CentralNotice/Request/Wikimedia Sound Logo contest 2
Wikimedia Sound Logo contest 2
[edit]- Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and MPourzaki (WMF) (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log), primary contacts (Requested at 20:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC))
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What countries will your campaign target?
Banner/Campaign Diet:
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What is the purpose of the campaign? How will you measure the success of the campaign?
[edit]Metrics -
What banner(s) will you use? What will be your landing page?
[edit]Landing Page - There with be one URL with different UTM parameters per language
Discussion
[edit]Central Notice admin comments
[edit]- I can take care of this after 6 November. —DerHexer (Talk) 22:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, DerHexer! Because of delays in vetting the finalists (we had more submissions to go through than expected!), we pushed back the voting start date by a week. I've updated the request to reflect the resulting shorter voting period. Also, while we're still requesting a cookie reset in the middle, that's now a reset at one week in. If you think that's too many banners, we are open to changes! Ed WMF [talk] 18:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ed Erhart (WMF): I've created a new campaign and banner (no clones because otherwise translations would have been copied as well; while you are looking for new translations in non-supported languages). Please check this (the VOTE NOW looks a bit odd, imo) and provide the link to the landing page in time. May I ask why only these projects are invited to vote for the logo? I think that everybody is interested in that phase (different from the previous one, maybe). Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 18:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hello DerHexer, and apologies for my delay while I've been dealing with an illness. (I also initially missed these when they were posted, so I've updated my preferences to email me whenever I'm mentioned.)
- Thanks so much for this work. The button looks like it reads "vote today" now, and I can run its appearance past our team. That said, I think we'd also welcome any guidance you'd have for improving it.
I'm pushing for the landing page link and will get it possibly as soon as today, or more likely shortly after this week's US holidays. - On projects, I copied them from the previous request but you're very right to point out that more people would be interested. We would be happy to open it up to all Wikimedia content projects + Meta-Wiki. Ed WMF [talk] 18:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Here's where the landing page will be! Ed WMF [talk] 19:36, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ed Erhart (WMF): Some remarks:
For me, it still reads as “VOTE NOW”. Where do you see “Vote today”? Or do you want me to change it to that text? Textual decisions are yours, I don't have much opinion about that.
I think that it's not necessary to make all projects aware of that. It's a global campaign and would be approved for all projects (by me =) ).
You mislinked https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sound_Logo_Vote ;D. In the banner, I have changed the general link to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Sound_Logo_Vote and added direct links to the initially supported languages. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 10:09, 24 November 2022 (UTC)- @DerHexer: To your first question, I'm seeing "vote today" at Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/soundlogo_phase2_reg. Is that not being reflected somewhere else?
- That solution sounds great!
- Ach, yes. Been a long time since I made a typo like that. :-) Adding Special:MyLanguage is perfect—thank you for that tweak! Ed WMF [talk] 07:18, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- I can see “VOTE TODAY” now. Everything ready then? Including the translations, Mehrdad has mentioned below? Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 13:25, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @DerHexer, I just entered the translations. Please check from your end. We have been discussing to decrease the number of times the banner is shown to only once to not bombard people, especially during this key period with fundraising banners and POTY. What do you think? We can then use other means like email lists and social media to remind people to vote. What are your thoughts? MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 19:28, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MPourzaki (WMF): I've marked the translations as published. That should do then. I also think that one reminder won't hurt much. 2 impressions per cycle would be fine with me. Good luck with the voting! Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 19:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Two impressions works great! Thanks, DerHexer, for all your help here, before, and elsewhere. :-) One last request along the line of thought raised by Mehrdad... can you change the banner start date to 8 Dec? As he said, we're worried about bombarding people and this would give some space between all those messages on social media etc. Ed WMF [talk] 16:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Done; end date also moved by 2 days. Less overlap with my staff campaign on CentralNotice/Request/WMDE promoting volunteer support 2022 either. ;D Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 16:45, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, so sorry DerHexer but voting will close on 19 Dec. Getting a banner after that would be very confusing. :-) Can you change the end date back? Or, maybe even better(!), could you set it to 23:59 18 December so no one gets a banner at the literal last minute? Ed WMF [talk] 18:09, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- That makes sense, done. —DerHexer (Talk) 18:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @DerHexer, a final FINAL change from our end, grateful for all your flexibility and support. Considering the en.WP RfC discussions and sentiments, we didn't want to be insensitive and will reduce the scope of the banners to only Meta-wiki and Commons. Would you be able to make that change? MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- This makes no sense to me. It's a project important for each and every Wikimedia wiki. For English Wikipedia especially. Please reconsider. I will change it once you re-confirm. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 21:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- The sensitivity we are conscious of is just about the banners and we definitely don't want to take away from the significance of this project to all communities. We now have a bigger job of reaching more people in the next two weeks by other means. We'll try to reach as many people as we can via messages on village pumps, outreach on social media, Telegram, Discord, and other community channels, a corresponding Diff post and reminder, and notices on email lists. It's the best we could think of given the circumstances. We see Meta as of course our central wiki space and Commons because of this project's relevance. We can also see how thing are going after week 1 and reassess. We thought to start light and non-intrusive. MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 15:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- This makes no sense to me. It's a project important for each and every Wikimedia wiki. For English Wikipedia especially. Please reconsider. I will change it once you re-confirm. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 21:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @DerHexer, a final FINAL change from our end, grateful for all your flexibility and support. Considering the en.WP RfC discussions and sentiments, we didn't want to be insensitive and will reduce the scope of the banners to only Meta-wiki and Commons. Would you be able to make that change? MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- That makes sense, done. —DerHexer (Talk) 18:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, so sorry DerHexer but voting will close on 19 Dec. Getting a banner after that would be very confusing. :-) Can you change the end date back? Or, maybe even better(!), could you set it to 23:59 18 December so no one gets a banner at the literal last minute? Ed WMF [talk] 18:09, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Done; end date also moved by 2 days. Less overlap with my staff campaign on CentralNotice/Request/WMDE promoting volunteer support 2022 either. ;D Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 16:45, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Two impressions works great! Thanks, DerHexer, for all your help here, before, and elsewhere. :-) One last request along the line of thought raised by Mehrdad... can you change the banner start date to 8 Dec? As he said, we're worried about bombarding people and this would give some space between all those messages on social media etc. Ed WMF [talk] 16:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MPourzaki (WMF): I've marked the translations as published. That should do then. I also think that one reminder won't hurt much. 2 impressions per cycle would be fine with me. Good luck with the voting! Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 19:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @DerHexer, I just entered the translations. Please check from your end. We have been discussing to decrease the number of times the banner is shown to only once to not bombard people, especially during this key period with fundraising banners and POTY. What do you think? We can then use other means like email lists and social media to remind people to vote. What are your thoughts? MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 19:28, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- I can see “VOTE TODAY” now. Everything ready then? Including the translations, Mehrdad has mentioned below? Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 13:25, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ed Erhart (WMF): Some remarks:
- Here's where the landing page will be! Ed WMF [talk] 19:36, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ed Erhart (WMF): I've created a new campaign and banner (no clones because otherwise translations would have been copied as well; while you are looking for new translations in non-supported languages). Please check this (the VOTE NOW looks a bit odd, imo) and provide the link to the landing page in time. May I ask why only these projects are invited to vote for the logo? I think that everybody is interested in that phase (different from the previous one, maybe). Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 18:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, DerHexer! Because of delays in vetting the finalists (we had more submissions to go through than expected!), we pushed back the voting start date by a week. I've updated the request to reflect the resulting shorter voting period. Also, while we're still requesting a cookie reset in the middle, that's now a reset at one week in. If you think that's too many banners, we are open to changes! Ed WMF [talk] 18:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
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[not a CN admin] Were there specific requests about not displaying this banner? My impression is the objections on enwp were specifically to fundraising banners, not to the idea of banners. I dare say there's just as much risk in upsetting people by only running these on Meta/Commons (a different long-term gripe about too many important things happening on venues most Wikipedians don't visit). Probably worth just asking (assuming this conversation hasn't already taken place), even if it's a tight turnaround time. i.e. "We're about to run banners for the sound logo contest. Before we do, I want to make sure there aren't objections to that kind of banner being displayed. We're prepared to run it only on Meta and Commons if so." Food for thought, anyway. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please also have a look at CentralNotice/Request/Picture of the Year 2021. —DerHexer (Talk) 08:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Per what DerHexer wrote there, opening this here. Courtesy ping to Ed Erhart (WMF). In short, POTY is being run quite late in the year, and doesn't have much flexibility for scheduling. Round 2 is tentatively planned to overlap with this notice. I don't have enough experience with centralnotices to know the technical/stylistic implications. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hey Rhododendrites, apologies for my delay, the reasons for which are above.
- We are happy to compromise with POTY—being an editor myself, I'm well aware of how important that is! Could we split the impressions 50/50? Or we could run these at a lower priority so that editors will see POTY first and sound logo later (assuming I'm correctly understanding how priority works). Ed WMF [talk] 18:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- That all sounds reasonable to me. Thanks, Ed. Courtesy ping to Legoktm, who's taken the lead on running this year's POTY. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Fabulous, thank you very much! Ed WMF [talk] 19:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- The later has technical challenges: It depends on the diet of the one campaign if it ends and allows a second campaign. I'm not sure about cookie resets here, etc. (Nobody seems to know how it really works technically …). I strongly recommend a 50:50 or similar percentages. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 10:09, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- Gotcha, thanks DerHexer. Let's do 50:50 then. Ed WMF [talk] 07:18, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- That all sounds reasonable to me. Thanks, Ed. Courtesy ping to Legoktm, who's taken the lead on running this year's POTY. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hey DerHexer, whenever you've had the chance to prepare the banners, let me know to upload the translations. Ciell had pointed out the translation glitch, which means in the end you may have to approve them? Did I understand that correctly? MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 23:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- @MPourzaki (WMF): See the conversations above: The banner is prepared and some questions open for Ed. Translation administrators maybe have to mark the translations as published what we can easily do. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 23:16, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hey DerHexer, whenever you've had the chance to prepare the banners, let me know to upload the translations. Ciell had pointed out the translation glitch, which means in the end you may have to approve them? Did I understand that correctly? MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 23:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hey, thanks for your thoughts @Rhododendrites. Any suggestion where we could pose this question to the en.WP community? It's not too late. We could always run the first few days on Commons and Meta-Wiki, then for the second and last week, do a once around wider reach on all projects. MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 23:14, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'd imagine one of the village pumps. Probably the WMF Village Pump. I can open that thread if you prefer -- up to you. I'd just be casually bringing it up; effectively "hey there's some hesitation about running any banners following the recent rfc. WMF offered to only run the Sound Logo banners on Meta and Commons if there are objections to them, but my impression is most here would want Wikipedia users to know about that. Should the banners proceed as planned?" or something along those lines. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- @MPourzaki (WMF): Am I misreading the settings, or is this about to launch to hundreds of projects, not a very few as noted on enwiki discussion board? — xaosflux Talk 21:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note, this isn't an "objection" - just making sure we are all on the same page. — xaosflux Talk 21:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux, I messed up the flow of the conversation by placing my comment on the topic but out of chronology. This is the original request indeed that we worked on with the great DerHexer here. On December 2, please see above, we requested to limit only to Meta and Commons for project scope purposes and not disturb others with banners. MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 21:51, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- The current settings say:
commons, wikidata, wikipedia and wikisource
in languages:All except kjh, sh-cyrl and sh-latn
; so it doesn't appear that that limiting happened. @DerHexer: would you confirm the correct targets are selected? — xaosflux Talk 22:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)- I can confirm that the settings are now as proposed some days ago. I am happy to change them later when conversations have clearer outcomes. —DerHexer (Talk) 03:18, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- As there were no objections on enwiki, I added enwiki to the campaign. — xaosflux Talk 10:32, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Split to original and wikipedias. Feel free to add additional wikipedia languages if supported by normal processes. — xaosflux Talk 15:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Suppose technically this added "Wikipedia's, where the user interface is in English"... — xaosflux Talk 15:19, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- The current settings say: