Talk:List of articles every Wikipedia should have/Expanded/Archives/2010

Actually doing this

It was mentioned a while ago that we should cut the cruft and then add more to get this to 10,000. I may actually do some work on that, inf anyone cares Purplebackpack89 04:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Purplebackpack89's changes

I have added many articles to this, and cleaned up some sections

Biographies--Political Leaders

The political leaders section had some leaders who were current when the list was started, such as Tony Blair and George W. Bush, that are not current. I removed them, and created a sub-section for current political leaders, as many Wikipedias have a section or provision for such. The way I worded it allows for 12 current political leaders:

1.-8.: The heads of government of the G8 nations (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, U.K., U.S.)
9. The leader of China
10. The leader of India
11. The U.N. Secretary General
12. The Pope

Obviously, when the heads of government change (as just happened in the U.K. and Japan), the people on the list will change

Mountains

For starters, the mountain range section wasn't numbered correctly...there were some lines that had two entries instead of one (actually, there are a lot of places where this occurs; this project is slop city). That yields two mountain ranges. I also tried to resolve the bias towards American and European mountains that are talked about in (American and European) literature and history, and against taller mountains in other places. I replaced Pikes Peak with Mount Whitney, which is much taller. I added the four of the Seven Summits that weren't already there (Aconcagua, Elbrus, Kosciusko and Vinson). And I added the very tall also-rans K2 and Mount Logan.

Cities

I extended the cities list from 60 to 100, adding some of the cities that were on the 1,000 list but didn't make it here; and many other cities besides. I tried to ameliorate the Western (Europe) bias; the only European cities I added that weren't on the 1000 were Dublin, Geneva and Prague. The only cities that were on this list that I axed were Vatican City (already in the countries list below); Monte Carlo (replaced with Nice) and Las Vegas (replaced with Honolulu). Here's some statistical breakdowns on the list of 100:

• U.S.:7 (one non-Contintal)
• Rest of North America: 5
• South America: 6
• Europe: 29
• Africa: 12
• Middle East (inc. 'Stans): 11
• South and East Asia (inc. Indonesia, Phillippines): 27
• Oceania: 3

Comparare with the % each continent has of the world's population

• North America (inc. all of the United States): 8.7 (slight overrepresentation)
• South America: 5.8 (wash)
• Europe: 10.8 (very overrepresentated)
• Africa: 14.2 (slight underrepresentation)
• Asia (inc. Middle East): 60.4 (very underrepresented)
• Oceania: 0.5 (very overrepresentated; but small sample size)

Half of the cities are in countries that have multiple cities on the list; the following countries have more than one city on the list of 100 (subscript number is rank in world population)

• United States-7 (Chicago, Honolulu, Houston, Los Angeles, New York, Philadelphia, Washington) ₃
• China-5 (Beijing, Chongqing, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Wuhan) ₁
• India-5 (Bangalore, Calcutta, Hyderabad, Mumbai, New Delhi) ₂
• Germany-3 (Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich) ₁₄
• Italy-3 (Florence, Rome, Venice) ₂₃
• Japan-3 (Kyoto, Osaka, Tokyo) ₁₀
• Australia-2 (Melbourne, Sydney) ₅₁
• Brazil-2 (Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paolo) ₅
• France-2 (Nice, Paris) ₂₀
• Indonesia-2 (Jakarta, Surabaya) ₄
• Mexico-2 (Guadalajara, Mexico City) ₁₁
• Pakistan-2 (Islamabad, Karachi) ₆
• Russia-2 (Moscow, St. Petersburg) ₉
• Saudi Arabia-2 (Mecca, Riyadh) ₄₆
• South Africa-2 (Cape Town, Johannesburg) ₂₆
• Spain-2 (Barcelona, Madrid) ₂₇
• United Kingdom-2 (Edinburgh, London) ₂₂
• Vietnam-2 (Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City) ₁₃

The following 42 non-capital cities were included on the list (italic indicates former capital)

Abidjan, Almaty, Auckland, Bangalore, Barcelona, Casablanca, Calcutta, Chicago, Chongqing, Dubai, Edinburgh, Florence, Frankfurt, Geneva, Guadalajara, Ho Chi Minh City, Hong Kong, Honolulu, Houston, Hyderabad, Istanbul, Johannesburg, Karachi, Kyoto, Lagos, Los Angeles, Mecca, Melbourne, Mumbai, Munich, New York City, Nice, Osaka, Philadelphia, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paolo, Surabaya, Sydney, Toronto, Venice, Wuhan

Purplebackpack89 17:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that the list of the 10 000 articles should include approximately 300 cities. What do you think about my variant (en:Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Geography)? Also, I think we should have a list of 3,000 articles, which should include approximately 100 cities. --Igrek 06:05, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

To Igrek: Interesting list, but it needs a little work on Asia outside of China and India (I may help you a little with that). The strength is that it is representative of countries by population; perhaps the weakness is it's representative of most countries' populations, leading to many obscure cities making the list. This population constraint may have led to there being no Swiss city on the list (You could axe Vatican to get it on; the latter is already listed under countries and the former is adjacent to Nice). You might want to deviate a little from your population in the case of Oceania, so you can have a city from a country other than Australia on the list. Purplebackpack89 22:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Idea for more cities

Instead of just largest cities in present time... how about largest cities in the past? Ex. In 100AD Luoyang was the 2nd largest city in the world. In 1500AD Vijayanagar was the 2nd largest city in the world. [1] --MarsRover 09:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Wikipedias by sample of article (Expanded) for July 2010

I calculated the Expanded Score for the July 29, 2010 version of the list. Its interesting to see which articles are popular (and which aren't). Also, which articles are missing from popular wikis --MarsRover 06:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

So?

Hallo,

What can we do with this list or it is only for reading? As far as I understand we have here a list with 3751 articles and it should be expanded to 10 000. So, can we make some suggestions or can we directly add some new articles in the list? Can we also suggest some removal or can we directly remove articles? Is this a private list?--MrPanyGoff 12:35, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

So far this list is just for reading and as suggestions to other wikis. For now directly adding articles makes sense since we are below our limit of 10,000. I think you can remove articles too but you need to include a reason why in the comment. No, this list isn't "private". Feel free to edit it. -MarsRover 16:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Cities

I added 30 more cities, all of them are capitals. The list reached 130 articles. I think that, at least 80% of the capital cities should be added first (about 195). In my view the list with 10 000 most significant articles should include approximately 400 cities.--MrPanyGoff 18:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I extended the list with 20 more cities. Only one of my addition is not a capital - Glasgow.--MrPanyGoff 21:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, the list reached 200 cities. This time 4 capital cities out of 50 names added.--MrPanyGoff 00:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to make some updates to your list. It privileges capital cites and smaller European cities at the expense of much larger and important cities Purplebackpack89 21:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Musical groups

So far the musical groups are listed in the section People/Composers and musicians. This is a little bit confused. I think that they should be in some separated list in section Arts/Music/Musical groups. The articles about the musical bands are something different from the articles about musicians and they belong to the art section in the way the whole list is constructed. So in the part of the composers and musicians, only the most important individuals from the musical groups can be listed. What do you think about it?--MrPanyGoff 19:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Architecture/Specific structures and ensembles

I extended the list with „specific structures and ensembles“ in section Arts/Architecture. So far it contains 63 articles. In my view the list should reach 100 names, maybe 150.

Here's some statistics on the list of 63:

By regions

• Europe - 37
• Asia - 11
• North America (USA, Canada) - 5
• Africa - 4
• Latin America - 3
• Middle East - 2
• Australia & Oceania - 1

By period (generalized)

• ancient (before 1000) - 9
• old (1000-1899) - 41
• modern (1900-2010) - 13

Please, suggest some more significant buildings or architectural ensembles so that we can form the number 100 list.

--MrPanyGoff 22:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

As with the cities list, remember to keep a global perspective. 37 structures out of 100 or 150 is a little too many for Europe; Asia needs at least 35-40, and Africa at least 15 Purplebackpack89 22:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

As with the cities list, I never forget the global perspective though, in my view, some tendency toward proportional equalization that I see here is not a good idea. We are going to clarify the number of articles about Africa or whichever region is named. Instead of numbers, I would like to ask you to give some concrete names we to discuss. So, can you suggest just one more structure or ensemble in Africa? If yes give it. Anyway, I think that 15 for Africa and 30-40 for Asia (+ Middle East) is normal. Initially, this was the general idea of numbers.

Furthermore about the proportional equalization, I wonder what is going to happen when we start extending the painters' list. You know, this so small and "insignificant" Holland compared to huge Nigeria for instance... With no doubt 30 Nigerian artists to 1 painter from the Netherlands will be some good proportion, don't you think;)? --MrPanyGoff 12:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I added 9 more articles. All of them are about buildings in Asia and Africa. Now the list contains 72 names. --MrPanyGoff 14:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The list reached 90 articles. Statistic so far:

By regions

• Europe - 39
• Asia - 23 (8 in the Middle East)
• Africa - 11
• North America (USA, Canada) - 10
• Latin America - 6
• Australia & Oceania - 1

We need 10 more articles to reach the round number of 100. Still awaiting suggestions of buildings and ensembles mostly in Latin America, Asia and Africa.

--MrPanyGoff 21:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I added 4 Chinese sites. However, I guess China is still under-represented in this list. I will add more if you guys think it appropriate.

Split

I think this list should be split.Quangbao 06:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Music addition ideas

Musicians:

• Hector Berlioz - French composer
• Arnold Schoenberg - Austrian composer
• Béla Bartók - Hungarian composer
• Dmitri Shostakovich - Russian composer

Theatre:

• Peking opera - chinese theatre
• Kabuki - japanese theatre
• Wayang - indonesian shadow puppets

Music periods:

• Romantic music - Western music from 1828 (death of Schubert) to 1911 (death of Mahler)
• 20th-century classical music - Western music from 1912 (It's a Long Way to Tipperary, Memphis Blues, Pierrot Lunaire, Prokofiev's 1st & 2nd piano concertos, When Irish Eyes Are Smiling) to the present

-MarsRover 16:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Do it Purplebackpack89 06:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I already did it .. he he. The discussion page is a little too slow. I figure once we hit 10000 articles we can start debating. --MarsRover 06:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)