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This is a proposal for closing and/or deleting a wiki hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. It is subject to the current closing projects policy.

The proposal for closing w:simple: is currently open for discussion by the community.

  • Type: 1 (routine proposal)
  • Proposed outcome: closure
  • Proposed action regarding the content: move to Incubator
  • Notice on the project: none provided
  • Informed Group(s):

In the Simple English Wiki I keep seeing vandalism and it stays there for months and no one fixes it. I request that the Simple English Wiki project be closed because it is not being managed properly. Kerim Demirkaynak (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kerim Demirkaynak: have you notified the community about this yet? We'll deal with the other nuances with this after you've notified the community. --SHB2000 (t • c) 09:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...and for the record, I too oppose per EPIC. I certainly wouldn't support creating a simple project today, but it exists in decent shape. Vandalism/spam alone isn't a reason to propose closing a wiki. --SHB2000 (t • c) 11:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Just going to kick this off, I see no reason to close the project; what was said in the last request still applies. Most wikis have to deal with vandalism every now and then; it is not an issue only for simplewiki, nor is it a reason to close a project. They have a healthy and active community and over 250.000 articles, and the vandalism/spam issues aren't so crucial that local admins cannot deal with it - I've found that most of it can be handled in a matter of time when reported to local administrators. In the closing note on the last request, it was said that "Requests to close this project that are based on "inactivity" or "vandalism" will probably also be closed speedily, unless things change pretty radically at Simple English Wikipedia". Has the situation changed "radically" since then? No. Then this can IMO be speedy closed. EPIC (talk) 10:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Addition: I too agree with SHB2000 that I probably would not have supported creating this project today (and it also wouldn't meet today's standard for new projects), but I think the wiki along with its community has evolved so much to the point where I think it is many years too late to even consider closing it. EPIC (talk) 11:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose vandalism is not a reason to close a project Atlantic306 (talk) 18:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the nomination at Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Simple English Wikipedia (3). Simple English Wikipedia continues to be a duplicative, underresourced content fork of English Wikipedia that has never gained meaningful traction. This proposal isn't developed enough to go anywhere, but that's a shame. Sdkb talk 14:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I think the simple Wikipedia has some worth, but the problems it does possess are apparent. Still, it's no reason to close the wiki. --87.116.165.163 15:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Simple English Wikipedia should not be closed at all, besides it not a vaild reason Theblackmidi72 (talk) 05:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose if you are so concerned about vandalism (which I am too) then go to Special:RecentChanges and revert some vandalism. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose closure. Vandalism is not a valid reason for closure. This should be handled as a request for comment for attention regarding vandalism on simplewiki. As the wiki has substantial valid content, there is no reason to close the Simple English Wikipedia. Eyesnore (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose for many reasons: vandalism is not a reason, proposer didn't fulfill notification requirements and the community is large enough to not warrant a closure. ToadetteEdit (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ToadetteEdit And how about the language code this project uses? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Liuxinyu970226, I do not care about the current language code, but by far simplewiki can't use any ISO language codes as they are reserved for other languages. Per ISO 639:s sim and smp, the ISO 639-3 codes I would expect to host projects in Simple English, are reserved for Mende (Papua New Guinea) and Samaritan languages respectively. In the event a new Wikipedia in these language would ever be created in the near future, a database move would be required; it can also confuse the site matrix. To conclude, Simple English isn't a real language, nor can it be defined a constructed language; as far as I know, simplewiki was created as an enwiki for English learners. ToadetteEdit (talk) 11:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What does that have to do with this closure request? --SHB2000 (t • c) 12:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think they might implicate that a potentially wrong code makes a project invalid, but that's not the case because code 'simple' is not even part of ISO639-3 and there are also possibilities to move projects to new code languages, see ie. Requests for comment/Rename no.wikipedia to nb.wikipedia. But that's not either in scope of this request nor a rational action to take on. A09|(pogovor) 13:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Comment We have reached the FOURTH REQUEST to close this project already? Goddamn people really hate the simple English wiki. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 12:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support After getting curious and trying to see what's wrong with it and there are too many duplicates of the same topics, Nationalism and vandalism existing in large numbers.
There are low numbers of administrators that can handle of all of this, I suggest closing or trying to increase the number of administrators that are knowledgeable on the topics that get commonly vandalised. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 13:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As already pointed out neither lack of articles/overall short articles nor rate of vandalism are valid arguments for closure of this project. On the second hand, many currently established Wikimedia Foundation projects are experiencing admin/functionaries shortage and this problem is not unique to simplewiki only. A09|(pogovor) 13:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is I barely even looked far on the wiki to find vandalism and errors I just searched up a controversial topic and found tons of vandalism.
As I stated it should have more administrators that focus on these topics, I didn't claim its unique to simple wiki only.
(I'm also not completely supporting the closure topic either, I just want it to be administrated better). Kirkukturk3 (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Rationale does not present any valid reason to close simplewiki. I have addressed some potential arguments pro closure above this comment, please see them as well. Simplewiki is neither a small community with no content growth since its inception nor are vandalism/content shallowness a valid argument for closure of this project. The presumed wrong language code argument is nonsensical to me and is addressed above.--A09|(pogovor) 13:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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