would you be so kind to set up Template:Emergency-bot-shutoff so we can have it translatable. Thanks if you could. Not done templates before, and I am usually more of an updater than a starter.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Well. This is should be in "autotranslation mode", as i understood. --Kaganer (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Done, see Template:Emergency-bot-shutoff/i18n. --Kaganer (talk) 12:22, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

What are your thoughts about User:CommonsDelinker being put into translate mode? Unusual for a user: ns page, though one I think that we should consider.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:32, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Presuming that translated global pages work through the magic? Maybe they won't pick up language variables.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: In my own Meta-wiki userpage is used language swith based on {{int:lang}}. If you look at this page from pt.wikipedia.org with "?uselang=ru" and with "?uselang=en", you can see the differences. These same you may see in the new Ingush Wikipedia for inh:User:CommonsDelinker - with the "uselang=ru" you may see russian translation of Emergency-bot-shutoff section! --Kaganer (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Excellent news. Then I think that we can have a successful migration, and this will enable me to push xwiki for the removal of all the translated user pages.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Would you see this as something that we would set up as subpages and let the languages do their own set of text (or which we can just copy and paste it); or something using the translate tools.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:28, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

See w:d:Benutzer:CommonsDelinker - this is unlikely to be replaced by a global page, even if this one will be translated. In this local page is used custom project-specific header, and also this page is linked with other bot pages through navbox. This is only single example. So there's no point in taking care of moving local pages. It will only be possible to remove the soft redirects and half-empty pages where they were created. --Kaganer (talk) 15:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Отписка от рассылок

Здравствуйте. Можете, пожалуйста, отписать меня от всех этих рассылок? Заранее благодарю. --The222anonim (talk) 18:44, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Это можно делать самостоятельно. Я не вижу, чтобы Вы были подписаны на какую-то из рассылок такого рода. --Kaganer (talk) 22:04, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Но тем не менее, я их получаю в русской Википедии. Вот эти, например.

• ESEA Newsletter
• GLAM
• Learning Quarterly
• Signpost
• Tech ambassadors
• Wikimedia Education Newsletter
• Wikidata
• Wikipedia Library
• Nieuwsbrief Wikimedia Nederland
• Structured Data on Commons

--The222anonim (talk) 08:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Да, я не заметил, что там внешние ссылки. Внизу сообщения каждой рассылки есть ссылка c текстом "Unsubscribe". Идёте по ней, и в режиме редактирования удаляете из списка строку со ссылкой на свою уч. запись. Никто за Вас это сделать не вправе. --Kaganer (talk) 11:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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Central notice adminship

Hi! For security reasons, the Foundation decided to remove the rights related to Central Notice adminship from regular Meta admins, so that only the special group "central notice administrators" still has them. Since you made CN-related actions in the last 12 months, WMF requested us Meta bureaucrats to add you to do this group, in order not to disturb your workflow. The announcement can be found here. Best regards --MF-W 10:43, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: Thanks, this will be useful ;) I am not very good at this functionality, but I promise to study this more carefully. --Kaganer (talk) 16:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Help me

Dear how to create wikipaesia Mohamed Abdullaahi Physics (talk) 09:46, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Morandi89

Dear colleague, could you please share the links to his complains in social networks (just to see if these are any different from his mail and unblocking request at his user talk page) to my wiki-mail? Sincerely, Tatewaki (talk) 15:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Main Page translations

Hello, Kaganer,

The work you do is tremendous, and I salute thee.

I would like to ask you about the translation/definition Translations:_Main Page/15/hr and the context You defined.

I believe that this translation/definition is in connection with the 133th line of the Template: Other languages/Template:Main Page, namely, that translation is in my opinion trying to circumvent the usage of that template.

The 133th line is:
{{LangAutoSwitch|e=span|lang={{{lang|en}}}

It forces the text '''Old style:''' into translated old style main pages, in those cases where translation doesn't exist.

The 133th line is in connection with Template: En.

On some pages the 133th line works fine, like: Glavna strana, Faqja kryesore. On other pages it doesn't seem to work: Special: WhatLinksHere/Template:MetaHomePages, for instance Acuèlh, Hafan.

This is why I think the translation (Translations: Main Page/15/hr, and the rest of them) should be like in Template: En, because I seems to me that programers envisioned that part of the problem: to show both old style and new style main pages, some of them marked with (en).

It is possible that the programmers meant to use it for marking parts of translatable pages as not (yet) translated, and also use it when there is no available translation in Template: En.

Second question: Hovedside or Forside? In Translations: Main Page/Page display title/nb. I looked at no.wiki and at translatewiki: MediaWiki:Mainpage/nb.

Hope this helps you. Thanks in advance for all your help. Truly yours. -- Nesmir Kudilovič (razgovor) 19:47, 16. prosinca 2018. (SEV)

@Nesmir Kudilovic:

(1) You are mistaked. "T:15" is connected with Template:Main Page/WM News only. This is temporary option for displaying news in the relevant language (if translations is exists). Maybe this will be deleted and replaced into another code. --Kaganer (talk) 02:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

(2) This is no my own desigion. See Hovedside page history (historically used for "nb") vs. Forside page history (historically used for "da"). In my opinion, this is good way, so that the names for different languages are different. Otherwise, needs to create disambiguation page.--Kaganer (talk) 02:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

PS: About translation in TWN - see history: translation of Mainpage/nb (and relevant messages) was replaced to "Forside" in 2013 (after 7 years) withot any reason and without discussion. This is may bу freely reverted by these same way. --Kaganer (talk) 02:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)