Talk:MassMessage/Archives 2

Request for MassMessage sender's flag

Hi, not sure if this is the right place, but may I pelase ask for MassMessage sender's right, needed for the delivery of the CEE Newsletter once a month (usually first day of the month). Currently the list of subscribers is small enough, but this may also be due to the fact that the problem with the automated delivery has not been yet solved. I am aware how to use the tool, as I have used it as administrator both on Bulgarian Wikipedia and on Commons. If this is not the right place to ask for this user right, I welcome any advice where is more appropriate to addess it. :) →Spiritia 17:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

User found right venue --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 17:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Unsubscribe

Please unsubscribe my account from any MediaWiki message delivery messages. See s:ru:User talk:Ratte: category Opted-out of message delivery doesn't help. Ratte (talk) 07:29, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

You have to place localized (by language) category there to be effective. Check Wikidata. — regards, Revi 08:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

And only way to unsubscribe is using the category. There’s no other unsubscribing method, other than senders not including your pages there. — regards, Revi 08:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Recipients on different plaforms

In March, we agree with other users in Tuscany to centralize our mass message list of Tuscan users on meta, as a form of respect of other it-N platforms and the users who are foreigners. I recycled the list on itwikipedia I prepared in 2016 in this page and I have to integrate it. Some of the users however don't have a meta userpage because they are old users who were not very active after the SUL passage but we would like to inform in any case. Other users who I will insert later are simply more active on wikisource or commons and should be informed there if possible. One user should be contacted on frwikipedia (even if he understands the message in Italian, he is more active there)

Last time that I prepared a mass message for users on many platforms I arranged the recipients in multiple lists, see User:Alexmar983/MassMessageList, I put "discussioni utente" for it-N platforms and "user talk" for wikidata and commons in separate lists. I would like however this time to make a list that organize these users in the same space. Is this possible, or in the mass message system the target platform cannot be encoded in the lists of talk pages?

Thank you.--Alexmar983 (talk) 11:28, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Failed message

I sent a message to Global message delivery/Targets/Signpost for The Signpost monthly publication. The interface told me the message was sent and after a few minutes, there were zero queued messages. However, no one on the list received the message. I want to double-check before I try to send again. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:52, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I've since added a task to Phabricator. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

BMJ account

Hi, I got a message asking if I still wished to use my BMJ account. I no longer need this, so no need to wait to redistribute it, feel free to do so now.

Cheers, Fish and karate (talk) 12:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Why?

Hi! I replace forum for message [1], but bot don't work with new adress [2]. Мастер теней (talk) 17:21, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for mass message delivery: October 5, 2018

Can someone please deliver message to WAM 2018 Organizers thanks!

Here are the details

• Mailing list: Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikipedia_Asian_Month_Organisers
• Subject of mass mailing: Wikipedia Asian Month 2018 Mass Message for Organizers
• Content of mass mailing: Call to WAM Organizers
• Requested delivery date: October 6

Thanks for your assistance! (Tagging Mass message senders: @Kharkiv07: Template:Bullet @Xaosflux:) WikiPancake ^{✉ 📖} Regards, Wikilover90 Wikilover90 (talk) 15:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

doing — xaosflux ^Talk 15:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

done @Wikilover90: your message was sent, I had to move the message source to a meta: page to get it to subst in with MMS, now at Meta:Wikipedia Asian Month 2018/Call to WAM Organizers. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, So I just completely messed that up, going through to fix now. Sorry! — xaosflux ^Talk 15:41, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: I think you posted the old message of WAM. ^^--Wikilover90 (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

@Wikilover90: I messed up the delivery completely, just went and undid all the deliveries I was able to. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, cleanup is done. I have to go out for a bit, anyone else feel free to revisit this. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:19, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Appreciate it!

Thanks @Xaosflux: for the support, I am taking it forward, I will send the message. Regards--Sailesh Patnaik 17:13, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

DoneSailesh Patnaik 17:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Message delivered twice to some recipients over a period of a few hours

Wanted to report this problem regarding message duplication. If this isn't the right place, please let me know. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

request that all edits identify bot operator

All mass message activities should identify the person doing the mass messaging.

Why does this not happen already? Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:31, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I added rules to address this at special:diff/18670748/18678213. Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:17, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Huh? Any MassMessage does specify who triggered it. What you are looking for is located in the end of every message in an HTML comment. --Base (talk) 02:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

@Base: I see. You are correct, and thanks for explaining.

How would you feel about requiring that the sender's identity be in the body of the message to make it more obvious? The norm in Wikimedia projects is for the person making a talk page post to sign it. Are you aware of any discussion or rationale for treating MassMessage posts differently? Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:35, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Evidently I complained about this in 2014. From the archives:

• Lack of signature time stamp breaks auto archiving June 2014
• Signature recommendation April 2015

Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

[editconflict] Well, it is a bit complicated. Often messages are on behalf of some organising committee and sender themselves are not important as such. Then there are newsletters where sender's identity is even less important. It does make sense though in some abstract general sense, though for me that comment was always enough if I basically had to look up who is to blame. I am not aware of such discussion, and I think that the messages should be treated just as though they were done manually. Again though rules vary with this regard. I know that on ruwiki for instance it is explicitly allowed in rules to use rollback against unwelcome invitations and other mass messages (the rule predates MassMessage tool unless I am mistaken). Basically looking through this page afresh it looks that is already contains a good deal of best practices, including prompt to include signature. --Base (talk) 02:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Request for mass message delivery ASAP

Hi, can someone please deliver message to WLE French photographers on Commons?

Here are the details

• Mailing list: User:Sarah Krichen WMFr/WLE 2018+2017
• Subject of mass mailing: Wiki Loves Earth France 2019 n'attends que vous !
• Content of mass mailing: Annonce lancement WLE France 2019
• Requested delivery date: ASAP

Thanks for your assistance CC @VIGNERON: @Jean-Frédéric:

Sarah Krichen WMFr (talk) 17:23, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Done This was Done on 9 May by Jean-Frédéric. Quiddity (talk) 15:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Is MassMessage ever used for delivering identical content to the same page multiple times?

TLDR: Do you know of any uses for MassMessage, where it delivers identical content to the same page? E.g. content similar to a user-warning template, where everything might be the same except the timestamp.

I ask because we're trying to determine whether there would be any problems with a proposed solution (using "De-duplication") for the rare bug where MassMessage can post the same message to the same page multiple times due to JobQueue issues (see tech details in phab:T232379#5480718). I.e. It would make it impossible to send exactly the same message to the same page regardless of timing. Would that cause a problem on any wiki that you know of? We think not, but want to be more certain. Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Do not spam again and again

Hi MassMessage,

Please do not spam my talk page and remove my user name from your spam list.

• 2018 you spammed [3] → I removed my user name from your spam list [4] → I removed your spam [5]
• 2019 you spammed again [6] → I removed your spam [7] and again → [8] → I removed your spam [9]

I have reduced my editing because of harassment and messing up my talk page. Some sockpuppets are now blocked. [10] [11] If you have to say something about my editing in Wikipedia or you have questions then personal (no mass messages) contacting is absolutely acceptable. For important mass messages Kahvihuone (uutiset) is right place to reach many editors.

Sincerely, ---raid5 (talk) 20:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC) edit: added earlier 2019 wiki links ---raid5 (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello -raid5, thank you for letting me know! You will not receive a talk page message about this survey again. --RMaung (WMF) (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Rebecca Maung and thank you for replying. ---raid5 (talk) 20:07, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

User:RMaung (WMF) or whoelse is responsible of this spamming. Other problem is that the people who send these surveys don't read any replys to them. Here someone said they already filled the survey and they still got the reminder message. You should stop spamming users on their talk pages, use instead Notifications or some other way. Stryn (talk) 07:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Stryn! We absolutely do read the responses to this survey! However, as the survey is completed anonymously, we do not know who has and has not completed it unless they let us know. Once we are told that someone has already taken the survey or wishes not to receive messages about it, we can take them off our list! I will make sure you receive no further messages about taking this survey. --RMaung (WMF) (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Raid5: @Stryn: see User:MediaWiki message delivery: «If you do not wish to receive any messages, add your user talk page to Category:Opted-out of message delivery». For sv.wiki it should be w:sv:Category:Användare som valt bort leverans av massmeddelanden. For fi.wiki it should be w:fi:Category:Eivät halua joukkoviestejä Ratte (talk) 11:34, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not against mass messages but against sending same mass message (aka reminders) many times by purpose. Stryn (talk) 11:40, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I have already opted-out: [12] For example some bad-mannered applications collect user statistics and user must remember opt-out every time that function. If I want take part in then I opt-in – not otherwise. I am against mass messages and I recommend Kahvihuone (uutiset) (my watchlist). It is more simple, less traffic and mess. Those news can translated once and a mission is done. Editors can comment it and make questions. ---raid5 (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Problem with a queue

Hi, i have sent a mass message after some test but it never arrived, the queue in the stats was 0. After few minutes I assumed it might have been a bug, nothing arrived. Now I see that both mass messages are listed. Do you have any advice?--Alexmar983 (talk) 20:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I would remove one of them from a queue but the queue is at zero, as far as I can check. And I need to send this message, I am already late of many weeks and last time I had to copy and paste them one by one in the talk pages. This year I finally created a list and... nothing.--Alexmar983 (talk) 20:20, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I made a test and I know that single message arrive, so if nothing occurs since we need this message I will separate the list in smaller lists and try again.--Alexmar983 (talk) 20:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I am using smaller lists now, unfortunately I made a typo in some messages but you get distracted if you have to make your work in such a fragmented way. What was the original problem? is there a limit per message?--Alexmar983 (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

ok I am completing the sending with smaller lists. If I might express a comment, if this is some sort of filter because you are worried that somebody too many poor messages, it actually forces me to do so many additional passage that the chace to make mistakes increases, as occured with my first and second step.

You shouldn't limit the overall number of recipents... instead if the threshold is higher put an additional check by a second user or reduce the number of sent messages per minute, so they are processed much slower... this can actually achive the result more efficiently. Also, I don't understand why there is no clear warning or information, it all appearead as sent considering certain aspects (queue and final message in the interface).--Alexmar983 (talk) 21:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's related to the delivery problems you experienced, but I see in the logs for one of your December 2019 delivery that your list had a few non-existing usernames. Target lists need continuous maintenance (one more reason I agree it's better if they don't need to be split by arbitrary criteria). Nemo 08:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Best practices for a MassMessage distributed to all wikis

The 2030 Movement Brand project is organizing a call for feedback on naming convention proposals (see Preparing for feedback on the naming convention proposals). After months of work and discussions, it will be the first time when actual proposals for naming conventions will be presented by the team. Even if this project is working on a brand system for Wikimedia organizations (affiliates and the Foundation), there have been enough signs showing that this is a topic interesting to individual contributors across the board. The team strives to get feedback from as many contributors as possible, from as many projects as possible. MassMessage is a tool that can help achieving this goal.

Now, we are well aware of the difficult balance between informing and spamming when using MassMessage... massively. We want to do things right.

The call for feedback runs between May 7 and May 21. The plan is to publish the (short) announcement for translation on Monday May 4 latest. Ideally the message would be distributed on May 7 right after the presentation, but we can wait for i.e. better coverage of translations. We could also organize a distribution by phases instead of messaging all channels at once. Again, whatever is considered the best practice for this situation. Any thoughts? Qgil-WMF (talk) 10:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

When you say "all wikis", how many targets do you have in mind? Gradual distribution is certainly an option.

Before sending the notification to many people you generally want to make sure that it's up to task for whatever purpose it has, that the targets match the expected audience and that the languages are appropriate.

Given there is already an ongoing RfC, it's advisable to make sure that there's consensus on the format of this new discussion will be. If you send thousands of notifications and the text is found to be biased, or otherwise deficient, you might then be forced to expensive corrections. Nemo 15:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

By how many targets you mean number of people? We want to have at the very least 1000 survey participants, and 4000 would be a successful number. However, we would like to have participation from a wide variety of projects and languages, and this is why we are looking for ways to go beyond e.g. the big Wikipedias.

We will share the announcement here in Meta by Monday latest. Translations will be sourced with our own resources and then requesting help from affiliates and any translators willing to contribute to their languages. Messaging communities one language at a time would help proceeding with a gradual distribution, based on the availability of translations. Qgil-WMF (talk) 08:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

After considering this feedback, the comments from TomDotGov and further advice from community relations colleagues, we have decided not to use MassMessage for this campaign. Too redundant with simultaneous promotion efforts and too intrusive for being such a wide call. Thank you for your feedback. Qgil-WMF (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Tengo una duda con este servicio, ¿cómo puedo anular la suscripción de envío de este tipo de mensajes?

Buenas tardes, tengo una pregunta, me han enviado un mensaje de este tipo a mi página de discusión de Wikipedia, ¿cómo puedo anular mi suscripción de envío de este tipo de mensajes? Yo las considero como spam, saludos, --Rodney Araujo (talk) 15:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

MassMessage delivery mechanicalism should be processed after the Language Selection function

This would been seen for quite a while already. If a MassMessage have multiple language, the Language Select function should be processed before storing onto a Wiki page in order to prevent the trigger by the Abuse Filter in local wiki. Please see the task in Phabricator. Shinjiman (talk) 02:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Small problem

Hello! Today the MediaWiki message delivery in the Portuguese Wikipedia sent me a message on the Translation of the Week suggesting to translate an article that already existed on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 09:48, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@Erick Soares3: This page is just about the software that is used to deliver messages, not about the contents themselves.

At the bottom of each message is a hidden-comment (visible in editing mode, and your linked-diff) which explains who sent each message. It is best to contact those people if you have a question about a message you received. In this case, User:Shizhao, who you can contact at their usertalkpage, or at the talkpage of Translation of the week itself. I hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Message sent twice

Hello! One of my subscribers from our MassMessage list reported to received the message twice. According to this log I only sent it once. It would be helpful to know if the error that happened occurred on my end so I can refrain from doing it again in the future. I am just new in using this tool. I hope you can give me some clarity on this matter. Thank you for your understanding.-- IBrazal (WMF) (talk) 14:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@IBrazal (WMF) Hi, I believe this is the bug tracked at phab:T270873 which happens erratically, and with unknown causes. I would guess that it's something to do with 'caching' (the root of many problems!). Sorry for the very late response. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Update lij.wiki link

Salûi! Someone could please switch the MassMessage target page in lij.wiki from Portale comunità to Community portal (comunicaçioìn in ingléize)? Actually the first page is a redirect to the second one and, since it's written in an other language, it will be soon deleted; thanks and best regards! --N.Longo (talk) 12:20, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@N.Longo Hi! There are a lot of different "target lists". I've updated one that was most recently used. (Note: You can see the originating "target list" by looking at any post in edit-mode - the URL that the bot used is always given within a hidden comment at the end of each message). I've also updated [13] and [14].

Here is a meta-search for more "target lists" that include the old name, although many of those were temporary lists that won't be used again. I'd suggest you might want to update the top 10 in those results? (it's sorted by "most recently edited"). Hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): Thanks a lot, imho it's enough if only the active lists are updated since, other than being the most frequently used, (please correct me if I'm wrong) new temporary lists are based on those you've already fixed. Anyway, I'll report if there are any problems, ancón gràçie, scignorîa! --N.Longo (talk) 11:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Please reformat message to ja.wikipedia.org

On ja.wikipedia.org, messages from "MediaWiki message delivery" are post to ja:Project:お知らせ/ウィキメディア共通, and messages are included on ja:Project:お知らせ（discussion:ja:Wikipedia‐ノート:お知らせ#財団さんからのお知らせと日本語版内部のお知らせを分けませんか）. So, please change message's header from h2 tag（== xxx ==） to h3 tag（=== xxx ===）, and post on section "ja:Project:お知らせ/ウィキメディア共通#ウィキメディア共通のお知らせ" . --Miraburu (talk) 04:24, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Miraburu. Unfortunately, it is not possible to change the default Heading-level (h2->h3).

MassMessage senders just use the interface shown here File:Screenshot of MassMessage MediaWiki extension.png. It simply adds a new section to the bottom of whichever page is specified in the Distribution list that was used (per your listing).

You could file a Feature Request for this in the Phabricator workboard (phab:tag/massmessage/), or contribute a patch. However, I would guess (I am not a developer) that it would be technically complicated to make a new setting that only applies to specific pages, so that would make it more difficult, and thus unlikely to be implemented soon.

I hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Quiddity. Thank you for advise. I will discuss format to display the message some more at the ja.wikipedia.org. Miraburu (talk) 00:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)