Talk:List of articles every Wikipedia should have/Expanded/Archives/2014

Listing criteria

I recently noticed under Society Educational Institutions that the entry for University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in this list has been substituted with Johns Hopkins on wiki. Was there criteria for adding these articles in the first place? Should the Johns Hopkins entry be challenged? Chris Troutman (talk) 06:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

The criteria for this list is as far as I know only being among the 10000 most important topics for Wikipedias in every language. The list at enwiki is for the 10000 most vital articles in the English language Wikipedia. The change you're writing about was preceded by discussions there. For this list at meta we unfortunately don't have so many contributors yet, so everyone who is interested in helping can freely make the changes they think are improvement. And I believe it has been that way since the list was created. Boivie (talk) 18:19, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Cemetery

In enwiki en:graveyard finally was merged with en:cemetery, so we can replace "graveyard" for something else and leave only "cemetery". ~Sunpriat (обс) 06:41, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I think this list should include the 10000 most important topics (wikidata items), not the 10000 most important articles at enwiki. So a change at enwiki should not automatically mean that a change is needed here. On the other hand we would probably not need both "graveyard" and "cemetery" in this list. Boivie (talk) 10:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, "graveyard" - the English word and not used in whole world; only 3 wikidata interwiki. If English native speakers can't divide this words to a separate article and consider them synonymous, than how can we write this article...~Sunpriat (talk) 21:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted graveyard from the list. Not because of what happened at en:wiki but because it was practically a double entry. --Santac (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Melekeok

In the list of cities, one of the articles is Melekeok, which is the name of a state in Palau. I guess this is in the list because the capital of Palau, Ngerulmud, is inside this state, but why isn't Ngerulmud itself found in the list? Mbkv717 (talk) 15:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry

Since I find the main page difficult to read (maybe a browser problem) I failed to note that the list is full (has reached 10000) when I added a few pages under People and Geography yesterday. I wouldn't want to exceed the aim. I will therefore suggest a few deletions to match. I mentioned those additions of mine on the sub-talkpages, but maybe it is now better to discuss changes on this page? I'm not sure :) Andrew Dalby (talk) 09:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm suggesting the following deletions under the heading "People". My impression is that in this area we need to reduce the emphasis on males, Anglo-Americans, Greece and Rome. So:

• en:Myron: not much to say about him, see English article
• en:Callicrates: even less to say about him, see English article
• en:William Shatner: a really nice guy, but surely not one of the hundred great actors. en:Star Trek remains
• en:W. S. Gilbert: his major work comes under en:Gilbert and Sullivan, which remains
• en:Martin Amis: just a novelist among others
• en:John Humphrys: radio journalist not significant beyond the UK

I'll suggest some under "Geography" later. Andrew Dalby (talk) 12:36, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Great that you're helping with improving this list! I don't think you need to suggest changes on talk pages before making them in the list. I think it's enough to discuss only if someone is reverting the changes. Boivie (talk) 05:36, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your reply, I am making those deletions now. I also took out en:Livius Andronicus. He would be important maybe if his work survived. Since his writings are lost, he is only known to specialists. If anyone disagrees I am happy to discuss. Andrew Dalby (talk) 17:25, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Under "Geography" I don't think our list has any Anglocentric bias, but I think that sometimes big things were included because they were big, rather than because they have great importance to humanity. So I am going to remove the following bodies-of-water that don't have any unusual cultural, historical or environmental importance (so far as can be judged from Wikipedia articles).

• en:Lake Khanka
• en:Koro Sea
• en:Kara Strait
• en:Makassar Strait
• en:Strait of Tartary

Again, please discuss if anyone thinks I'm wrong. Andrew Dalby (talk) 17:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

some more technology entries

I think the following should be added (but the quota of technology is full):

• ASCII
• Unicode
• maybe:
  • UTF-8
  • ISO 8859
  • ISO 8859-1
• Grace Hopper
• Enigma
• Bomba

--° (talk) 13:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd agree with Unicode, and an extended article on that will mention UTF-8, ISO 8859, and probably ASCII. I'd propose removing JavaScript, Ada, or "booting" (given that we have "operating system"). Actually, I'd propose replacing one of the minor languages (JavaScript, Ada, PHP, Python) with Algol for historical reasons; the Algol 60 Report is seminal and underlies a whole bunch of similar languages (like Ada etc, but also C, Pascal, Perl -- roughly, darn near everything except Fortran, COBOL, LISP, and APL). A. Mahoney (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Transportation section

I had been bold and replaced the long list of arbitrarily selected car manufacturers and models with more important topics in transportation. It was difficult to think of so many, so I also reduced the size of this section by 5, putting additional 5 topics in the section Space technology. Further improvements to my selection are of course welcome. — Yerpo ^Eh? 07:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

suggestions for articles that need to be added

I have the following suggestions for articles that need to be added:

1. Deutsches Museum: the world's largest museum of science and technology
2. Germanisches Nationalmuseum: one of the largest museum of cultural history on world, the biggest museum of cultural history in Central Europe
3. Carnival: global event with a long tradition
4. Stab-in-the-back myth: were Social Democrats and Jews to blame for the defeat in the First World War, helped the Nazis crucial to the rise
5. 20 July plot: is the most significant attempt to overthrow the military resistance during the Second World War

For multiple items from the "Museum" will be removed because there are too many with respect to the United States. Generally there are in the expanded list too many items with respect to the United States, too few with respect to other areas, even Europe! --87.149.22.110 10:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Carnival exists in the Culture section of the Society and social sciences. I don't know much about the areas of the other suggestions, but please, do the changes you think are improvements. The more people who help with this list, the better it will become. Boivie (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops, I see now that Carnival was added (by you?) while I was writing this. Boivie (talk) 19:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Duplicates

Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre are now both in the list of Authors/Poets and in the list of Philosophers. I think each should be only once in the list, but I don't know what the best places for those two are. Boivie (talk) 05:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I think they are more philosophers than authors--Cavaliere grande (talk) 15:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Now Orson Welles is both in the Actor and the Director section. Boivie (talk) 15:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Actors / Actresses

There are too many actors present, we should remove some of theme and replace them with artists. This would also fit better the quotas.--Cavaliere grande (talk) 15:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Remove Egyptian Dynasties & Germanic Wars

I think Egyptian Dynasties & Germanic Wars can be removed. Daiquping (talk) 13:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any ideas of what to add instead? Boivie (talk) 16:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea... Daiquping (talk) 11:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Pharmacy

I've added pharmacy, which deserve more entries.--Kopiersperre (talk) 13:13, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Solar Nebula & Nebular hypothesis

Having different names and objects (model and hypothesis about this model, respectively), both share the same subject (history of the Nebular hypothesis and Solar system evolution from its perspective). It can or cannot be considered as forks or even merged, but including both in this list is obviously redundant. Александр Крайнов (talk) 18:29, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

"Computer Scientists" leaves out Bill Joy, a major oversight

Under "1.14 Scientists, inventors and mathematicians, 277" subheading "Computer Scientists," Bill Joy is not on the list, a major oversight, since his contributions to software engineering are legendary: BSD Unix and the Java programming language, for instance. He's also a co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Quoting from the Wikipedia article about him <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Joy> "In 1986, Joy was awarded a Grace Murray Hopper Award by the ACM for his work on the Berkeley UNIX Operating System.... In 2011, he was inducted as a Fellow of the Computer History Museum for his work on the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) Unix system and the co-founding of Sun Microsystems.[7]"

I'd add his name myself, but the procedure is obscure to me. --Wikifan2744 (talk) 06:08, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

add Censorship

en:Censorship is't in list! It's very important theme. --Pessimist (talk) 14:49, 23 December 2014 (UTC)