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Page exist and link is red
Why “tig” link in page List of Wikipedias/sortable is red also if tig Wikipedia home page is existent? 176.200.81.192 16:53, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- All interwiki links are blue regardless; only local links can be red or blue based on the existence of a local page on Meta. You should now see the blue "tig" link. ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Where else to re-propose restricting new users from interwiki-uploading?
Besides enwiki and arwiki, where else can I re-propose? I attempted a Community Wish, which was then "archived"... or rather declined by the WMF as policy-related. The Commons community has favored restricting newest (or non-confirmed) users from crosswiki-uploading files into Commons. So have arwiki and enwiki. Shall I re-propose at dewiki, Meta's RFC, or where else? George Ho (talk) 16:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think that a request for comment is the best way to go. Having to notify each community individually would be time consuming. I am willing to start a RfC if you agree. This will require a massmessage to every prominent page on every wiki, so that the wider community can share their thoughts here. ToadetteEdit (talk) 16:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ToadetteEdit: Please feel free to go ahead and start the RFC then. George Ho (talk) 09:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where is the decline? How is this not solely a commonswiki issue? Isn't that the only project impacted? — xaosflux Talk 21:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- phab:T370598 is still open. This seems to simply be a commonswiki request of Don't let users upload files to our project using certain methods unless they meet certain criteria, correct? As they have already decided that via community discussion, where is the place that WMF staff has told them their request will be refused? (link please). — xaosflux Talk 22:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect by "refused" George Ho simply means nobody has gotten around to doing it. * Pppery * it has begun 00:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- It also sounds like this isn't an existing configuration setting to just be toggled, and no one has volunteered to write patches to support it. Are we missing something here @George Ho? — xaosflux Talk 05:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux and Pppery: Link to the refusal... unless it's not a "refusal"?: Community Wishlist/Wishes/Disallow or restrict non-confirmed users from cross-wiki uploading files to Commons. George Ho (talk) 09:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well lets go right to the source: @JWheeler-WMF: is this concept something that the foundation would block for deployment on WMF servers without additional specific actions from communities, if so what? If this is simply a matter of not spending paid developer effort, I'm assuming that wouldn't prevent volunteer effort (along with the thousand and thousands of other backlogged phabricator feature requests). — xaosflux Talk 12:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux and Pppery: Link to the refusal... unless it's not a "refusal"?: Community Wishlist/Wishes/Disallow or restrict non-confirmed users from cross-wiki uploading files to Commons. George Ho (talk) 09:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- It also sounds like this isn't an existing configuration setting to just be toggled, and no one has volunteered to write patches to support it. Are we missing something here @George Ho? — xaosflux Talk 05:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect by "refused" George Ho simply means nobody has gotten around to doing it. * Pppery * it has begun 00:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- phab:T370598 is still open. This seems to simply be a commonswiki request of Don't let users upload files to our project using certain methods unless they meet certain criteria, correct? As they have already decided that via community discussion, where is the place that WMF staff has told them their request will be refused? (link please). — xaosflux Talk 22:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Comment Hi everyone, I opened a discussion since August 25 on arwiki, Most of the discussion participants agree to restrict non-(auto)confirmed users from uploading files to Commons. Gerges (Talk) 11:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
I agree that cross-wiki uploads are a problem, but I don't think autoconfirmed status is enough. About two years ago I tracked certain cross-wiki uploads for four months, and what I found was that the Upload dialog is used mostly by inexperienced users. Almost half of the circa 250 images were deleted, and there are still many that should be checked. The WMF study confirms what I learned from my data. Editors who upload images straight from the editing window have no understanding of copyright in Wikimedia setting, yet they're "allowed" to upload images with just a couple of clicks. That hurts the copyright holders, the volunteers who clean up the mess, and also the uploaders who get discouraged when their images are deleted, sometimes without them even realizing it. From page 22 in the study, a comment from one participant: "I don't need to know what CC A-SA 4.0 is. I trust Wikipedia to do the right thing." Yikes. Each wiki should be able to decide the userright threshold for cross-wiki uploading in their wiki. -kyykaarme (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, but global restrictions against non-(auto)confirmed users are the best way forward for all wikis.
Each wiki should be able to decide the userright threshold for cross-wiki uploading in their wiki.
- We can't just await every community's decision on how to resolve this, can we? They can individually decide how to set the boundaries between autoconfirmed and extended-confirmed statuses, but every wiki (if not almost) seems reluctant to challenge/oppose proposed restrictions against non-confirmed users. George Ho (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- The blocking is not the problem every Commons admin can simply set the current AbuseFilter they are already blocking some uploads to block all uploads from users without the required rights. The problem is that if we do this this way people still see the dialog and get an error message at the end of the process. We need to hide the tool or mark it as unavailable for users without the required rights on Commons. GPSLeo (talk) 19:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I did some testing with a new user account and figured that blocking non-confirmed users from cross-wiki uploading is better than doing nothing. (It takes a bit more "effort" to become confirmed on Commons than what I had thought.) But why not do it with the Abuse Filter? Sure, it's not user-friendly, but the filter already has more than 3 million hits and it matches hundreds of uploads a day. (So what's a few more.) A small portion of the uploaders manage to upload their image later with the Upload Wizard, which is what we want new users doing. If the Abuse Filter option turns out to be a huge disaster, it can be reverted back to the restrictions it has now. kyykaarme (talk) 12:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- The blocking is not the problem every Commons admin can simply set the current AbuseFilter they are already blocking some uploads to block all uploads from users without the required rights. The problem is that if we do this this way people still see the dialog and get an error message at the end of the process. We need to hide the tool or mark it as unavailable for users without the required rights on Commons. GPSLeo (talk) 19:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Started the RFC yesterday: Requests for comment/Restrict non-confirmed users of all wikis from crosswiki-uploading files to Commons. George Ho (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)