Community Wishlist Survey 2020/Wikisource/Improve export of electronic books

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Improve export of electronic books

Original title (Français): Améliorer l'exportation des versions électroniques des livres

Problem: Imagine if Wikipedia pages could not display for many days, or would only be available once in a while for many weeks. Imagine if Wikipedia displayed pages with missing information or scrambled information. This is what visitors get when they download books from the French Wikisource. Visitors do not read books online in a browser. They want to download them on their reader in ePub, MOBI or PDF. The tool to export books, WsExport, has all those problems : on spring 2017, it was on and off for over a month; after October 2017, MOBI format was not available, followed by PDF after a while. These problems still continue on and off.

Since the project was finished sometime in July or August 2019, the stability of the WsExport tool has improved. Unfortunately there has been downtimes, some up to 12 hours. The fact that the tool does not get back on line rapidly is a deterrent for our readers/visitors.
1. September 30 : no download from 10:00 to 22:00 Montreal time
2. October 30 : no download for around 30 minutes from 13:00 to 13:30
3. October 31 : no anwser or bad gateway at 22:10
4. November 1st : no download from 17:15 to 22:30
5. November 2 : no download from 10:30 to 11:40
6. November 2 : no download or bad gateway from 19:25 to 22:46
I have tested books and founds the same problems as before.
1. Missing text at end of page or beginning of page (in plain text or in table)
2. Duplication of text at end of page or beginning of page
3. Table titles don't appear
4. Table alignment in a page (centered) not respected
5. Text alignment in table cell not respected
6. Style in table not respected in MOBI format
7. And others
More information can be found on my Wikisource page
For all these reasons, this project is resubmitted this year. It is an important aspect of the Wikisource project: an interface for contributors and an interface for everyone else from the public who wishes to read good e-books. --Viticulum (talk) 21:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Français: Imaginez si les pages Wikipédia ne s’affichaient pas pendant plusieurs jours, ou n’étaient disponibles que de façon aléatoire durant plusieurs jours. Imaginez si, sur les pages Wikipédia, certaines informations ne s’affichaient pas ou étaient illisibles. C’est la situation qui se produit pour les visiteurs qui désirent télécharger les livres de la Wikisource en français. Les visiteurs ne lisent pas les livres en ligne dans un navigateur, ils désirent les télécharger sur leurs lecteurs en ePub, MOBI ou PDF. L’outil actuel (WsExport) permettant l’export dans ces formats possède tous ces problèmes: au printemps 2017, il fonctionnait de façon aléatoire durant un mois ; depuis octobre 2017, le format mobi puis pdf ont cessé de fonctionner. Ces problèmes continuent de façon aléatoire.

Depuis la fin du projet en juillet ou août 2019, la stabilité de l'outil WsExport s'est améliorée. Malheureusement, il y a eu des temps d'arrêt, certains jusqu'à 12 heures. Le fait que l'outil ne soit pas remis en ligne rapidement peut être dissuasif pour nos lecteurs / visiteurs.
1. 30 septembre : aucun téléchargement de 10 h à 22 h heure de Montréal
2. 30 octobre : pas de téléchargement pour environ 30 minutes de 13 h à 13 h 30
3. 31 octobre : pas de réponse ou mauvaise passerelle 22 h 10
4. 1^er novembre : pas de téléchargement de 17 h 15 à 22 h 30
5. 2 novembre : pas de téléchargement de 10 h 30 à 11 h 40
6. 2 novembre : pas de téléchargement ou mauvaise passerelle de 19 h 25 à 22 h 46
J'ai testé des livres et trouve les mêmes problèmes qu'avant.
1. Texte manquant à la fin ou au début de la page (dans le texte ou dans un tableau)
2. Duplication de texte en fin ou en début de page
3. Les titres de table n'apparaissent pas
4. L'alignement de la table sur une page (centrée) n'est pas respecté
5. L'alignement du texte dans la cellule du tableau n'est pas respecté
6. Style dans la table non respecté en format MOBI
7. Et d'autres
Plus d'informations peuvent être trouvées sur ma page wikisource
Pour toutes ces raisons, ce projet est soumis à nouveau cette année. La communauté Wikisource accorde une importance haute à cet aspect du projet : une interface pour les contributeurs et une interface pour tous les autres utilisateurs du public souhaitant lire de bons livres électroniques. --Viticulum (talk) 21:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who would benefit: The end users, the visitors to Wikisource, by having access to high quality books. This would improve the credibility of Wikisource.
This export tool is the showcase of Wikisource. Contributors can be patient with system bugs, but visitors won’t be, and won’t come back.
The export tool is as important as the web site is.
Français: L’utilisateur final, le visiteur de Wikisource, en ayant accès à des livres de haute qualité. Ceci contribuerait à améliorer la crédibilité de Wikisource. L’outil d´exportation est une vitrine pour Wikisource. Les contributeurs peuvent être patients avec les anomalies de système, mais les visiteurs ne le seront peut-être pas et ne reviendront pas. L’outil d’exportation est tout aussi important que le site web.

Proposed solution: We need a professional tool, that runs and is supported 24/7, as the different Wikimedia web sites are, by Wikimedia Foundation professional developers.
The tool should support different possibilities of electronic book, and the evolution of ebooks technology.
The different bugs should be corrected.
Français: Nous avons besoin d’un outil professionnel, fonctionnel et étant supporté 24/7, comme tous les différents sites Wikimedia, par les développeurs professionnels de la Fondation Wikimedia. Les différentes anomalies doivent être corrigées.

More comments: There are not enough people in a small wiki (even on French, Polish and English Wikisource, the three most important by the size of their community) to support and maintain such a tool.
Français: Nous ne sommes pas assez nombreux dans les petits wikis (même Wikisource en français, polonais ou anglais, les trois plus importantes par le nombre de contributeurs) pour supporter une telle application.

Phabricator tickets: phabricator:T178803, other issues: https://github.com/wsexport/tool/issues
Proposer: Candalua (talk) 16:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC), copy-pasting the previous one by Consulnico (talk) 10:06 with 113 enforsements, 7 November 2018 (UTC), from the 2017 proposal by Viticulum, with 54 endorsements.[reply]

Discussion

Voting

Support MichaelSchoenitzer (talk) 23:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Bodhisattwa (talk) 06:40, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Le ciel est par dessus le toit (talk) 09:25, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Kaviraf (talk) 09:31, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Consulnico (talk) 11:37, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support a very important problem, export is a core functionality (perhaps the most important one), export should be easy and texts should be properly rendered. VIGNERON * ^discut. 11:38, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Lyokoï (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Manseng (talk) 13:05, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support MartinPoulter (talk) 14:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Ypirétis (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Like tears in rain (talk) 16:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Hildepont (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 17:29, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Vieux têtard (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pamputt (talk) 21:40, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sadads (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Viticulum (talk) 21:51, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support support Balajijagadesh (talk) 05:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Hrishikes (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Libcub (talk) 08:12, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Although the ideal solution would probably be to give a grant to PediaPress in the order of 10^5 $ to make the Collection extension actually export usable formats. Currently the extension was made completely useless by mw:OCG and its successors. Nemo 09:03, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Geert Van Pamel (WMBE) (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alan ^Talk 12:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Support JLTB34 (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support there is problem in Gujarati Wiki source also while we convert it into mobi format the left half margin is is blank virus text is concentrated on right half margin--Sushant savla (talk) 13:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alf7e (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Boehm (talk) 23:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support DraconicDark (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support FreeCorp (talk) 05:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Emptyfear (talk) 17:17, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Move it off VPC and make it an officially WMF-supported tool. This, that and the other (talk) 01:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pymouss Tchatcher - 11:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support *•.¸♡ ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕𝕒𝕣𝕤𝕙𝕒𝕟 𝔹𝕖𝕟𝕚𝕡𝕒𝕝 ♡¸.•*^{𝕋𝕒𝕝𝕜} 17:09, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support I support this needed improvement Mathieugp (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Ernest-Mtl (talk) 02:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Shizhao (talk) 02:59, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sebastian Wallroth (talk) 10:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Eatcha (talk) 12:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Gilles.Sahut (talk) 12:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support JogiAsad (talk) 13:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Please also implement for non-latin and rtl languages. Naḥum (talk) 13:33, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Yodin^T 14:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Benoit Rochon (talk) 15:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support 游魂 16:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support So9q (talk) 18:59, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sgvijayakumar (talk) 19:10, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Eunostos (talk) 20:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ninovolador (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Vkalaivani (talk) 22:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Risker (talk) 05:02, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Hsarrazin (talk) 14:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support β₁₆ - (talk) 14:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Geonuch (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Thibaut120094 (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Bonvol (talk) 20:20, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Zdzislaw (talk) 20:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wolan (talk) 21:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nawider (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is so critical to unleashing the true power of Wikisource. We are generating a really valuable library behind the scenes, but the public is unable to "check out" our materials in the way many people are accustomed to doing this (e.g., downloading to their e-reader device). People do not generally do long-form reading through a web browser Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:55, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 02:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Atudu (talk) 03:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support RolandUnger (talk) 07:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Maitake (talk) 09:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Acélan (talk) 13:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support ··· 🌸 Rachmat04 · ☕ 14:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pyb (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Himiltruda (talk) 20:21, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Joanna Le (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Toto256 (talk) 22:41, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wellparp (talk) 19:09, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Draco flavus (talk) 10:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Marajozkee (talk) 14:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support εΔ ω 17:19, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Support Now the tool adding only the transclusion contributor name. This is create unsatisfaction among the contributors.Try to include all contributors names or avoid any name. Info-farmer (talk) 02:04, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mahir256 (talk) 07:34, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Jules78120 (talk) 09:11, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Gurtej Chauhan (talk) 14:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Candalua (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Poslovitch (talk) 17:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Jan Kameníček (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rahmanuddin (talk) 06:49, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ruthven (msg) 12:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Too. Much. Needed. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 13:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Geraki ^T_L 13:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Omshivaprakash (talk) 14:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Vearthy (talk) 17:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Novak Watchmen (talk) 17:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]