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Swap Knyaz for Magellan expedition

Is it so significant how the heads of feuds were called among the Slavic peoples that there would be a separate article about this word in every Wikipedia? I suggest adding an article about an extremely important historical event, the first circumnavigation in history, instead of it. Reprarina (talk) 06:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree. The first circumnaviation is a crucial event in history. It should be noted that Magellan didn't want to circunmavigate the globe, it was Elcano who made it. Theklan (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Done--Reprarina (talk) 18:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Guangdong, Remove Florida

Having no Asian country subdivisions results in severe bias against the continent with 60% of the world population. Florida was irrelevant to the U.S. prior to the latter half of the 20th century. OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment I support removing Florida, but why specifically Guangdong? -Theklan (talk) 08:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

If we go by economically important and culturally distinct subregion with imporant states, Guandong is a good candidate, as Cantonese culture is the most influential among Chinese regional cultures, Cantonese the only somewhat standardised and wirtten Chineses language besides Mandarin. Flaverius (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

 Strong support A region in which tens of millions of people speak Yue Chinese, which is significantly different (about as different as Indo-European languages are from each other) from Mandarin Chinese, can, at least by linguistic criterion, be considered a big region with a separate culture.--Reprarina (talk) 11:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 07:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Done Reprarina (talk) 14:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Swap Oliver Stone for Yasujiro Ozu

Two films by Yasujiro Ozu, Tokyo Story and Late Spring are included in the BFI 2022 list. The 2012 version had them as well. Not a single Oliver Stone film is included on this list.

The IMDb Top 250 doesn't straighten things out in Stone's favor - only one film (Platoon) is included on the list, which is far fewer than other American directors on the list.

In my opinion, Oliver Stone is one of the most striking candidates for removal in order to eliminate American-centrism in the list of film figures.--Reprarina (talk) 13:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support --Thi (talk) 15:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 07:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Done Reprarina (talk) 14:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Replace King Lear with Codex Dresdensis

The literature sections currently contains 6 works of Shakespeare. While Shakespeare is one of the most influential wirter globally, six of his works are too much anglocentrism for a global list in my opionion. Thats why I propose to swap King Lear with Codex Dresdensis. Amoung the six works listed King Lear (or Othello) are the least known. If you ask a random stranger, they will probably know Romeo and Juiliet, A Midsummer Nights Dream, maybe MacBeth and Hamlet, but probably not King Lear and Othello.

The Codex Dresdensis is most important of the four surviving Maya codeces and the most important piece of non-fiction for Mesoamerica, that is curently not presented at all in the list. Flaverius (talk) 07:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose I agree that so much Shakespeare is part of the Anglocentric bias on the list, but the Codex Dresdensis seems too niche to me. It is also worth considering the inclusion of the Maya codices as a whole (in the Russian Wikipedia, this article was raised to Featured status and was chosen as the 2015 article of the Russian Wikipedia in the “History of the Book” category). Also, perhaps, Genocide of indigenous peoples can be an important article for the representation of the indigenous topic. Reprarina (talk) 08:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks happy about any input. I wasnt sure if a more general or specific article would be better. Indigenous genocide would be another category. I would like to keep the change within the field of literature. But in the history section "indigenous genocide" could be good swap, may be for something like "History of "Country"". Flaverius (talk) 08:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

By the way, King Lear is included in Bokklubben World Library list, unlike Macbeth, Romeo and Juluet and A Midsummer Night's Dream. I'm not at all sure that this is the Shakesperian play that should be excluded. Reprarina (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Cooperative, remove Kolkhoz

The problem with finding Kolkhoz on this list is that its specific (Soviet and near-Soviet) features may already be included in Collectivization article. At the same time, kolkhozes are far from the only collective farms in the world.

In addition, the absence in the list of the general concept of an enterprise based on public non-state ownership of the means of production. This creates a bit of a hole in the list because the topic as a whole is not represented on the list. This is the main reason for my proposal.

I would like to note that the Cooperative is ahead of the Kolkhoz in the number of language sections. Cooperative has 71, and Kolkhoz has 63.--Reprarina (talk) 12:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support From an editor's perspecitve in a small wikipedia this proposal really makes sense. In the Low Saxon Wikipedia there is an article about "Landwirtschaftliche Produktionsgenossenschaften", the GDR-equivalent of Kolchozes. But it wouldnt make sense for our wiki to write an article about every country specific type of cooperative agricultures and industries. A broader article like "Cooperative" could have redirects and anchors to all different kind of spefic cooperative subtypes. Flaverius (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Thi (talk) 10:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Done Reprarina (talk) 10:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove Alaska, Add New York

Opening up a discussion here since New York is an important and diverse state from NYC to Upstate to Long Island, it has an important and long history compared to Alaska's. Interstellarity (talk) 23:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose New York State is important because of New York City.

From my experience quite a good amount of articles about species, geology and languages link to Alaska within in a wiki. New York State is not that important on a global scale. I Support removing one American state and swap it for a Region Like Guandong as proposed above. But Alaska is an US-state l, that should stay in my opinion. Flaverius (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose same reasons than Flaverius -- Cataleirxs (talk) 09:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose --Toku (talk) 12:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Remove Al Gore, Add John C. Calhoun

We should try to minimize modern politicians and focus on historical American politicians. Calhoun is a major defender of slavery. Interstellarity (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment I support removing Al Gore, but I wouldn't add another American. I would proose someone like Ramon Llull (Q193660), pioneer of encyclopedism, if it has to be someone who is not alive. For alive peope, I would suggest Rigoberta Menchú (Q188620), as we don't have any woman from Central America, and she is (also) a Nobel Prize winner. -Theklan (talk) 07:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment @Theklan: Those were solid arguments for including Rigoberta Menchú. What do you think about replacing James K. Polk (Q11891) with her? He's the less known US president on the list + we have too many men and too much US things here -- Cataleirxs (talk) 12:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I would support it. Who is James K. Polk? Theklan (talk) 13:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

James K. Polk is definitely not a famous president of the US, at least outside the US. Reprarina (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment I propose Mansa Musa [1]. Reprarina (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Amaterasu, remove Elektra

Too much Greek mythology on the list, and Elektra is the outsider in the number of language sections among the characters of Greek mythology. Meanwhile, the Shinto goddess Amaterasu is significantly ahead of Elektra in the number of language sections. I would also like to point out that Shinto was recently included in the general list of articles, and I believe that the expanded list should also take into account the significance of Shinto.--07:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support -Theklan (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Done--Reprarina (talk) 13:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Classical liberalism, remove Bicameralism

Liberalism is not sufficiently represented in the list of ideologies; even its classical direction is missing. Regarding bicameralism, I have a strong suspicion that this is still a less important concept, and besides, it is difficult to write a generalizing quality article about it, since different countries have different bicameral parliaments that arose for different reasons, so the article will turn out to be of a list type.--Reprarina (talk) 09:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support Theklan (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Done Reprarina (talk) 14:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Antisemitism, remove Fürer

As in the case of knyaz, here perhaps even to an even greater extent, it seems to me, the title takes away space from something clearly more important. Antisemitism is a serious phenomenon with a long history and a huge amount of academic work on the subject. Fürer was just a title of one antisemite.--Reprarina (talk) 04:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support --Thi (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
•  Support -Theklan (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Done Reprarina (talk) 14:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Neuron, remove Neurosis

Neurosis is an outdated concept in psychiatry; a neuron is one of the most important types of cells. Although biology is not exactly medicine, the topics in this case are quite related - psychiatry relies heavily on the study of neurons, and it is impossible to fully represent it in the list without the presence of neurons in the list.--Reprarina (talk) 14:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not against removing Neurosis, but we already have nervous system, nerve and brain, so neuron wouldn't be excesively related? Theklan (talk) 07:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

It wouldn't be. In the circulatory system we have both red blood cell and white blood cell. I don't think that the cells of the nervous system, especially neurons, are not as important as red blood cells and white blood cells. Of course, the number of articles in the nervous system is large, but this may be due to the fact that it is very complex and is divided in turn into several systems. But this only proves that its main cell type is especially important. Reprarina (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Pontius Pilate, remove Charles Spurgeon

Pontius Pilate is incomparably more globally significant, while Charles Spurgeon's significance is much more local and known primarily by Baptists.

Yes, Pontius Pilate is notorious. However, this notoriety does not negate his colossal level of significance. Pontius Pilate became the hero of a huge number of literary works. He has been very often depicted in fine art since the Middle Ages. According to English Wikipedia: Pilate plays a major role in the medieval passion play. He is frequently depicted as a more important character to the narrative than even Jesus.[Hourihane, Colum (2009). Pontius Pilate, Anti-Semitism, and the Passion in Medieval Art.] His personality attracts the attention of theologians and religious scholars.

Moreover, among the notorious characters, he is even somewhat ahead of Judas Iscariot and significantly ahead of Herod the Great and Herod Antipas in terms of the number of language sections. By the way, his "notoriety" is not so unambiguous - for example, in the Ethiopian and Coptic churches, Pilate is not considered a negative character. Thus, Pilate is a very important figure even in the question of the differences between different branches of Christianity in his interpretation.--Reprarina (talk) 02:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support - Way more relevant. Theklan (talk) 16:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Not sure about adding another Christianity topic -- Cataleirxs (talk) 10:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Both themes are Christian, but Pontius Pilate is more basic. I think the most basic Christian themes should be on the list. Reprarina (talk) 13:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Mansa Musa, remove Al Gore

There was a suggestion to exclude Al Gore as too modern. I support it, but I suggest Mansa Musa instead. The reason: it is illogical that we have the Mali Empire in the general list, but its most famous ruler is not in the extended list.--Reprarina (talk) 03:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you add the suggestion to the previous discussion, so we discuss Al Gore only once? Theklan (talk) 16:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Toku (talk) 12:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Thi (talk) 14:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Support -- Cataleirxs (talk) 10:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Saudi Aramco, remove Petrobras

The list of companies for this list was generally compiled in 2011, when Petrobras was at its peak and when Saudi Aramco was "only" a world's most valuable non-publicly listed company. Today, Saudi Aramco is the third largest publicly-listed company in the world and the largest publicly-listed oil company in the world. Petrobras fell far, far down in the Forbes list.--Reprarina (talk) 03:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose Petrobras is a key player in South America, there are no more Latam companies on the list. The company is a pioneer in deep-water and pre-salt oil exploration and an example of a public-private enterprise. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 09:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose --Toku (talk) 12:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Cai Lun, remove Pappus of Alexandria

The list of ancient scientists is unjustifiably Hellenocentric, despite China's colossal contribution to ancient science. I propose excluding the outsider in terms of the number of language sections among the Greek scientists (50), Pappus of Alexandria, and adding the Chinese inventor of cellulose-containing paper, who have significantly more language sections (68).--Reprarina (talk) 23:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Theklan (talk) 10:16, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Value (economics), remove Moral hazard

The concept of value in economics is considered more fundamental, as it forms the basis for understanding how people assign worth to goods and services based on their utility or usefulness. Moral hazard, on the other hand, is a specific economic term that refers to the phenomenon where individuals or entities may take greater risks if they are shielded from their potential consequences, such as when insurance policies protect individuals from the full consequences of their actions, leading to increased riskier behavior. So, value is a more fundamental concept in economics.--Reprarina (talk) 00:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Theklan (talk) 07:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Cataleirxs (talk) 12:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Toku (talk) 12:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Add December, remove November

The list of months is quite inconsistent: we have five, wich are January, March, June, September and November. Three of them are relevant for being time for season change, and January seems relevant for being the first month of the year. However, November is not one thing or the other, while December is not only the last one, is also a month for season change and, at the same time, full of celebrations in many places in the world. Theklan (talk) 07:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Cataleirxs (talk) 09:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Algovia (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Anna Politkovskaya, remove John Stossel

The Anglocentrism of the journalists' list has crossed all imaginable limits. Of the 24 figures on the list, 20 are Americans.

Anna Politkovskaya has 77 language sections, John Stossel has 29. Politkovskaya is a much more globally famous journalist than Stossel.--Reprarina (talk) 09:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Theklan (talk) 17:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Algovia (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Thi (talk) 14:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Lesya Ukrainka, remove William Carlos Williams

Lesya Ukrainka is one of the most important poets in Ukrainian history. William Carlos Williams' fame is more local. Lesya Ukrainka has 76 language sections, William Carlos Williams has 48. I think this is another case of Americentrism on the list.--Reprarina (talk) 00:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Also a non Western European, and a female! Theklan (talk) 13:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Cataleirxs (talk) 10:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Raspberry, remove Blackberry (fruits)

Raspberry is significantly ahead of blackberry in the number of language sections. It is especially strange that there are two Blackberry articles in the list, one about the subgenus, the other about its fruit, although even in the English Wikipedia they made one article about blackberry. I have big doubts about both Blackberry articles. In the case of fruit, I think raspberry is much more important.--Reprarina (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

For me raspberries are more popular and known, but I don't know if this is something global. Theklan (talk) 13:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Rubus, remove Rubus subg. Rubus

As for the botanical section, it seems to me that it is much more relevant to add a genus of similar plants (blackberry, raspberry) than one subgenus of blackberry.--Reprarina (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

This or the one above, please choose one to discuss. Theklan (talk) 14:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I think both blackberry articles, Q13179 and Q13180, should be excluded for Q19842373 and Q602740, respectively. The raspberry fruit is more suitable for the list than the blackberry fruit, and the genus Rubus is more suitable for the list than the subgenus blackberry. Reprarina (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC) P.S. I renamed the second category according to the title of the Wikidata article to make it clearer.--Reprarina (talk) 01:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support Theklan (talk) 13:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Producers

Samuel Goldwyn (the US) — 43 language sections

Carlo Ponti (Italy) — 47 langauge sections

David O. Selznick (the US) — 48 language sections

Irving Thalberg (the US) — 41 language sections

Hal B. Wallis (the US) — 35 language sections

Darryl F. Zanuck (the US) — 41 language sections

I'm not saying that a low number of language sections is a clear indication that a person shouldn't be on the list. In principle, I do not deny that Hollywood dominates the world film business, and some Americentrism in the list is natural. But are these people count among the 1943 most important people in human history? I am not sure at all.

By the way, I don’t even know how many articles should be devoted to cinematography, but I think it should be less than other arts, if only because it has existed for a much shorter time.

Therefore, I admit that these people can be exchanged not even for filmmakers, but for someone else, for example, on writers or artists. Reprarina (talk) 01:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Leonid Gaidai, remove Hal B. Wallis

Leonid Gaidai is perhaps a little less important than Eisenstein, Tarkovsky or Mikhalkov (I highly doubt the latter), but his contribution to Soviet film comedy is fundamental. I'm not sure Hal B. Wallis is more relevant for the list, I think he represents an Americentric bias: there are too many American filmmakers on the list, including some who are much more interesting to humanity. Gaidai has 57 langauge section versus Wallis has 35. Wallis has even fewer language sections than other producers on the list.--Reprarina (talk) 01:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Algovia (talk) 20:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Circle dance, remove Jitterbug

Jitterbug seems a subkind of en:swing (already on the list) only relevant to the US and in the 1930s and 1940s. While not completely meritless, the Circle_dance seems quite a better option: it is widespread in many places in the world, gives links to specific dances in other places and has a great story behind. Theklan (talk) 13:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support same than Theklan, and it will reduce list's US bias -- Cataleirxs (talk) 09:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Match, remove Kitchenware

In general, I am for prioritizing the general over the specific, but in some cases there are terms that mean very general things, not always even having exact equivalents in different languages. Kitchenware does not have many language sections, and even the English Wikipedia has only a list-draft article on this subject. People write about matches in different languages much more willingly; it is a much more concrete concept. I think kitchenware is largely included in the kitchen article (it's unlikely that it will be mainly about the location, and not about the devices in it). Also, luckily, there are cutlery and plate on the list.--Reprarina (talk) 07:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support We have been discussing in our Wikipedia about Kitchenware and kitchen utensil (Q3773693), which are virtually the same thing. I agree in the option, match is a good choice.

Theklan (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Toku (talk) 12:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Hip hop culture or Hip hop dance?

For some unknown reason the article Hip hop culture placed in the Dance section, although a more relevant link for this section would be Hip hop dance. I don't know how this happened. The situation should be corrected in one of two ways - either change the link in the section, or move the article to another section. Hip-hop culture is a broader concept, but I do not know whether should be singled out relative to other cultures not included in the list. Reprarina (talk) 00:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Doris Lessing, remove Olaf Stapledon

Yes, Doris Lessing is from a much younger generation than Olaf Stapledon, but the gap in language sections in her favor is impressive. Olaf Stapledon has only 41, which is very small amount for a writer on this list. Doris Lessing has 107.--Reprarina (talk) 00:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support because adding a woman is really important. Theklan (talk) 20:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose Stapledon was a pioneer of science fiction (notably by imagining transhumanism before the word was invented). Lessing is a great writer, but I haven't found the equivalent. As for "adding a woman is important", if I remember correctly, I believe that Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, not an encyclopedia dedicated to women. --Algovia (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Doris Lessing has a Nobel in Literature. I would understand your argument about "an encyclopedia dedicated to women" if we didn't have less than 10% of the proposals in the list about women. Theklan (talk) 20:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Stapledon was a pioneer of science fiction It seems to me that this is an Anglo-centric view. Yevgeny Zamyatin wrote earlier and has more language sections. He is much more internationally famous. Last and First Men has 12 language sections, We has 37. We had been written before Last and First Men. So, Zamyatin is a much greater pioneer. However, he is not on the list. And I doubt that he should be. I believe Doris Lessing is simply more relevant for the list. Reprarina (talk) 00:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

By the Way, Doris Lessing's The Golden Notebook is included in Bokklubben World Library list. None of Olaf Stapledon's works is. Reprarina (talk) 08:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Camelia (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose --Toku (talk) 12:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Patna, remove Las Vegas

Patna (historically Pataliputra) was the capital of northern India during both periods that claim the title of "golden age" - the Mauryan Empire and the Gupta Empire. Also, I think that Patna should be on the list and not Pataliputra, for the same reason that Istanbul is on the list and Constantinople is not, and that Luoyang is on the list and Chang'an is not. Usually, in a situation where a city with a great past has changed its name, we include the city under its current name. However, even apart from the great past: Patna is the capital of Bihar, Las Vegas is the capital of Nevada. Bihar is many times more populated than Nevada, and Patna is several times more populated than Las Vegas.--Reprarina (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment I support adding Patna, but I would suggest Miami. Las Vegas is more relevant in media, and as a world center of casinos and entertainment, while Miami is small and not so relevant. However, not Miami nor Las Vegas are the capital cities of their states (Carson City and Tallahassee are the capital cities). Theklan (talk) 11:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps your offer is better. I will exchange Miami for Patna if there are no further objections. Reprarina (talk) 11:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose Oppose the removal of Las Vegas, but  Support the removal of Miami. --Algovia (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Toku (talk) 12:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Female genital mutilation, remove Comparative religion

What male circumcision and female genital mutilation have in common is that both are culturally significant and religiously related topics. So I am in favor of both being on the list. However, female genital mutilation has far more serious negative health consequences, often literally involves clitorectomy, is still widespread, and is widely seen as an important social issue. As for Comparative religion, this academic discipline seems to me to be a rather niche discipline, suitable for a wider list (50,000 articles, for example), and is at least partially covered by the article Religion studies. In this regard, I propose to remove comparative religion and add female genital mutilation.--Reprarina (talk) 21:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose Comparative religion is the field of study that analyzes differences in interpretation of themes and ideas common to religions. This seems important. Also, what does this have to do with genital mutilation? --Algovia (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose I'm not against "female genital mutilation" being in the list, but it would fit better in the health section. Comparative religion is still an interesting topic, as it introduces many concepts. Theklan (talk) 17:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose --Toku (talk) 12:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Add BTS, remove Ozzy Osbourne

The Korean group BTS is one of the most relevants pop groups in the world, and the most active K-Pop group. Ozzy Osbourne may be relevant, but there's already Black Sabbath in the list, which covers Ozzy Osbourne. Theklan (talk) 11:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose I agree with the idea of replacing Ozzy Osbourne, but BTS is too recent, and lacks the historical background necessary to be included on the list. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 12:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose BTS is a too recent pop group. I think the list should include things whose importance has stood the test of time. By the way, the list doesn't even include K-pop as a whole. BTS' inclusion on the list is, in any case, premature. Reprarina (talk) 12:30, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Add A cappella, remove Rapping

The list includes Hip hop music and Rapping, which are closely related concepts. Within the same category, there are already three (male American) hip hop musicians and also B-boying. I propose swapping "Rapping" for A cappella, a concept that is both historical and contemporary and not tied to any specific culture. This change would also help reduce the UScentric bias. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support Theklan (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Rigoberta Menchú (Q188620), remove James K. Polk (Q11891)

We don't have any woman from Central America, and Menchú is also a Nobel Prize winner. Polk is the less known US president on the list, we have too many men and too much US subjects on the list. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 14:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support Reprarina (talk) 14:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose Polk declared war on Mexico, annexed many territories and transformed the United States into a world power; Menchu ​​opposed a dictatorship in Guatemala (not even a regional power), helped refugees and won 3% in a presidential election. --Algovia (talk) 20:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

"won 3% in a presidential election" Not a relevant argument. We are talking about a person who wrote her name into history by drawing attention to genocide and achieving recognition of the rights of indigenous peoples at the UN level, despite opposition from the most economically powerful country.. This is an event of historic proportions. And there are too many US politicians on the list, as well as US citizens in general. Reprarina (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

If the historical events are relevant, then we have "Mexican–American War" and "New Imperialism" in the list, which cover that era. Menchú is a Nobel Laureate, and it would be the only woman from Central America in the list, and one of the few American indigenous person at all. Theklan (talk) 06:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Camelia (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose --Toku (talk) 12:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Add late modern period (Q6495391), remove modern period (Q3281534) (and mantain early modern period (Q5308718))

Currently, modern period (Q3281534) spans from 1500 to the present, overlapping significantly with early modern period (Q5308718) (1500–1800) and late modern period (Q6495391) (1800–present). By retaining "early" and "late" modern era, we preserve the full historical timeline while avoiding unnecessary duplication. This change ensures the list remains focused, balanced, and provides readers with two specialized, complementary perspectives instead of a generalist repetition. Thanks -- Cataleirxs (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Support Not only that: in many places Modern means 1500s-1789, and the next one would be named Contemporary Era. English seems to have early and late for the same concept, which makes more sense. Theklan (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Holocaust denial, remove Austrian Holocaust Memorial Service

Holocaust denial is an international issue, and there is a lot of academic literature on this phenomenon in a variety of countries. Austrian Holocaust Memorial Service is just an Austrian national organization. This is too much of an Austrian national topic to be on the interlingual list. Reprarina (talk) 17:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support

1.  Support per nominator. Armenian genocide denial would be a good adittion as well. The Blue Rider 02:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1.  Oppose ok to remove Austrian Holocaust Memorial (per Reparina), but we have Holocaust and we've just added Antisemitism -which is a wider topic than Holocaust denial-. So, I'd prefer to find another concept to add to the list. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 10:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Add Alternative civilian service, remove Austrian Service Abroad

And in this case, it seems to me that an article about a phenomenon as a whole seems to me more significant than about one national organization associated with it in particular. I think the list should have one article about alternative civilian service in the world, and not two articles about two Austrian alternative civilian service organizations. Alternative civilian service is an important topic for all countries that maintain conscription, not just Austria.--Reprarina (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support

1.  Support removal of Austrian Service Abroad per nominator. The Blue Rider 02:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1.  Oppose addition of alternative civilian service since it is a subtopic of civilian service and thus too niche. The Blue Rider 02:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Add Muqaddimah, remove A Midsummer Night's Dream

There are a lot of Shakespeare's plays on the list. And while King Lear, Othello and Hamlet are included in the Bokklubben World Library list, the same cannot be said about A Midsummer Night's Dream.

There are practically no works written by Muslims on the list. I counted three - the Quran, Shahnameh and One Thousand and One Nights. I apologize if I missed anything.

I believe that the list seriously underestimates Muslim topics. Moreover, as the percentage of Muslims in the world grows, it is likely that the relative encyclopedic importance of Muslim topics will not decrease, but will only increase.

There are no books on economics on the list. Meanwhile, it was Muqaddimah that anticipated what would later be written in The Wealth of Nations, Das Kapital and The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money. Much of what seemed to be the original ideas of Western economists turned out to be the ideas of Ibn Khaldun after Westerners became acquainted with Muqaddimah. Therefore, in my opinion, this book fully deserves to be on the list.--Reprarina (talk) 06:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

•  Support -- Cataleirxs (talk) 10:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Swap Hawaiian Islands for Hawaii

We should list the state itself rather than list the archipelago. It would be like if we listed the British Isles over the UK or the Indian subcontinent over India. The state covers the history while the archipelago covers the geography of the article.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The proposal is more than questionable. Physical geography is one sector, political geography is another. Adding American topics, like another US state, is extremely unwise, on the contrary, we should try to reduce the Americanism in the list. In addition, Midway Atoll is part of an archipelago but not a part of the state.--Reprarina (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

Add Lesson, remove E-learning

The list should focus on basic concepts rather than trying to cover a wide variety of learning types. Reprarina (talk) 00:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

 Support --Toku (talk) 20:25, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

 Support -Theklan (talk) 10:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Aisha, remove Menno Simons

Aisha, in whose arms the Prophet Muhammad died, is a much more internationally famous religious figure than Menno Simons and is probably known not only to Muslims. She has several times more language sections.--Reprarina (talk) 14:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Add Bibliography, remove New York Public Library

There is absolutely no reason to give the United States the privilege of having 2 libraries on the list. The Library of Congress is quite sufficient.

I propose to replace New York Public Library with bibliography, since this is one of the most important concepts of library and information activities.--Reprarina (talk) 23:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)