Talk:Language committee/2018

Montenegrin language

Regarding the comment that Montenegrin language is not authentic, but a jekavian variant of Serbian language, I am hereby sending you the arguments which prove it is not correct. After the decay of SFRY the agreed artificial so called Serbo-Croatian or Croatian-Serbian language officially ceased to exist, so the logical consequence was for the following separate socio-linguistic languages of Shtokavian origin to evolve as independent: Bosnian, Montenegrin, Croatian and Serbian. Naturally, within these languages certain structural specificities developed. Such specificities are not negligible and cannot be annihilated by a thesis that if there are no communication obstacles, we cannot speak about different languages. Montenegrins created their language in the process of their own development in the capacity of an authentic and self-grown nation in specific natural and historical conditions. As such, it has three layers: 1. first part are general Shtokavian language features (common in Bosnian, Montenegrin, Croatian and Serbian languages); 2. second part are the features from general Montenegrin language layer (macro-structure); and 3. third layer comprises features of local speech patterns pertaining to Montenegrin dialects (micro-structures).

Basic structural difference between these languages, among others, is their phonemic composition. “Surplus” Montenegrin phonemes are ś and ź. In Montenegro, they are commonly acknowledged, which is why they have been included in the Montenegrin standards. Confirmation of their phonemic nature are numerous: Śoga : šoga, śenka : Senka, Źagore : zagore, Źagora : Zagora, 3avala : zavala, śetni : ćetni, śenica : šenica, śutra : jutra, śenka : ženka; źenica : ženica, źato : zato, Źale : Zale. Numerous authors have pointed out to the general presence of voices ś and ź in Montenegrin dialects, as well as to the custom of the voice з in these speeches (even though the last one often alternated with z under the influence of Serbian language which is still officially in use in Montenegro, and because it was impossible to write it). Based on the Montenegrin onomastic substance, the omnipresence of voices ś and ź in Montenegrin language is irrefutably evident. Contrary to the mentioned phonological system of Montenegrin language, Serbian standard language has 30 phonemes. Montenegrin specific phonemes mentioned above appear very rarely in Serbian speeches, and thus pertain to the dialectical layer of that language.

Serbian standard language does not know voices ś and ź as products of jekavian iotation. There, it is always: sjekira, sjesti, sjetiti, brezje, klasje, osje, kozji, pasji, zjenica, izjesti etc. Instead of these forms, in Montenegrin language the following forms are standard and omnipresent: śekira, śenica, śesti, śetiti, śutra, klaśe, ośe, paśi, iźesti, iźelica, koźi, źenica, źenični etc. As such, these forms have a dialectical, or mostly local status. In Serbian language, they are very solitary part of the dialect, thus not being part of its standard. These forms entered Serbian language mostly from the territory of Montenegro by mass migrations starting from the 15th century. In Montenegrin language, these voices are its unavoidable and distinguished part. In view of the creation and development of consonants ś and ź, they cannot always be replaced with sj and zj, because they did not appear only as a product of jekavian iotation. The following examples can prove it: Śoga, Śota, Daśko, pośljednji, źatiti, groźđe (in Montenegrin speeches), iźđeljati etc. Voices ś and ź did not appear in Montenegrin language only as a product of jekavian iotation, but its appearance is widely confirmed in hypocoristics: hypocoristicity is certainly the grounds on which (…) voices ś and ź developed. And subsequently, as it is the case with other hypocoristics, it was possible for the generalization process to appear and for the hypocoristics to grow into non-hypocoristics, which is what actually did happen. Due to the lack of adequate graphemes in the standard alphabet and Cyrillic script, Montenegrin writers have noted these voices in different (inadequate) manners. Along with the most frequent use of groups sj and zj instead of typical ś and ź, they often used šj and žj, or even š and ž as substitutes.

Once it was formed, one way or the other, as a formant, the consonant ś could act and spread completely independently, without any connection with the voice j. Phonemes ś and ź were formed by the so-called new or jekavian iotation and alignment to the place of creation: śever, śutra, śen, śenopadina, uśečenije, Śekloća (surname), in nouns expressing dearnes (hypocoristics): Śata, Paśo, Śaka and in toponyms and hydronyms: Paśeglav, Śenica, Śerava, Preśeka, Śenokos(i), Koźe pogledalo, Koźevići, Glavica koźa, Koźi brijeg, Koźa, iźelica, iźesti, źđeljati, Źaga, Źajo.

The importance of these phonemes as substantially recognizable features of Montenegrin language, a renown Croatian professor of general linguistics and sociolinguistics Dubravko Škiljan indicates as follows: The closest to the option of detaching as a separate language is not Croatian, but Montenegrin language – the moment they introduce in their standard language soft forms of š and ž as special phonemes (…), they will make a more resolute move than any other alterations made here for the purpose of the language separation. For, that is something that firmly defines the language structure, number or phonemes system.

Apart from the said differences, as an outstanding feature of Montenegrin standard language and its recognizable difference in comparison with Serbian language, there are voices ć and đ, which appeared by jekavian iotation. In Serbian standard language, the only ones acknowledged as normative are the results of jekavian iotation of consonants lj and nj (ljeto, ljepota, voljeti, njegovati, snježan etc), whereas all other are qualified as dialectical. In Serbian literary speech of jekavian pronunciation only sonants l and n are aligned: ljeto (for ekavian leto), ljepota (for ekavian lepota), njegovati (for ekavian negovati), nježan (for ekavian nežan), while consonants (s, z, d, t) remail unaltered: djevojka, vidjeti, tjerati, sjekira, izjesti etc. Such forms without iotation are absolutely unknown in all the Montenegrin language territory. All the linguistic research of Montenegrin speeches so far has shown that voices ć and đ as products of jekavian iotation of consonants t, d and c are omnipresent in all the terrain. It is a common thing t, d, c + je (đe was an old grapheme of jat) > će, đe: ćerati, lećeti, ćešiti (but also tješiti), vrćeti; đe, đed, neđelja, đegođ and in onomatics: Ćetko, Ćetna, Ćetković, ćetalj, Ćetanski pod, Ćedilo, Ćeklići, Šćepan, Šćepo, Šćepanović, Šćepan polje, Šćepandan, Neđeljko, Međeđe, Međedović. Consonants d and t in Montenegrin standard language are not subject to iotation only in rare cases: a) in complex verbs, when their prefix ends in d and the other part starts with j: nadjačati, odjuriti, odjeziditi, podjarmiti, odjednom, odjedanput, podjariti etc; b) in foreign complex words: adjektiv, adjunkt; d) in lexemes: tjeme, tjelesni, tjelesina. Considering such a use of phonemes đ and ć in Montenegrin language, they had to become part of its standard (exactly as the voices ś, ź mentioned earlier), since they represent imposing characteristics of that language.

The analysis of phonetic-phonological features of Montenegrin and Serbian languages lead to a conclusion that the basic differences among them are as follows: the rank and status of phonemes ś, ź, ć i đ, namely the presence/absence of phonemes ś, ź in their standards and phonemes ć and đ created as the result of jekavian iotation.

These features can be associated with jekavian script, because ekavian script is a recognizable Serbian language feature, and it can be assumed that the status of jekavian script in that language will be rather marginal in the near future. And so forth. The truth is that during the times of Yugoslavia, the education was mostly carried out in Serbo-Croatian language, because the Montenegrins were attached to the idea of the common state. Yugoslavia fell apart not due to Montenegrins and all the nations returned to their languages, which they used before. I would like to note that the state of Serbia officially introduced Montenegrin language as official language of the Montenegrin minority in Serbia, and that it is financing publications, school education and manifestations in Montenegrin language from the state budget, which is prescribed by the laws of the state of Serbia. Ookuninusi (talk) 14:00 30. December 2017 (UTC)

@Ookuninusi: As I said on your talk page, your this comment is too large to be useful, can you please please and please rephase by removing or short saying some points? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:14, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 When someone asks questions and argues about the Montenegrin language, then you can not expect for the comment to be simple and banal. The comment has to be professional and it is not possible to summarize that in a few ordinary and everyday sentences. This is a summarized comment about something that has hundreds of written pages and if it is shortened it would be incomprehensible and it wouldn't complete its purpose. --Freemanmne (talk) 11:13, 31 December 2017 (UTC)Freemanmne

@Freemanmne: You mean, a paragraph with 1434 characters is even short (:p)? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:21, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 The question of a language is not a question that can fit into a short answer. I am a Montenegrin, my native language is Montenegrin, the language of my father, grandfather, great-grandfather and all of my ancestors, and denying of my language is the same as denying my nationality, which is chauvinistic and unacceptable. But that style of commenting doesn't address elementary questions of differences between the Montenegrin language and the other ex-Yugoslavian languages. Linguistically speaking, the Montenegrin languages has more differences from Serbian than Bosnian, and I don't see there was this much problems during the verification of the Bosnian Wikipedia. --Freemanmne (talk) 11:35, 31 December 2017 (UTC)Freemamne

@Freemanmne: I'd personally break it down into smaller paragraphs. People just have a hard time navigating "walls" of comment text. Also: this whole exposition would be much more effective if you provided academic sources to support your arguments. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:34, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81 First of all, let me wish you and your colleagues a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Since I myself am part of the Montenegrin academic community having published hundreds of works, of course my comment raised the discussion to an academic level. That is why I did consult a professor at the Faculty for Montenegrin Language from Cetinje. The comment comprises 90% of the text she sent me in writing, and I had it translated by a professional philologist for the accuracy of the professional terms (I am talking about my comment taken by [[User:Ookuninusi|Ookuninusi] - http://tinypic.com/r/20z5w1u/9]). Breaking up the text is practically impossible, because it is a maximally concise text, and its division would cause the loss of the substance.--Freemanmne (talk) 11:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)Freemanmne
@StevenJ81 Language issues cannot be reduced to chatting. It demands precisely academic debate. Although language issue is par excellence a sociolinguistic issue, I have intentionally neglected that aspect and stated only linguistic arguments of the esteemed professor. I would once more like to emphasize that Bosnian language resembles much more to the jekavian variant of the S/H language than the Montenegrin language, even though I consider Bosnian to be a separate language for sociolinguistic reasons, and it did not cause so much debate. It cannot really be the logic of numbers and the size of nation population? Language must not be an instrument of assimilation, because that is what this is about.--Freemanmne (talk) 11:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)Freemanmne

Happy new year to you, too!

1. Suspected, but couldn't be certain, that either you or your correspondent was an academic. For the purpose of letting this be considered a reliable argument, please email me with both of your actual identities. Will post them on LangCom email list—private one if you wish—but not on-wiki.
2. Someone has broken it up above. Nice for you to say "its division would cause the loss of substance"; if it's too dense for people to (be willing to) read, you have no substance, anyway. StevenJ81 (talk) 11:14 am, Today (UTC−5)

(Edit conflict.) Separately: people should not use tinyurl links and the like on WMF projects. They're frequently blocked here because they are used so frequently for spamming purposes. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Freemanmne. (Added to get a fresh ping.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:45, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of inh.wikipedia

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Hello. The LangCom intends to approve Ingush Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 14:57, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Balochi, Balochi, Balochi...

The Balochi problem is also discussed in the past a whole decade, but looks like still have no decision. In summary we have 1+3 Balochi test wikis, and all are having their corresponding requests:

1. Wp/bal (RFL started in 28 June 2010) in Balochi Macrolanguage (165 total pages, 38 total editors, localisation is rejected per gerrit:212982);
2. Wp/bcc (RFL started in 10 June 2008, verified as eligible in 12 August 2008) in Southern Balochi (1379 total pages, 63 total editors, required localisation is 72% done);
3. Wp/bgn (RFL started in 9 October 2014) in Western Balochi (8088 total pages, 92 total editors, required localisation is 96% done);
4. Wp/bgp (RFL started in 10 August 2010) in Eastern Balochi (14 total pages, 13 total editors, localisation is rejected per gerrit:206732);

How should we select some of them? Start only a balwiki and merge 2-4? Or (probably) start 3 Balochi variets wikis and merge the first one to one of 2-4? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I was getting close to these in my run through long-open projects. Will take it up with LangCom shortly. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

At the moment it looks @Satdeep Gill and Ladsgroup: supports bal and oppose bcc+bgn+bgp, but most of translatewiki.net users (e.g. @Siebrand:) doesn't agree bal. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, that's likely to be a problem at this point. I've added the number of total pages (from Catanalysis, not looking at mainspace vs. template vs. whatever) to what you wrote above. I suspect it would be difficult to put the djinn back in the bottle, even if we wanted to. We can try to determine what language the macrolanguage content is in and move it to the correct place. But doing the opposite would be very hard work, and I doubt there's much of an interest from the community in doing that. I want to wait until next week to put this one up at LangCom (for unrelated reasons), but will do so then. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Satdeep just dropped a note on LangCom on the subject. And the other possibility, I increasingly see, is that regardless of whether we settle on "bal" or "bcc+bgn+bgp", the surviving material would be what is currently found in "bgn". StevenJ81 (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Sir what you think about blc code, is this code for any language?:))Bloch khan (talk) 18:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

blc is already taken. It is the code for Nuxalk language. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you sir:)) Bloch khan (talk) 20:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Discussion about closure of Cebuano Wikipedia

The discussion at Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Cebuano Wikipedia has been going on for a while. Would it be possible for Langcom to look at it, now that the discussion has had a large amount of time to proceed? DraconicDark (talk) 15:26, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Discussion has been underway at LangCom since 1 February. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Closed as unsuccessful (project remains open). StevenJ81 (talk) 14:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Request for Approving Pashto Wikivoyage

Pashto Wikivoyage ( Wy/ps) project has very good activity during the last six months, and we had 3 users at first afterwards we became four In January we became 7 people's. There is more than 200 main space pages. I request Language committee to take decision regarding its launch. Thanks. Bloch khan (talk) 01:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Need help

Hello committee, I would like to point out that the "Translate this page" link, does not work and Standard Moroccan Tamazight can not be selected from the list of languages and preferences. when the cursor hovers over the language link, a small bubble appeaappears indicate that the language is "Undefined". I think that the problem might be resolved on this page, Which contains this file with many ISO codes for many languages except the Standard Moroccan Tamazight ISO code. I think the problem will be will be resolved by changing that file with this updated one. Brahim-essaidi (talk) 16:33, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

You probably need to take this to Phabricator. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81 I have tried but I can't login to Phabricator on my server. This is the message I get (Forbidden, You don't have permission to access / on this server.) I will ask another user to do it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brahim-essaidi (talk) 17:22, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg and Amire80: Perhaps one of you guys can help with this? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:29, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Updating codelookup's list of codes will not have any effect on which languages you can translate to using Special:Translate. The solution instead is, I guess, to translate zgh's MediaWiki interface to such an extent that it will be exported from translatewiki.net and therefore be made known to MediaWiki that this language exists. --MF-W 01:13, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg I don't understand enough, can you please explain more. What do we need to do exactly? Brahim-essaidi (talk) 05:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Brahim-essaidi: I see the problem now. Here's what you need to do:

• Go to translatewiki.net. Get yourself added as a translator for zgh (and any other language you'd like, such as shi).
• Start working on translation interface. First, start with "MediaWiki (most important messages)" here. Then continue with "MediaWiki core" here.
• The first group is a subset of the second group. Once the second group is over 13% complete, that will trigger a download to the Wikimedia wikis, and zgh will become active. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikiquote Sakha

IMHO, this project is now a little active, although it's still premature to consider its creation, shouldn't we mark this proposal as eligible? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Done (Marked eligible.) StevenJ81 (talk) 15:23, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Basque Wikisource

Hello! As stated by StevenJ81 here, we have been working on Basque Wikisource for a while. All the criteria in Catanalysis are now on, and we have translated all the messages in Translatewiki. So, I ask again to activate Basque Wikisource in its own subdomain. Thanks! -Theklan (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Theklan: Let me ask you a question. Are these "cool projects to add more texts in the next months" now complete? Or are they going to go on for a while?

I ask for two related reasons. First, LangCom does not want to spin off separate projects unless they are going to remain active. Especially with Wikisource, there is not really a downside to the content remaining on multilingual Wikisource for a while. So if you are going to keep working on this for a while, then there is a reason to spin off the project. If you're done for a while, then things should stay where they are. Second, the Basque content is still just a little small. The smallest independent Wikisource that remains open and was not grandfathered in is about 144 pages right now. There is not a formal minimum, to be sure, but if you got your content to 150 pages, it would make your case better. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: We are doing them, we have a group of librarians starting to work on Wikisource, we had a meeting last week with the Secretary of Culture and some works are currently being done (can't explain them in public now, sorry)... we had a workshop with wikimedians, and this year some university texts are going to be free so we can upload here. And we are starting a project with a basque literature database that has all the classics digitalized. So yes, there will be work.

On the other hand, we have much more than 150 pages. Look at the subcategories. @KRLS:, maybe you can give us some numbers of the pages you moved to subcategories in the last month. -Theklan (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. (On multilingual Wikisource, it's a good idea to keep all your pages in the language root category, as well as in subcategories, so that it's easy for LangCom to see quickly what's going on.)

Give me about a week to clear a couple of other things up at LangCom, and then I'll take this to them. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

It would be a good idea if we were planning to be there forever. But as we are growing, categorization, making templates or organizing it as a real thing is a better idea. Everything is in subcategories, by the way. -Theklan (talk) 15:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Theklan: Pages can be in both subcategories and the root category. I fully agree that organizing what you have is important. But the parser function {{pagesincategory}} is dumb, and doesn't count pages in subcategories, too. So as long as you're in Multilingual Wikisource, it's still good to have pages in the language root category (also). StevenJ81 (talk) 15:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Now, there are 186 pages "Not proofread‎", 345 pages Proofread,‎ and 6 pages validated (more info: Category:Zuzenketa-egoeraren orriak) from 27 indexs (more info Category:Indizeak euskaraz). This number will grow quickly, because there are 284 transcribed works that it doesn't use proofreading extensions yet. For example, there is the transcription Gero (629 pages), but it's not migrated to proofreading extensions Index:AxularGero.djvu. I see that you did 54 contributions to multilingual wikisource, consequently you know that Multilingual Wikisource is an hostile environment for newbie users, because a category tree is not the best way to begin and a category or a subpage is not the best showcase. We need this subdomain, because we need a friendly environment, own gadgets, common and translated templates and a great showcase for this "cool projects".--KRLS (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Currently discussing at LangCom. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ancash Quechua

IMHO, this project is now a little active, although it's still premature to consider its creation, shouldn't we mark this proposal as eligible? -- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

You never answered my question there: Do you have community consensus to combine these tests? At minimum, you need to leave a question open for a week to see if anyone responds. But I'm concerned you've been acting unilaterally on this. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I just gave a proposal, then a user unified the 2 projects into one.-- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 15:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I know. I'm not happy he did so. But he did it because you said you were combining the tests. So I kick that back to you. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

So how can a vote be held to have the consensus of the community-- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 15:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Put a page in each test ... one can actually redirect to the other ... posing the question, and asking for community comment. Also place a notice of it at Incubator's Community Portal. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. -- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Not marking this "eligible" yet, pending the above. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Discussion on Incubator resolved. Now marking this project eligible. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Notification about two proposed project approvals

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Gorontalo Wikipedia

The LangCom intends to approve Gorontalo Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

•  Strong support Beeyan (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
•  Strong support Wirjadisastra (talk) 06:43, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
•  Strong support 🍂 Notanotheramy (talk) 08:43, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Please don't vote here. This is for objections. --MF-W 11:33, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Basque Wikisource

The LangCom intends to approve Basque Wikisource. (Note that this project has many pages in subcategories.) If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

•  Strong support Catanalysis counts 1383 pages in Basque Wikisource. Great work.--KRLS (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure where approvals are announced at Wikisource, but I will note that both of these projects are now approved. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

So, another set of 2011 series of non-"Verified as eligible" requests

I think instead of stick on discussing Montenegrin which result a lot of wait wait wait... Why don't we continue discussing the possible eligibility and/or rejection on those year-old requests? Judging anyone of those projects are kindly easier than Montenegrin:

• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Jawi can we reject this? Even there's benefit to have test projects in Extinct languages, I have doubt who from Australia will contribute that project. Rejected.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Bafia was considered for its possible eligibility just one year ago, but no consensus? Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mundang eligible? Shows two L1 speakers on request page. Rejected as stale.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Simple German 4 use same rejection comment as Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Simple Hebrew? Awaiting comments. The one thing that makes this different is this developing standard from Hildesheim. But in all likelihood, rejected with substantially the same rejection comment. Rejected.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Kwasio if Manchu and Chinuk wawa are eligible even lack of enough L1 speakers, then why not this? Rejected as stale.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ngomba per Kwasio? Rejected as stale.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Boso Kalongan can't find any ISO code requests for this one, reject? Rejected.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Northeastern Thai IMO should be eligible. Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Khakas currently on hold, why not follow what we did for Manchu? Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Nenets also on hold, Ethnologue says 6b (Threatened), but also mentioned a native speaker, so eligible? Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Northwest African Arabic too general, suggest rejection because of a well-contributed Algerian (Jazayri) Arabic project. Proposed rejecting in favor of the Algerian project. Awaiting comments from LangCom. Rejected.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Marwari as it's a macrolanguage and has overlapped users in the border area of India and Pakistan, can member of WMIN and WMCUG Pakistan come here to leave your all suggestions? Awaiting further comments.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mam may be eligible, is educated in some rural schools of Guatemala. Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Colloquial Cantonese @C933103, Deryck Chan, Hello903hello, and Suzukaze-c: can you all please give your idea, that if this kind of dialects of Cantonese should be considered another ISO code, or yuewiki should allow parallel-creation of articles for them (following what we find in Mindong, Hakka, Ladino, Nynorsk and else Wikipedias)? Or this can be just rejected? Proposed rejecting. Awaiting comments from LangCom. Rejected.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Libyan Arabic Image that showing two articles and one redirect to get eligible for users of a war-zone country, hehe to me. Rejected as stale.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Tharu why not eligible? Has enough Indian and Nepalese contributors. Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Romanized Pashto no idea. Awaiting LangCom comments on this and an effectively identical request from 2012, but probably rejecting. Both rejected.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Kildin Sami Ethnologue says 8b (Nearly extinct) but also have native speakers on request page, @Jon Harald Søby: I really need your help on it. Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Lakota a 6b (Threatened) language in USA, no other idea. Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Southern Altai official language of Altai Republic, why not eligible? Southern Altai eligible. Northern Altai in review.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ter Sami per Kildin Sami, needs Jon to comment. Eligible.
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ingrian per Kildin Sami, needs Jon to comment. Eligible.

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:54, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Since you follow LangCom, you know I run these through a few at a time. The first five are queued on my computer and ready to go. If someone decides based on what you've written here, great. If not, I don't plan to let grass grow under my feet while waiting for them to finish debating the other topic. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

See comments on first five. "Rejecting as stale" basically means that it could have been eligible, but nobody has ever shown up to work on a test. (There may possibly be a page or two from the time of the request, but then nothing.) If this were a new request, we'd mark it "on hold" and give people some time to show up. But given that 6+ years have passed, and nobody has followed up, LangCom is comfortable rejecting, with an invitation to revisit if anyone ever decides to work on the test. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:36, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Already one week past, the Simple German one can be rejected, personally. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:12, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Really, we're all volunteers here. You can see where I live from my user page. Seven days hadn't passed when I went offline last night my time. Don't start nudging until it's been a day or two past time (at least). StevenJ81 (talk) 13:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

For the Colloquial Cantonese proposal, what it describe is actually an alternative (invented) orthography for the Cantonese. It suggested using characters that are historically used to denote some sounds in Cantonese instead of characters that are commonly used nowadays, and then it also proposed using the Bopomofo phonetic symbol which is a set of phonetic writing system invented in China last century and currently mostly in use in Taiwan to write some words that have no canonical corresponding character. I haven't encounter or even heard about anyone writing in such way in real life, and searching the proposed autonym in google yield nothing relevant. C933103 (talk) 09:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

See comments on second five. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:40, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

See comments on third five. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Note that I also asked Wikimedia Nepal for opinions about Marwari. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

All items in previous sets except for Marwari resolved. Also, see comments on fourth set. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Really? You say that you marked Ingrian and Ter Sami as eligible, but where's the changes? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Why are you so impatient? I sent that in at the end of my day yesterday, and didn't have time to do the updating yet. It will be done this morning, my time. Really, we're all volunteers here. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Comments on final group here. (Note: please don't start marking up 2012 requests yet. I'm going to go to 2018 requests next.) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

I think that some 2018 requests are just created as nonsense e.g. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Indonesian-Arabic Script where Ernesztina says that that's an April fool. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Wikipedia/lki

Hello, it's a long time that we have started to write wikipedia in Laki language (Request Page). Our contributters have submitted some pages and tried to extend the unverified Wikipedia but now they need your reactions and feedbacks, they need a real version of Wikipedia to convince other people to help us. Laki language community could be very active if we had your final approval.

Best regards, Miladrahimi93 (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

You're close. But we need there to be a little bit more of a regular, active community. We are ordinarily looking to see at least three registered users making at least ten edits every single month. We will consider the project for approval when that has happened for three consecutive months. In this test, there was one month like that in 2014, and two consecutive months in Dec. 2015–Jan. 2016, but that's it. It needs to me more consistent. Good luck! StevenJ81 (talk) 19:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

pashto wikivoyage

hi please make pashto wikivoyage tank you --Atalym (talk) 12:17, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Atalym: As I keep telling the community, LangCom would like to see the project get a little bigger before approving. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

handling languages with multiple scripts

Some languages have two or more different scripts, is such a case it would according to ISO 636 the language code would then have a hyphen in it, so for example lanuage for Zhuang written in simplified Chinese characters would be za-hans. Is it possible for to create new wikipedias with a hyphen in the language code. Johnkn63 (talk) 10:25, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Johnkn63: Why not considering Wikipedias in multiple writing systems solutions? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:01, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Thank for a interesting ssuggestion. However, whilst it is possible to convert from the character script to the romanised script with few diffult cases, the reverse is not true, there are many cases where diffrent characters are pronounced the same such as 𬽫 (added to Unicode in 2016 written 亻+斗) which is 3rd pers plural pronoun, and 𫔯 which is a door but both 'dou' in the romanized script. The question was may the language contain a hyphen? Johnkn63 (talk) 13:06, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

That's the wrong question. There are several Wikipedias for several languages with hyphens in the Wikimedia code, for various reasons, none of which are for separate scripts. Any new project that doesn't use just the base language tag is going to be special to the individual case. The language code for Zhuang is za. If you need to communicate the script in the language tag, you can use za-Hans, but there's no requirement to; za is still perfectly legal. Wikimedia generally does not produce multiple projects in the same language, so optimally there would be e.g. za.wikipedia.org, and that Wikipedia would work how to handle the script situation internally. More argument can be produced, but there's no blanket answer here; you're going to have to make the case that it's worth having both za-Hans and za-Latn, which will be a hard argument.

Thank you for your reply. The main arguement for having two seperate wikis would have to center around there being two user communities with distinct scripts, distinct in that there are many users who are only familiar with one script and not the other, and even a number of users who who on a matter of principle only use one script or another. There is already a za.wikipedia.org and the right hand side of that page indicts part of the problem. Until recently this was an academic problem as many of the za-hani characters were not in Unicode, however Unicode 10.0 added one thousand za-hani characters, and a further two thousand have already been submitted and will become part of Unicode in the next 5 years or so. Are there any other wikis that have solved similar problems and if so how?Johnkn63 (talk) 15:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Note that there's cases of such problems in Chinese. One simplistic solution would be to introduce a wikisyntax, e.g. {{trans|dou|𬽫}}, for things that can't be automated; I can't find the actual solution in use in the Chinese Wikiprojects in English on short notice.

I understand your point, however in practice this will not work, be it Zhuang or Chinese. I even designed a Zhuang editor in 2000 using Perl Tk that did something like this, but discovered that users did not process the two scripts in this way.

Whatever Chinese does, does work for Chinese. I don't see what it means that "this will not work"; it would be tedious, but if the transliterator tags problems and an edit team fixes it, then all such problems will be eventually fixed.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, in that the reason that the Perl Tk editor did not work was because it behaved differentally to Chinese software, so the solution for Zhuang on computers in general is in many respects similar to Chinese, and this is why the Zhuang characters have started to be added to Unicode, the first thousand being added in 2016. No, in that, serveral respects (1) the problem has not been solved for Chinese, conversion is not easy and depends largely on context one reason for this is no word breaks, there are no gaps between words. As to a wiki I see there is an incubator pinyin wiki [[1]], (2) even though there are similarities there are differences in usage which means that the problem is more accute, and therefore a solution is needed sooner rather than later.Two separate wikis would also mean it might be that the wiki in one script is blocked but not the other.Johnkn63 (talk) 01:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Given w:en:Zhuang languages and w:en:Standard Zhuang, it seems the tag should be zyb, as Standard Zhuang is the Yongbei dialect? And Standard Zhuang is also officially written in the Latin script, so lacking interchangeability, the Latin script should be used, leaving the other Zhuang languages to form their own projects in which ever scripts they want.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree that 'zyb' is the right tag for Standard/Yongbei Zhuang. The tag 'za' is a macrolanguage tag, representing a cover term for all the Zhuang languages, which are no more closely related than the Sinitic or the Romance languages. The Wuming variety of Yongbei was chosen not because it is historically more prominent (as in the case of the French of Paris becoming Standard French) but because it makes the most phonemic distinctions, or was believed to do so at the time of standardization. As for the script, there are probably more people literate in Latin script than in Sawndip (Han) script, so the former should most likely be adopted. --Johnwcowan (talk) 02:20, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

There is a world of difference between Standard Zhuang and zyb, Standard Zhuang simply uses zyb phonemes, the vocabulary and spelling are not based on zyb. Anyone taking the Standard Zhuang language test and an swering the questions in zyb would fail, for that matter a zyb person who had not studied Standard Zhuang would not be able to understand many of the questions. As far as literacy is concerned research suggests the literacy rate for the Sawndip script is about twice that for the romanised script. The number of Zhuang handwritten manuscripts in Sawndip vastly out numbers those in the romanised script. Johnkn63 (talk) 16:44, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

"Some languages have two or more different scripts, is such a case it would according to ISO 636 the language code would then have a hyphen in it [...]" This is a BCP 47 mechanism, not ISO 639. ISO 639 code elements are two (639-1) or three (639-2, -3, 5) letters only. DougEwell (talk) 21:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Wikipedia/Italkian

Hi,I'm SarduLogoduresu and I'm here to ask for the creation of the Italkian Language Wikipedia Version.I'm from the little Nuoro jewish community.In this jews community there are 70 people (20 boys).All of us can speak a little of the Judaeo-Italian language. Also in Livorno (Baggino dialect), Turin (Judeao-Piedmontese) and Milan there are Italkian speak-communities (in total 250 people can speak good the language, but 4000 can say anything). Ethnologue say there are also 70 speaker in the greek island of Corfù. The ISO-code is 'itk' and some sites have a page dedicated to this language. I think the Judaeo-Italian page can be an octimal page of exprhension for the little italkian-speak community. Best regards,Havanderci, SarduLogoduresu

Hello, SarduLogoduresu, and חג כשר ושמח!

I'd be very pleased, personally, if such a project were to be created and successful, and I will do what I can to help. But before such a project could be approved, you and your colleagues would need to start by creating content in a test project on Incubator. Please do that—the rules for Incubator projects are at incubator:Help:Manual, and ask me (on my talk page there) if you have any questions.

מועד טוב. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Italkian Communities in the world

In total there are in the all world almost 2.000-3.000 people who can speaking italkian. Another 10.000 dispersed in all the world can understand and reading that. In total the people who can write in italkian, corfiot italqit and Israel italkian there are almost 1.000. In my idea the wikipedia has to be write in Latin Script, because the biggest part of the italkian-speakers are italian L1 and Italkian L2 or, like me L3. --— The preceding unsigned comment was added by SarduLogoduresu (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Creation of new language Marwari.

Marwari language is spoken in rajasthan india. This language is much more different than othere language its has it own words,way of speaking etc. We demand a marwari Wikipedia section. For saving our language. Jai Poonia (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• @Jai Poonia: This wiki was just marked as eligible. At this point, for the project to be approved, it must be more fully developed on Incubator. Please participate at incubator:Wp/rwr. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Sorani Kurdish

We have started from scratch on the ckb Wiktionary and we've been REALLY active, working hard and trying our best to create content. @StevenJ81: advised to create content, so we've been doing that and we quickly reached 200 pages (and counting) in the few days we've been working on it. We believe now it's time to consider creating our project. Remember, ckb Wikipedia started small as well, but now it's really big and read by many. The ckb Wiktionary will be the same, because we don't believe in unfinished works.--Épine (talk) 22:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, judging from the analysis, you have not yet reached the necessary goals. One of them is at least three consecutive months of substantial contributions by at least three editors. As it stands, you have only one month of activity. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Ooswesthoesbes: what are the other necessary goals? If we hold the project active for another two months, that's it? Also, look at the recent changes, there are three active users.--Épine (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

In general, yes. However, take in mind that LangCom may need some extra time for approving or discussing the project, and the developpers need time to actually create the wiki. The only thing you need to keep doing for now is keep editing and building a strong community. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Got it! Thanks!--Épine (talk) 13:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, Épine, remember that with respect to content, page count is not the whole story; quality of content in pages is also important. (I have not looked at your project recently, though I will soon; I've had to be away for a bit. So that's not a direct critique, just a general comment.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm doing my best.--Épine (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: So? Are we on the right track?--Épine (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I think if you ask again after just 4 days that is a bit difficult to answer ;) --MF-W 14:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia

Hi, I just wanna know why the Guianan Wikipedia project has not been approved yet, because I think I did everything I needed to do ! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 05:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: You need to start filling out some of your pages. You have lots of pages, and you're starting to have enough activity. But I just checked 20 random pages of the project, and they're all stubs. 18 of them, in fact, had no more than two sentences of body text—usually only one sentence. That's not sufficient quality for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

And if you're unsure what to do, translating some more MediaWiki core messages surely doesn't harm. It's ok to do the minimum, but 15 % means e.g. the essential pages like watchlist and recentchanges are not yet usable in the language. --Nemo 20:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, StevenJ81 and Nemo, I think now we did all things we needed to do for the Guianan Creole Wikipedia and i just wanna know why this is not yet approved ?! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 14:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Mapping of Wikipedias to ISO 639 codes.

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T168799

Does the Language Committee maintain a mapping of Wikipedias to their ISO 639 codes? It is not always obvious which language(s) are covered by a particular Wikipedia project. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redpandacat (talk) 14:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

In general, the correspondence is straightforward. See List of Wikipedias. There are some grandfathered projects where it's not quite as straightforward. What is your question in particular? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. That makes sense. It seems in general that the two letter codes follow ISO 639-1 and the three letter codes follow ISO 639-3. The only exception (other than non-standard codes) appears to be Nahuatl Wikpedia which uses ISO 639-2. The list of non-standard language codes is useful. I think there may be a few more instances would be useful to add but I am not sure. Norwegian (Bokmål) uses 'no' but it seems the standard ISO 639-1 code would be 'nb'. Alemannic uses 'als' which is now assigned to Tosk Albanian in ISO 639-3 whereas Alemannic Wikipedia appears to represent multiple dialects which have ISO 639-3 language codes. Emilian-Romagnol Wikipedia uses eml but that ISO 639-3 code has been split into 'rgn' and 'egl'. Belarusian (Taraškievica) Wikipedia uses the non-standard code 'be-tarask'. I would be interested to hear any thoughts on these.

I wonder whether it might also be worth listing under a separate heading the ancient/historical Wikipedia projects which are presumably grandfathered. Per ISO 639-3 these could be Old Church Slavonic, Latin, Pali, Sanskrit, Anglo-Saxon, Aramaic, and Gothic. Redpandacat (talk) 10:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Are you looking for Special language codes? --MF-W 14:14, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

That's just what I was looking for. Thank you. redpandacat (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Looks like @GZWDer: had filed this idea to our Phabricator. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Atayal

Atayal Wikipedia (tay) should have been approved a long time ago. Translation work has been done and the test has regular, consistent activity for at least 12 months. Therefore, I believe it's time to get the language verified and approve this wiki. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Very stubby, which I've mentioned to the community before. StevenJ81 (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the majority of the articles look like this and this, which is stubby. However, medium-sized pages like this and this are not too hard to find. An example of a long page is this. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: When over half the articles are stubs, is it appropriate to move to approval? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I think most Wikipedias have over half the articles stubs. Judging from RC, they tend to be expanding old pages (mainly by adding tables), instead of creating new small articles. Which I think is a positive sign. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

That is a positive sign. OK. Let me take the next week to resolve a couple of other issues over at LangCom, and then I'll bring this one to them. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: Part of the problem is that

• Many existing projects have a lot of stubs, especially if they are small projects that were created before the current policy went in. But at the same time ...
• LangCom doesn't want to approve projects that are move stub than article.

Now, I just went and looked at Wp/tay. Judging generously, and counting an article with a detailed table as a non-stub, I counted four non-stubs out of 20 pages I just sent. I can't go to LangCom with that low a percentage. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I fully understand. Looks like we've got to be more precise to the community what ís a stub and what is not. If they keep up approving contents, however, the ratio should be looked at with the fact that it started out 20 in 20 pages as a stub. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 14:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Piedmontese Wikisource

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

The LangCom intends to approve Piedmontese Wikisource. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Already ten days past, it's time to make decision now. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

If you follow the mailing list, you know we've had a question to resolve. And if you don't, then you've really got to stop holding a stopwatch to the process. Things are moving far faster than they were before, but it doesn't mean that there are never questions that stretch out the process a little.

As it happens, this project is approved. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Nyungar Wikipedia

I proposed a solution to the Nyungar problem here. The main contributor agrees with this solution; I'm interested in what the committee thinks of it. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 11:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes and Gnangarra: I will bring that to LangCom tomorrow morning (my time). I think they'll be ok with that (though I've been wrong about them before.) Still, they'll want to see as much content actually written in Nyungar as in English before approving. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Of course. If LangCom agrees, I will help with the implementation of this. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes and Gnangarra: Submitted. Let's see what happens. (OWTB: The term that would ordinarily be used instead of "tribal", especially in Australia, would be "aboriginal".) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:53, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Both for submitting and the terminology correction :) Should have known "aboriginal" though. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:57, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Notification about three proposed project approvals

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

Pashto Wikivoyage

The LangCom intends to approve Pashto Wikivoyage. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Bengali Wikivoyage

The LangCom intends to approve Bengali Wikivoyage. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Just a note that I changed the default time zone on the proposal to UTC from Asia/Dhaka to avoid partiality towards Bangladeshis (folks in Kolkata and Agartala observe Asia/Kolkata instead). Mahir256 (talk) 17:42, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Mahir256: As a general rule, it would probably be better for you to go to the test project to get consensus first (or to do so on the request page here). But I see that the default time zone on both Bengali Wikipedia and Wiktionary is UTC. So we'll stick with that. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Sakha Wikiquote

The LangCom intends to approve Sakha Wikiquote. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Scots Wiktionary

As follower of the Holy Bible, I am requesting what create the Wiktionary in Scots. The majority (80%) voted in favour at the creation of this Wiktionary. Counting with the entries of books of the Bible in Scots, templates of languages and categories with relation at the Bible that I created in Wikimedia Incubator, already are 423 entries. With it, already is possible create this Wiktionary.

Leonardo José Raimundo (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Leonardo José Raimundo: This project does have an encouraging amount of content. One thing you might try to improve is that many of the pages—even ones with a reasonable amount of content—are incomplete or have broken templates.

Still, this project is not ready to be considered for approval. The main reason that is that it does not have an ongoing community of contributors. The Language proposal policy says that a the test must be an "active test project" to be approved. According to the Language Committee, that means ...

• for at least three consecutive months ...
• the test project has at least three registered, non-bot contributors ...
• each of whom makes at least ten edits in a month.

Over the last five years, Scots Wiktionary has had exactly one month when at least three registered editors contributed to the project, and one of those made only one edit. So Scots Wiktionary is not even close.

If you really want this project approved, try to recruit some other people to contribute to the test project on Incubator. When you have had three or more editors active for three consecutive months, let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:32, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Wikipedia/ Meetei language

Meetei language is spoken in Manipur (with a population of 1.5 million ),india. This language is much more different than othere language its has it own words,way of speaking etc. We demand a Meetei Wikipedia section. For saving our language.

Kindly give Some procedure about this A Mangang (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I answered this already at incubator:I:RST. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Approval of santali Wikipedia WP/SAT

Hi I am Fagu Baskey editor of Santali Incubator page , what I want to say is that our editors are consistently active from last year june 2017, we have comleted one year.All are putting their best effort to make it live. In various discussion of language committee I have always observed the satisfaction of member of language committee over our test page. In the last discussion of language committee on 27th April 2018 it was said about review of our content through Satdeep Gill, but by this two month we have not seen any development on this. Some of our editor are loosing patience and spirit in this long procedure.I request for sincere and strong support from all the members of language committee for early approval of Santali Wikipedia. So, that we can move ahead. Fagu Baskey (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. LangCom is trying to find a language expert that can verify that your project is written in correct Santali. This should be a professor or professional linguist. Is there such a person you can recommend? StevenJ81 (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for response , find the link of santali professors of two university 1) http://www.nou.nic.in/santalifac.htm 2) http://www.visvabharati.ac.in/FacultyList.html . Language Committee can consult with these for verification of santali project. Fagu Baskey (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I will provide this to LangCom promptly. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Some old requests that don't have Incubator tests but also “eligible”

• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia British Sign Language
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Finnish Sign Language
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Orang Seletar

How do we think about that? I think that those are inappropriate. --219.147.95.213 23:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Orang Seletar one can just be rejected, as I explained on that page, I have no idea about two Sign languages. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure I have strong feelings about these. It's one thing when "discussion" or "on hold" projects sit in those statuses for a long time, as that makes it appear as if nobody is moving things along here. But when a project reads "eligible" and is there for a long time, all it means is that the community hasn't created enough content to get a project approved.

Still, I take your point. Let me see if the Committee has a view on this. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Committee's point of view is about what I described: Once we've marked a project as eligible, unless we've made a major mistake, it can stay eligible indefinitely, and often does. LangCom sees no problem with letting them stay that way. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Consider verifying or even approving Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Wu Chinese?

TBH, it has a huge scale of activities on incubator:Special:RecentChanges, and by re-reading the LPP, I really can't see any reasons that this can however be rejected. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:50, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: ^^? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

If you're in such a hurry for me to mark it eligible, fine: I'll mark it eligible. But right now it's a one-person project, and therefore not approvable. (Have a look at Catanalysis.) StevenJ81 (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Thx. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

How to make verified Meetei Wikipedia/Wikipedia projects?

What steps should be done to make verified the above projects to make verified for Meetei language in Wikipedia /wikimedia and other sister projects.

I want to know. A Mangang (talk) 14:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Your projects are generally all potentially "eligible". That is, the language is legitimate, different enough from other languages, and so forth, that once a test project is sufficiently developed it could be approved.

With respect to having projects actually approved, you need the following:

• Sufficient translation of the interface at translatewiki.net. (You're most of the way there.)
• Enough content for your project to be considered a reasonable Wikipedia. There are no specific numbers around that, but in most cases, you need at least 500 mainspace pages in a Wikipedia project, of which no more than half, and preferably much less than half, are considered stubs. (You have nine pages so far. You have a long way to go on that.)
• A active test community. You need at least three registered contributors making at least ten edits each for a minimum of three consecutive months, and need to keep that level of activity up until the project is approved. (So far, you are the only meaningful contributor to your projects. We never approve projects having only one contributor.)

I hope that helps. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Chinese

Chinese Wikiversity is now big enough to have its own wiki. Would you kindly take a look at it ?

Thank you --CreativeC (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@CreativeC: We have been discussing this. In all respects except one, the project is approvable. The one snag is that there are not three registered editors participating every month. And this is especially unfortunate because there is enormous input from IP users. Is there anything you can do to make sure that at least three registered (non-bot) editors participate every month? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I will notify the last active users to keep editing. --CreativeC (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@CreativeC: Thanks for the invite. I think that propaganda can only be done if it can be put together. I can now guarantee that some activities will be active to solve this last big hole. --夢蝶葬花@zhwikivoyage 02:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@CreativeC and 夢蝶葬花: If you get me one more registered user with at least ten edits during May, I'll try to go to LangCom with it. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

I have taken this to LangCom. So far I haven't gotten anyone to respond. Will continue to work on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

See below. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/ckb Wiktionary

Hello again. I have already opened a discussion before but it is now archived. All important translations for CKB Wiktionary have been made, and we held the project active for the last three months. We believe it is time to move on to the next step, whatever it might be. @StevenJ81: please consider checking the Kurdish Wiktionary out like you said you would, regards.--Épine (talk) 17:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Épine: I'm not quite sure how to answer this. Most of the pages of your Wiktionary contain a lemma (the word being defined) and a definition. If you look at larger Wiktionaries, though, you'll often see things like translations, pronunciations, data on part of speech, notations if the word is obsolete, etymology, and so forth. I don't see most of this in your project. Have a look at Wiktionaries having between 500 and 1500 words and see how they handle things. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: we know all that, which is why we want our project created so we can finally use those types of templates that are used in the other Wiktionaries. We are planning to go over all of the pages we created for wikidata connections and adding templates and contents. If you want us to get things done we must have our own site so we can work on the project like we do with Wikipedia.--Épine (talk) 07:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

It's only extremely recently that Wikidata has been available to Wiktionaries. You should be able to bring templates and modules in without that to work here.

To be completely honest, on a simple examination your test doesn't look ready. If you really feel that Wikidata will help,try to do 20-25 pages more fully here without it, and then if I'm happy I'll see what I can convince LangCom to do. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:48, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: connecting templates with modules and modules with other modules is impossible without editing the codes, which will need to be reverted once the project is created. I don’t understand what’s the issue here. You wanted more content, we have it. You wanted three months of activity, done. The number of the contributors is limited and we try our best. It makes the jobs harder to use language and IPA templates in the test wikis. We simply included those for the words that have it in wikitext. What ‘’exactly’’ do you want us to do?--Épine (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

The issue, @Épine, is that superficially (at least) it looks like most of your pages are really stubs. That is, they consist of one-line definitions, with no content on pronunciation, part of speech, translations, and the like. In comparison, on more mature Wiktionary projects, pages include all of those things.

I don't think you need to worry so much about the editing and reverting of codes. I assume here that you mean adding in the prefixes, and then stripping them on project approval.

• I assume you are using the Add Prefix gadget so that the prefixes are automatically added as you create content.
• The people who would then move your approved project out of Incubator into its own subdomain eventually will strip out all the prefixes automatically in the course of that process.

What I'd like to see is as many pages as possible turned into full-fledged Wiktionary definition pages. What I'd be willing to take to LangCom is a set of 20–25 fully fleshed-out pages that show that you know what you intend to build your project into once it goes into its own subdomain. Given that all three of the principal contributors to the test are very active on the corresponding Wikipedia, I might be able to convince them to say yes.

Please keep in mind, too, that approval decisions are not fully mine to make. I make recommendations, and those are often accepted. But I don't actually have a vote, and LangCom can decide not to take my recommendations. LangCom could easily decide that your project's pages are not sufficiently developed yet, and say no to approval. I'm really trying to help you have the best chance possible to succeed. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:18, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Got it, thank you. I will alert the contributors and we will try our best to make the existing pages longer.--Épine (talk) 10:35, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Chinese Wikiversity

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Chinese Wikiversity. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Confirmed no objections here, you may submit a Phabricator task now. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:11, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

You were five hours early. But I'll try to get to this later today, or at worst tomorrow. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikivoyage Arabic

Will Arabic language be in Wikivoyage? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by هارون الرشيد العربي (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Who created this thread without signing? Anyway, is this requesting a possible approval? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@هارون الرشيد العربي: Please contribute to the test project at incubator:Wy/ar. The test has a lot of nominal pages, but most of them are empty article outlines. Additionally, the test has not been active enough to be approvable. Both of those issues will need to be fixed before Arabic Wikivoyage can be approved. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Saclan (Central Sierra Miwok) wiktionary

What are the most important phrases to translate into Miwok and how can I do it? It's not yet an option! Baymiwuk (talk) 05:12, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

First go to translatewiki.net. There,

1. Create an account. It's not part of the SUL group of MediaWiki, so you have to create the account separately. (Most people use the same username anyway.)
2. Create the page "Portal:Csm" using {{Portal}} on that wiki.
3. Mark yourself on that page as available to translate.
4. Go to the page "Support" on that wiki. Request two things: (1) translator rights; (2) activate csm as a language there.

Good luck. Once you've done that, I'll tell you where to start. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wikitionary

Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wiktionary are very close to their own sites so these be approved. Sraiki 16:46, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

The activity on these two tests is good, and the interface is translated. However, on doing a check of random pages, I found that at most 6 pages of the 20 I checked on Wikipedia test were more than stubs—and I think I was being generous on three of them. And none of the 10 pages I checked on the Wiktionary test were more than stubs. So please start trying to build out the pages you have and turn them into real encyclopedia or dictionary pages. Only when you have done that will the tests be ready to consider for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81 According to advice I tried my best, Now in my view in Wikipedia Saraiki stubs are very few, most articles have been developed. It is very near to be approved,Sraiki 04:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81, Dear sir, as per your instruction We are working continuosly on Saraiki wikimedia incubator and there are few stubs out of near to 900 articles. Our team is working on this project with passion to promote our language and wikipedia.So It is requested to you, please approve Saraiki wikipedia for further progress and improvement of our passion. We will be gratefull to you. Thanks.

"Engr.ismailbhutta (talk) 07:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)"

I will review this week. StevenJ81 (talk) 02:35, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I still think the Wikipedia is only 25–30% real articles, and the rest stubs—and that is generous. Please see the definition at en:WP:STUB (or any other language version). StevenJ81 (talk) 19:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81, Sir we are grateful to you for your cooperation and guidanace. We will contact after some time and work for review. Thanks. "Engr.ismailbhutta (talk) 04:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)"

@StevenJ81, Dear in my view all stubs are removed. More than 1100 articles are created, It is time that Wikipedia be approved.Sraiki 14:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Hawrami and Wikipedia Gorani

Should both be merged? Both are pointing same incubator:Wp/hac --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe. See en:Gurani; there's apparently at least a certain amount of ambiguity in this code. The Hawrami request and the Incubator test were both started by the same individual, in 2010, while the Gorani request dates to 2013 and is by a user who apparently only appeared for this purpose. So we'll probably end up merging the second into the first. But I don't think we need to be in a hurry. Leave the merge tags on, and when I get up to 2013 Wikipedia requests, we'll address it then. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia

Hi, I know I ask you all time the same thing, but it's really important for me ! I just wanna know if it's possible that you can activate the project now because we have filled the pages, as you asked us, we have not filled all the pages yet, but we are trying to fill all the pages pages by the end of this month, we have all already filled over 1,500 pages(we have filled all the pages of these list : Artik vital Nivo 1, Artik vital Nivo 2 and Artik vital) and we just miss it to fill about between 500 and 750 pages, but please activate the Guianan Wikipedia because it will make almost one year I work every week on this project, and it's not really a problem for me because I like to believe that I give my language a chance to grow and open up to the world, but I think it'll be better if you activate this language because I'm losing some hope and especially the community too (FanmDjok and Léon973) about this project, it's not that we wanna give up, it's just, you know, one year and nothing has changed, just please, I don't intend to do for after leaving and forgetting the project, no I wanna develop the project and see it grow again and again and it's really to save my native language who starts to disappear a little because of the French language in French Guiana, I would like to give to my language a chance to be reborn, but for that, we need you to activate and officially create the Guianan Wikipedia, so please activate the project please !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

M. leGuyanais, et vos amis: J'ai vous dis plusieurs fois qu'il faut augmenter vos pages. Un projet où toutes les page sont ébauches ne sera pas approuvé. Ne créez plus d'autres pages; concentrez vos efforts sur l'augmentation des pages qui existent maintenant. S'il vous plaît!

Faites ça pour deux mois, et après parlons-en à nouveau. OK? StevenJ81 (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Encore, on a passé ce mois-ci à remplir plus de la moitié des pages qui existent déjà ! Mais bon si vous voulez que l'on les remplissent toutes, on va le faire, d'accord !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 03:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

We did it StevenJ81, as expected we filled the most possible page, we worked a lot during these holidays and on two months as you asked us. Now as promised please activate the language, create the Guianan Wikipedia please !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 13:52, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

How to make approved Cantonese Wiktionary/Wiktionary projects?

What steps should be done to make verified the above projects to make verified for Cantonese language in Wiktionary I want to know.Thank you!—Asdfugil (talk) 00:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Asdfugil: Are you asking how to get the Meetei projects marked "eligible"? If so, there isn't much for you to do, really. I simply have to get around to them. At this point I'm running back and forth between old unresolved requests and new requests, so please be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:54, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

For approval, you have to wait for several decades (maybe 2050?) until phab:T30441 get fixed. --125.38.13.62 00:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I meant how to get the project approved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asdfugil (talk) 11:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually, this project is very close to being approvable. Just do the following;

1. Do your best to finish translating the core message group at translatewiki.net.
2. Do your best to have at least three registered editors make at least ten edits on the project every single month. See Catanalysis here. Currently, this project is borderline, and I could probably get LangCom to pass on it. But if this doesn't go to LangCom until August, do be sure to have three editors working in August as well.
3. Keep working on the project in Incubator in the meantime.

StevenJ81 (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Asdfugil: I'm afraid that I currently can't agree approving, because as that IP user pointed, there's code renaming request existing for this language, this means that if we approved and created this project before renaming that Wikipedia, there will have many bugs that too hard to fix. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Not your call. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Rename no.wikipedia to nb.wikipedia

I need help from langcom on decision of this RFC. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:27, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Request to approve wp/zgh

Hello langcom,

We have translated all messages in MediaWiki (most important messages), and over 30% of the total Core MediaWiki messages, and we keep translating and adding content. So, please check if this is enough to be approved or we still have something to do.--Brahim-essaidi (talk) 18:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Brahim-essaidi: In a way, you are at a very difficult stage of the process right now. After all,

• You've translated the interface enough for an approval.
• The test project is active enough for an approval.
• There are 750 pages or so in the test.

So what's missing? In one word, detail. The project is improving, but it still has too many stubs (ébauches). An active project will always have some, to be sure. But a solid Wikipedia needs for its articles not to be mostly stubs.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who just uses Wikipedia to look things up. You will tend to go to a well-established Wikipedia, like French or English, and look up what you want to look up. On that page, generally, you will find a reasonable amount of detail. You'll find references to support why the articles say what they do—and that you can use if you want more detail. In other words, you'll find an encyclopedia article. If the pages do not have that kind of detail, then you won't have learned what you want to learn. And if that happens enough, you'll stop using Wikipedia to look things up.

A new project like Wp/zgh is never going to have as many pages as an established project. But the pages that exist need to have a reasonable amount of detail, for the very same reason. If people start trying to use Tamazigh Wikipedia and find that the pages do not have enough meaningful detail, they'll stop using it. And then all your work will be a waste.

And that's why we don't approve projects until their pages are better developed. The reason this stage is difficult is because it's hard to quantify this requirement.

I went to 20 random pages on Wp/zgh. Of those, exactly one page was not a stub (and it didn't have a reference). Exactly one other page had a reference (but it was a stub). And one other page tried to have a reference, but a template needed fixing. That's what you need to fix to get this project approved.

What you really need to do at this point is this: Do not make any more pages right now. Instead, take the pages you have already that are only a few sentences long. Add content to them and add references to them. As your goal, have the pages reach at least the level of Start class on English Wikipedia or l'avancement Bon Début on French Wikipedia. Once you've made good progress on that, let me know. I really want to get your project approved, but I need to see progress along these lines first. Good luck. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Thank you sir, I will transmit this to the project contributors to work on it together.--Brahim-essaidi (talk) 22:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Wikipedia/ Moroccan language wp/ary

Hello everyone,

The Moroccan language (learn more) is widely spoken by more than 30 million people, it is technically characterizing the native language of North Africans. I would like to show to the our community a more sophisticated Wikipedia version by suggesting you to approve the language. There is a great potential for Moroccan moderators to start developing this new perspective of Wikipedia when it comes to their native language. Here is some work which has been done in the last couple years: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/ary/

I request you to approve the language on Wikipedia as a first initiative. Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nassimosaz (talk) 15:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Nassimosaz: Thank you for making the request. You are right that some good work has been done recently. But right now the test project is not ready to be approved, for a few reasons:

• Right now, the project has fewer than 100 pages in main article space. We normally don't approve projects that small.
• Right now, the project does not have enough regular activity. For a project to be eligible for approval, there must be a community including at least three registered editors making at least ten edits per month each for a minimum of three straight months, and then continuing to approval.
• We cannot approve a project when the most important MediaWiki interface messages have not yet been translated at translatewiki.net.
• I encourage you to contact people who are active on the Algerian Wikipedia test project (incubator:Wp/arq). They are actually trying to build a project that would address all of Maghrebi Arabic. While Language Committee will address each test project on its own merits, it would probably like to see a unified Maghrebi project instead of separate Moroccan and Algerian projects that are very similar.

If you have any other questions, please let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:25, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

verified as eligible: "There is now sufficient content and activity to mark as eligible." ?

I saw that "There is now sufficient content and activity to mark as eligible." is now being used as the reason in Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ainu 2 for why the proposal is not classified as "verified as eligible". Was there any rule changes that occur recently that made "sufficient amount of content/activity" being enough to mark a project as verified? And if so, what's the threshold needed? C933103 (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

No changes. Proposals get put "on hold" when they are ostensibly eligible but nobody has actually started creating content (or created a few pages at the time of the proposal, then disappeared). In that case, I saw that people had started to create content, so I marked as eligible. In the future, requests will be allowed to go on hold for no more than one year, then will either be marked eligible or stale. But a case like this is part of the transition as I try to clear out the backlog. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposing soft-close on Albanian Wikinews

Albanian Wikinews hasn't had a new article for at least three years since this (linked) article. If I create a separate subpage of closure proposal, the result would be soft-close, which I previously proposed at its (near-empty) village pump. The discussion hasn't made progress for one week, so I'm re-proposing the soft-close here. If I must create a separate subpage, then I must do so. --George Ho (talk) 17:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't think you have to. The reason the others did that was that the original proposal was to close and lock. This would constitute a decision by the community itself to soft close. That said ...

I would suggest the following: Find someone at Albanian Wikipedia and post a notice there (in Albanian), and give people another week on that. If nobody objects, then someone should post a soft-close page (in Albanian) on Albanian Wikinews, moving the original main page, etc., as described in the Finnish Wikinews discussion. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I did a week ago what you suggested and am awaiting the next move. --George Ho (talk) 05:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I think you've done what you needed. See if User:1l2l3k is willing to write up a note for you; it really ought to be in Albanian. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Update: the consensus agreed to soft-close the project. George Ho (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Cantonese Wiktionary

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Cantonese Wiktionary. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 14:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Under which domain? Can we please just use yue.wiktionary.org? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:35, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

That's the plan. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:42, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

request for approval for Wiktionary Cantonese

It is pretty active right now and the language is widely spoken.It also has more than 1700 pages right now.—Asdfugil (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll have a look in the next few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 02:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Asdfugil: I need one more consecutive month of activity with three registered users making ten or more edits each (during September 2018). If I get that, I will put this project up for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Done—There are not less than 3 contributors with more than ten edits this month.You can put this project up for approval. —Asdfugil (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

@Asdfugil: Thank you. Give me a day or two and I'll get it in front of them. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

@Asdfugil: Please see your talk page on Incubator and respond. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Consider approving Wikinews Limburgish?

Per [2], I can see at least 3 contributors contributed many contents in their test project, while there are some oppose users on the proposal, as a real legal fan, I'd say that those oppose reasons are mess-political, that claiming Limburgish is just dialect of Dutch, which isn't always true as per [3], to me I don't see any other reasons than this "kind of nonsense" to against approval of it. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: Your call as to whether this project is ready. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, as it looks like it has kept its current activity level for half a year with nearly each day a new page, it might be ready. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Fine. Per a discussion we had elsewhere, though. You're part of the current activity level. Will you stay involved? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, as long as the community remains active, I will make sure new contents is regularly added, the same way I do now. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:53, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

OK. I will put this in for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikinews Min Dong Chinese

I request an early-bird verification of this proposal, because FWIW they're going to run an edit-a-thon in their test project, but without eligiblity verified, their edit-a-thon may be illegal. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Illegal? What utter nonsense. --MF-W 13:45, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Who knows what's illegal in the PRC? I don't know. But it's eligible, in any case. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Limburgish Wikinews

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Limburgish Wikinews. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Shan Wikipedia

The test project is active enough and have more than 1000 content pages. Please review the Shan test wiki for the final approval. Thanks. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 12:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

They have been working hard and focussed on creating long pages, so the stub ratio has decreased a lot. I think that's a good sign for final approval. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 16:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

I think I can take this to LangCom now. I will do so tomorrow, my time, as I have a couple of other items to address today. In the meantime, @Ninjastrikers, please be prepared to identify an academic/linguist expert on the language—preferably one without strong ties to the test—who can verify the content of the test (from a language point of view). StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @StevenJ81. I will inform about this to Shan community. @‎Saimawnkham, could you please find someone who is a Shan language expert? Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 15:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes @Ninjastrikers. We have one, a Shan language expert and he is ready for participation. Thank you all. Saimawnkham (talk) 14:02, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Shan Wikipedia

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Shan Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

To the community there: thank you for having an expert ready. LangCom will probably ask around using its own resources first, and then I'll get back to you if they do not have someone in a reasonable amount of time. Please be just a little patient, though: approvals of first projects in a language tend to take longer than approvals of subsequent projects in the same language. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

New language project: Ladin Wikipedia

My name is Alexander Senoner and I am a native speaker of the Ladin language. I would like to contribute to the creation of a Wikipedia in the Ladin language. I would initially set myself a goal of writing 1 or 2 articles a day in order to slowly build it up. I was wondering whether this project could continue. I have added some information about possible settings in Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ladin. Due to the small number of Ladin speakers, I have not yet found anyone else who would support it, but I have a few people in mind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asenoner (talk) 12:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Alexander, welcome. We're glad to have you.

Go to Wikimedia Incubator, at page Wp/lld. There you will find a community already at work creating a Ladin Wikipedia. I'm certain they would be happy to have you join them.

Additionally, there is a group adding Ladin-language documents to Multilingual Wikisource. I am certain you can help there, too.

If you have any other questions, please let me know.

PS: Always sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end.

StevenJ81 (talk) 14:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Asturian/Asturleonese

There's currently a topic on on Wikidata's translators' noticeboard asking for Asturian to be renamed to Asturleonese (link) but this isn't really anything to do with Wikidata. Can someone here help?

A couple of people from the Asturian Wikipedia are opposed to it, but there seems to be a bigger issue here, since they say that Leonese isn't allowed on the Asturian Wikipedia, but the ISO code "ast" appears to have always included both Asturian and Leonese (according to this page, it was added to ISO 639-2 in 2001 with the names "Asturian", "Bable", "Leonese" and "Asturleonese" and hasn't been changed there or in ISO 639-3 since). I have no idea what Wikimedia does in cases like this.

- Nikki (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Nikki: Hi. This ends up being not at all simple.

• You're absolutely right about how SIL and LOC address names in ISO 639–3 and ISO 639–2, respectively. But I am told that language names at Wikimedia are drawn from the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR). That's why language names are not available for definition at translatewiki.net. As far as I know, the only way to change a language name is to get it changed there first.
• As I know I don't have to tell you, projects generally have nearly complete autonomy in decision making. Consequently, it would be very hard to force the Asturian Wikipedia to accept content in the Leonese variant/dialect. On the other hand, there are other projects who manage that quite nicely; see, for example, Allemanisch Wikipedia, which has content in Alsatian, Swiss-German, Badisch and Swabian—and Swabian has its own language code, as far as it goes. So I would certainly encourage that project to be more open about variants.

I'm not sure what else I can do, except perhaps to copy and paste this over to Wikidata. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Saraiki Wikipedia

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Saraiki Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

So two weeks past and any concerns available here? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: I cannot mark this approved until LangCom verifies the language. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Narom should be protected for a period now

Because it seems that some destructive discussions made by some IP users. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:06, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm watching. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

That "IP user" has now admitted that this was you, Liuxinyu970226... You've lied repeatedely and used these IP as a very bad way to create a "sockpuppet"... Worse, you've definitely compromized your privacy on Wikimedia and associated your online activiy with everything you've done elsewhere on any other site (so now search engines and advertizers can add your public Wikimedia profile to your private IP-based profile they've collected everywhere else) ! verdy_p (talk) 04:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not Liuxinyu, to the best of my knowlwdge, I'm Xu Jiayi, although I'm also currently living in China (I was born in Malaysia). You pointed a wrong man in this section, Please cancel your invalid point. --117.15.55.22 05:41, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Also Your so-called point of I'm Liuxinyu does not have any evidence in either ways, Please say sorry to him, and the edit war is based on you not me. You're insulting all the Chinese peoples around the world. --117.15.55.22 05:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

The real lied man is you, Please say sorry to Chinese communities!!! --117.15.55.22 06:01, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

You are also not right: the policy is using ISO codes not BCP47 codes, Please also say sorry to StevenJ81 because you're lied here not Liuxinyu! --117.15.55.22 06:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

StevenJ81 Please also remove his translation administrator because he is damaging my real translation!!! --117.15.55.22 06:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not did such admitation! Please say sorry for your anti-Chinese-ism here to me and to @C933103: you're insulting all Chinese peoples! --117.15.55.22 06:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not lieing here! He isn't using my IP addresses!! I'm not his sockpuppet!!! I'm also not compromizing my private because I never published them!!!! You are using all caps to insult Chinese such as NEVER (which means that No Evidence Verified that you're Born in People's Republic of China but Russia) which is antiethnographism!!!!! ---117.15.55.22 06:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Please don't spam messages here and don't ping people for irrelevant things. C933103 (talk) 06:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Liuxinyu970226 you're bedding with Verdy_p to remove my real translations Please restore them otherwise I'll kill you both!!!!!-c 117.15.55.22 06:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@117.15.55.22: I have read what you wrote on the proposal page, please try not to be irritated and retaliate with offensive comments even after reading messages that you perceived as offensive, especially please do not make comments that contain personal threats. C933103 (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@Verdy p: If I am reading the edit history correctly, what Liuxinyu970226 said in this edit is probably related to the comment he made at this edit where he was simulating the tone of the IP user, which he later retracted and said sorry about it probably after feeling inappropriate about it and thus in no way show they're related? @Liuxinyu970226: please comment and clarify about it. C933103 (talk) 12:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'm trying to warn the 117.* to not insult that user, I don't know why such warn can also make connection between that IP and I. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Given the constant agressive tone of IP 117.*, and the fact he never stops and now spams everyone else, it's time to ask for blocking that IP user. He does not even help the Narom community that will feel better without this IP user to defend calmly their position and better negociate about what they can do. We have a solution for them, if they exist. But let's not confuse a whole community oif legitimate Name users with what one of them is doing abusively (he would likely be as well agressive with other Narom users if there's any disagreement on minor things and it would be equally dangerous for them to start working on the wiki, with that IP user not being able to negociate anything with anyone and spamming insults and nominative attacks everywhere he can to force his position like he does.). So I request a gradual response to educate that IP user: a temporary ban of at least one week. If he comes back and restart with the same attitude, the ban can be reactivated for a longer time. An admin with IPCheckUser privilege should inspect the Wikimedia logs to see if he is continuing or if he has other accounts. verdy_p (talk) 13:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: some Google search on that IP address shows easily that this user is wellknown for abuses on various websites in Chinese, Russian, Arabic, Greek, Korean... Various links are found associating that IP with "term of uses", "spam complaints", "insults", "harassment"... Apparently I don't think there's a way for Wikimedia to educate him, given his past everywhere else. And it seems that many IP addresses in this range are used by malwares/spambots. Most probably this is an anonymizing proxy built from stolen resources. I don't think there's lot of risk for Wikimedia to block that range which was used voluntarily to hide real users. verdy_p (talk) 13:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

The address is a normal address being assigned by China Unicom to its users within the Tianjin province, according to first google search hit. C933103 (talk) 14:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I have closed the previous discussion and summarized it. I have called for a much narrower second discussion on the page. For the moment, I am going to leave that discussion unprotected. However, I will be very aggressive about reverting inappropriate conduct on the page. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Activity at Kazakh Wikibooks

I raised an issue at Kazakh Wikipedia about recent activity at Kazakh Wikibooks, but I've not yet received a response. I am concerned that most of the content at Kazakh Wikibooks is either not educational or not resembling textbook material. One user's contributions concern me the most; one page looks like either a fictional story or something. I can't tell whether it's educational or not; I couldn't understand the language. If here is not the suitable venue, where else can I address this? George Ho (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@George Ho: Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

• Kazakh is in Google translate; can you take a first stab at checking this?
• Similarly, you could machine-translate your question, at least, at kkwiki.
• In most cases, content within a project is autonomously managed. "Central Wikimedia", whatever that means, rarely jumps in unless there's a copyvio or BLP issue involved. Why not ask the question at kkwikibooks itself?

If you get no response at either wiki in another week or so, I'll take to LangCom. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

kkwikibooks's community portal is rarely visited, especially by reading the history logs. Also, kkwikibooks currently lacks local admins and bureaucrats. I figured that I can raise the issue at kkwikipedia, but as said, I've not yet received a response for one month. BTW, here's the translation of one page and two more pages via Google Translate. George Ho (talk) 03:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: More than a week later, my post at kk-WP got translated into Kazakh, and only the involved party replied. After that, no one else replied. Also, I also posted the notice at kk-WB, but I still got no replies there. George Ho (talk) 02:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@George Ho and StevenJ81: So is soft-closure also applies to Wikibookses? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Can something be done about bad content first before soft-closure, Liuxinyu970226? George Ho (talk) 06:14, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

There s no closure request, and as far as I can see no reason to close, even if certain items need to be deleted as out of scope. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Any word from LangCom or Board of Trustees about this? George Ho (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@George Ho: What, exactly, do you want? There is not a request to close the project, and as far as I can tell, nobody is asking to do that. There is presumably some valid content in the project, too. What I think probably needs to happen is for you to go to SRM, give the stewards some evidence that (a) someone is using the project inappropriately, and (b) some content should be deleted, and ask them to act.

I don't think soft closure applies here. Either there is valid content—and then the stewards should remove invalid content—or there is no valid content at all, and then you should request a project closure. Try working through the stewards first. StevenJ81 (talk) 23:33, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Nheengatu

In 2008 someone started the discussions about start an Neengatu Wikipedia. Someone may see if it is ready do be accepted or denied? Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Erick Soares3: The project remains eligible. It is not, however, anywhere close to being approvable. Here's what's missing:

• There has been no interface translation at translatewiki.net.
• There is not enough activity on the test project. There must be a minimum of three registered editors making at least ten edits a month over three consecutive months, and continuing until approval.
• The project is not remotely complete enough to be considered for approval. The test project has fewer than 100 mainspace pages. The project needs at minimum several hundred pages, and a good portion of them need to be more than stubs. (There is not a minimum number of pages set by policy, but as a practical matter, unless the project is being explicitly backed by a Wikimedia Foundation affiliate, we can't even start thinking about an approval until there are 300–400 pages there, most of which are not stubs.)

If you have any further questions, please let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Tacawit Wiktionary

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Tacawit Wiktionary. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

Note: the interface translation for this language at translatewiki.net is coded as shy-Latn, not shy. Nevertheless, it exists, and meets requirements.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

So this is the first ever (IIRC) language to have its Wiktionary approved before Wikipedia? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not aware of others, but you'd have to ask someone who's been around longer than I have. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Neapolitan Wikisource

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

The LangCom intends to approve Neapolitan Wikisource. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 03:31, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Manchu/Xibe language

In Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Manchu 2, it was said that, "Xibe and Daur are different languages. If you want to create projects in Xibe or Daur, please make separate requests.". However, I have recently encountered an extract from a document published by Tsumagari Toshiro, a linguistics professor who specialized in Tungusic languages, when he participated in a meeting about Manchu Studies at Korea University in year 2016, which mentioned that there are limited amount of information about spoken information on the Xibe language [as in text that transcribed how people in Xibe language say things directly] despite the relatively large amount of speakers it have, because the literary language used by Xibe speakers are de facto unchanged from the literary language of Manchu. However I cannot locate the source of the publication as I was reading it from an anonymous post on internet that quoted this extract by taking a photo of it.

Given this information, should the precaution be removed or re-worded so that contributors are also encouraged even if they are speaking the Xibe language, as long as what they wrote are standard Manchu?

C933103 (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@C933103: Makes sense. It would be worthwhile if you could find the source and add it to the the request page for reference. But I'll try to play around with the language on the page a bit. (Might take me a day or two to get to; I'm not sure.) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Anyway, Xibe does have its own ISO 639-3 code sjo; likely Daur dta. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Look, policy still dictates that languages that are "not different enough" (definition open for now, and let's not go there for the moment) do not necessarily each get a project. And in this particular case, Ethnologue on sjo says "Inherently intelligible of Manchu (mnc)". So if the written language is the same, even if the oral language is different, someone has to prove that there is a reason to create a future Xibe (or Daur) project anyway. As I said, I'll work on the wording, but I'm ok with this (conceptually) for now. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

OK. Reworded. Is everyone comfortable with that? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Hindi Wikisource

Hi, What does need to be done to create the subdomain for the Hindi Wikisource, i.e. m:Requests for new languages/Wikisource Hindi? Regards, Yann (talk) 05:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

:There are still 159 untranslated messages in MediaWiki. Also, the following untranslated messages need to be translated because these extensions are used for Wikisource: Cite, Collection, Confirm Edit, Gadgets, Ogg Handler, Proofread Page, Vector, Licenses, Wikimedia messages. John Vandenberg 06:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

@Yann: Last 8 years the Hindi community not fulfill this minimum task. Jayantanth (talk) 18:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

And it is quite impressive that Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Hindi and Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Hindi approved so quickly, but this request have been hang by 10 year span, requested in 2008.Jayantanth (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

It does not appear that the project has been active enough. We need to see at least three registered users having ten or more edits each for at least three consecutive months. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

OK, I have forwarded this to several people who speak Hindi. We had a workshop in Bangalore last month, and several people have expressed interest to work on this. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I saw increased activity on this test project in November. You must continue this level of activity for December and January, and then we can talk about project approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:27, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikisource language name.

So, there is that Literary Chinese Wikisource request.

I am personally in favor of creation of a Literary Chinese wikisource with reasons listed on the request page, despite there are some realistic concern about cost of migration and future cost of maintenance which might make such an action unfavorable.

One of the alternative solution I can think of is to turn Chinese Wikisource into a multilanguage wiki so that it can be more convenience to users that want to seek, read or contribute Literary Chinese documents without knowing modern Chinese

However that might not be enough to attract users from other non-Chinese speaking region. For instance, currently the Chinese Wikisource is known as "Chinese Wikisource". But, while Literary Chinese is also seen as part of Chinese in other related countries, according to my understanding they are commonly being included as part of Japanese/Korean language education, and as such with a system similar to the current system, regular user might not be able to correlate Chinese wikisource to be a place where they can get their desired Literary Chinese document.

One of the method that might be able to help with the problem is to change the Chinese Wikisource language name in those other mentioned languages so that it is explicitly pointed out that "Han text" or "literary language text" - literal translation to variants of LZH name in different languages - are also included in Chinese Wikisource by changing the translation for "Chinese" as a language name for wikisource project.

However such change should only applies to wikisource and shouldn't influence other wiki project because it does not applies to other wiki projects.

Is this something technically achievable? C933103 (talk) 07:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

It may be tricky to do this, because language names seem to be drawn from the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository, and need to be changed there to make a difference here. I don't necessarily know if they can be overridden locally using a MediaWiki namespace page; you'd have to ask a developer about that.

I'm inclined to think the following two actions (done together) might mostly do the job:

• Notice on the main pages (and village pump-equivalents) of the appropriate WS projects that lzh content is to be found in ...
• Make sure people know that you can always choose your interface language, even on a wiki that is not nominally multilingual, using Special:Preferences.

Where it gets harder here is on document headers/descriptors and on discussion pages. And I have to admit that I'm leaning toward explicitly asking the sysops on Chinese Wikisource how amenable they would be to either (a) making the wiki multilingual, (b) at least activating the "Translate" extension so that certain pages could have translations in multiple languages or (c) at least allowing parallel document descriptions on pages having more to do with Vietnam, Korea, Japan, etc. than China. If that community is agreeable, then I think the best approach is likely to be to let all the content stay there, and to try to focus everyone's work there. If not, then we may need to allow duplication. (And to be perfectly candid: it is always allowable for things to live on multilingual Wikisource, and in the short run that would be the solution supporting duplication anyway.) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Here's what French Wiktionary considered about this: We can install Translate extension, use Special:Pagetranslation to configure all the necessary pages to zh, so that all such pages can be translated from zh. But a reminder: We won't break the CLDR, so in general the language name is impossible to be changed just by your heart. --117.14.250.175 07:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Why would it be related to French Wiktionary? C933103 (talk) 12:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@C933103: My understand of this comment is, per phab:T138972, the Translate extension is also nowadays available on French Wiktionary, so as you said locally at zhwikisource: "倒是可以考虑把中文维基文库非内容部分多语言化。", that IP user suggests to also install Translate extension to Chinese Wikisource, so that policies, help pages, templates, (maybe) modules and (maybe) MediaWiki messages that don't exist on twn can be translated (to lzh iirc) locally. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Manchu

Another newly created request, verify it? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'll get there in due time. But consider the following points:

• Except (maybe) in the very most obvious of cases, giving everyone a few days to comment is no bad thing, even if these are not true votes (or even !votes).
• I never mark eligible until I check and see if someone is actually working on the test. It means I just don't say "yes"/"no"; it takes at least a little bit of time and effort. I don't want these sitting and lingering, but I just cannot always make these my #1 priority at all times. I'm a volunteer, too.
• Related: I strongly do not wish to set up expectations anywhere that people can demand instantaneous service on RFL requests. At the most benign, that expectation puts more pressure on volunteers like me. At the most malignant, people can create relatively unserious requests and send us running to no good cause.

It is for these reasons—the last, especially—that I have explictly asked you NOT to ping me every time a new request is filed. Understand that there are pretty much no circumstances where a new request will appear and I won't notice it within a week. And I am very troubled that you do not seem to be willing to respect the work I do by accommodating that request. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not pinging you here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

When you put this kind of request on this page, you are effectively pinging me here. If I (or another LangCon member) don't get to a request in, say, a month, then go ahead and tell us to get off our butts and act. But please don't do it any sooner than that. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The table of closed requests should not be collapsed.

This really should go on Talk:Requests for new languages, but that redirects here. The table of closed requests should not be collapsed. It is important to see and be able to search for all projects in a language without having to go down and separately open up the closed request table.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree, and have changed it back. (I left it as a collapsible table, but with its default position expanded.) StevenJ81 (talk) 11:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

But the opened table also results Mobile users like me to have to waste too much traffic fares to load, @Prosfilaes: have you ever considered mobile users? --180.97.204.29 23:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

It shouldn't matter. You're still downloading the table, open or closed.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:12, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

If someone creates a css class that will show the table on computers but not download it at all on mobile devices, I'd certainly be willing to add that in. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Mon Wikipedia

The test project of Mon Wikipedia is being active since August 2018, especially the users, Htawmonzel, Aue Nai, and Ninjastrikers. There are also some other active consturbutors from September. We would like to request for final approval for a subdomain for Mon Wikipedia.

The best regards, Htawmonzel

I'll look into it shortly (probably at the beginning of next week). StevenJ81 (talk) 14:19, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Htawmonzel, Aue Nai, and Ninjastrikers: Looks good. I will submit to LangCom later today (my time). As is true for all projects that are the first to be approved in a language, this will need language verification from an academic or professional linguist, preferably one without strong ties to your test project. Please try to have one in mind in case I ask you for one. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:55, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Mon Wikipedia

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

The LangCom intends to approve Mon Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page before December 31. (I'm leaving this open longer than usual because of the upcoming holidays, as many people's ordinary on-line routines are likely to be disrupted over the next couple of weeks.) StevenJ81 (talk) 23:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Request for new language /Wikipedia Meetei Lon

I like to write an article in Meetei language as well as in Meetei Mayek script . So, kindly give some steps or process to allow. A Mangang (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new language /Wikipedia Meetei Lon

I like to write an article that can be written in Meetei Mayek as well as in Meetei language. A Mangang (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

[[Category: request for new language|STemplate:Meetei Lon]]

[[Category: request for new language|STemplate:Meetei Lon]] I like to write an article that can be written in Meetei Mayek script . A Mangang (talk) 12:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)