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Join the Movement Charter Regional Conversation Hours

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Hi all,

As most of you are aware, the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) is currently collecting community feedback about three draft sections of the Movement Charter: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (intentions statement).

How can you participate and share your feedback?

The MCDC is looking forward to receiving all types of feedback in different languages from the community members across the Movement and Affiliates. You can participate in the following ways:

• Attend the community conversation hours with MCDC members. Details about the regional community conversation hours are published here
• Fill out a survey (optional and anonymous)
• Share your thoughts and feedback on the Meta talk page
• Share your thoughts and feedback on the MS Forum:
  • Preamble
  • Values & Principles
  • Roles & Responsibilities (statement of intent)
• Send an email to: movementcharterwikimediaorg if you have other feedback to the MCDC.

Community consultation hour for the United States and Canada will take place on Monday, 5 December 2022 on Zoom. You can check out more times here. The conversations will not be recorded, except for the section where participants are invited to share what they discussed in the breakout rooms. We will take notes and produce a summary report afterwards.

If you want to learn more about the Movement Charter, its goals, why it matters and how it impacts your community, please watch the recording of the “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” sessions which took place earlier in November 2022.

Thank you for your participation.

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee,

MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talk) 13:51, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

About the page title of Steward requests/Username changes

Hello, I have a question on the page title of Steward requests/Username changes. I had posted the question on October but there is no answer and it is now being archived. As most renames are done by global renamers, I have no idea why this page is placed in the subpage of Steward requests. Should this page being moved to other titles, such as Requests for username changes? 132.234.135.53 05:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Movement Charter: End of the community consultation round 1

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Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC), we would like to thank everyone who has participated in our first community wide consultation period on the Movement Charter.

People from across the Movement shared their feedback and thoughts on the content of the Movement Charter. If you have not had the chance to share your opinion yet, you are welcome to do so still by giving the drafts a read and filling out the anonymous survey, which is accessible in 12+ languages. The survey will close on January 2, 2023. You are invited to continue to share your thoughts with the MCDC via email too: movementcharter@wikimedia.org.

What’s next?

The Movement Strategy and Governance team will publish the final report with the summary of the feedback received in January 2023. It will be shared with the MCDC and the communities via different distribution channels.

After receiving the final report, the MCDC will review the suggestions and communicate the changes by providing an explanation on how and why suggestions were or were not adopted in the next versions of the drafts. There will be additional ways to engage with the Movement Charter content in 2023, including early feedback on a proposed ratification process and new drafts of different chapters in the second quarter of 2023.

We invite you to sign-up to the MCDC monthly newsletter, it will be delivered to the Talk page of your choice. Monthly updates are available on Meta to remain updated on the progress of the MCDC.

Interested people can still sign-up to become a Movement Charter Ambassador (MC Ambassador) to support their community. The MC Ambassadors Program grant program will restart accepting applications from both individuals and groups ahead of the next round of consultations in the second quarter of 2023.

We thank you for your participation, time and effort in helping to build the Charter for our Movement!

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee, MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talk) 12:47, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Challenging actions administrator Q-bit array

Today, this person siphoned off all my edits for no reason, accusing me of bypassing a lock that was blocked indefinitely. It is not so impossible to contact this person, since he also closed his discussion page from me. Please tell me what to do if the administrator of the Russian-language Wikipedia is so rude to everyone? Zaykadin (talk) 11:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Enwiki what block? Zaykadin (talk) 05:09, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

wikimedia should not block logged in users even if they use blocked ip

in https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/DUHTE6FSKQB6PX4QD5GWX3OHXFYUHPT5/ they say:

VPN IP addresses, which are used for obvious privacy reasons, are blocked in sight by any administrators pursuant to policy against open proxies.

i confirm it... i also used vpn this year and as i remember, i have seen this problem. (i wanted to make some bug report, left it for later, and forgot, and now remembered).

i believe this behavor of wikimedia sites is wrong, a bug. because: the reason for blocking ip is to prevent vandalism. if a user is logged in, it can be blocked by username, additional block by ip is unnecessary, excessive, and harmful, because prevents users who use alien ip for other reasons, not to vandalise. QDinar (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Qdinar when project administrators place blocks on IP addresses they already have the option to block or not block logged in users from those addresses. For example see here: block A, block B; in block A - logged in users are not also blocked. Blocking is generally used to prevent "disruption", not necessarily only "vandalism"; and there are many ways someone can be disruptive. — xaosflux ^Talk 21:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

how blocking ip for logged in user may be useful? QDinar (talk) 12:38, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Qdinar for example if you are being disruptive, I may block you, and your underlying IP address - so that you can't just change accounts and continue to be disruptive. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

i think it is very unlikely that "i" cannot change my ip address. low probability. but when somebody uses vpn and would like to edit something, it is of much higher probability. so, this makes much harm and little good. QDinar (talk) 12:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@Qdinar not sure what else you want here? Admins can already choose to block or not block logged in users from IP addresses that they block and each project makes their own blocking policies, for example: w:tt:Википедия:Блоклау; additionally projects may choose to exempt accounts from IP blocks that otherwise affect others. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I think QDinar was especially talking about VPN blocks and it's a valid concern in my opinion. VPN blocks are often hard-blocks and global, which means they affect logged in users in all wikis. I use a VPN myself and the blocks are one reason why I edit less than I used to. (I had to turn it off to post this comment.) VPNs are becoming more popular and for new users this could be a barrier that stops them from even beginning to edit. kyykaarme (talk) 19:14, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Please note, any project that disagrees with a global block may override it. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Status of mover

I have seen that on various wikipedias there is the possibility of assigning the status of mover to some users . If we wanted it, would it be possible to obtain this also for the Lombard-language Wiktionary (lmo.wiktionary.org)? Gat lombard (talk) 14:47, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

@Gat lombard it's possible, what is the issue that lmowikt is trying to solve? Note, all autoconfirmed users on lmowikt may already move an entry. Projects with custom groups often have a special workflow about redirects that they need to manage. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux It was a question in order to understand if it is possible to assign the status of mover to a user who is able to do this but does not yet have the skills to be an administrator. It is true that autoconfirmed users can move entries, but they cannot do so by overwriting and without leaving a redirect.--Gat lombard (talk) 08:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux In any case how would it be possible since currently the "mover" group does not exist in https://lmo.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:UtentiAtivi --Gat lombard (talk) 08:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Gat lombard based on wikt:lmo:Special:Statìstegh, a request for a special group is likely to be declined as that community is too small. It is technically possible. First lmowikt would need to have a community discussion to establish a consensus that it is needed, and define how that project will manage it; then request a configuration customization request such as this one: phab:T212662. — xaosflux ^Talk 11:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux We are discussing the matter here.

Our Wiktionary has no bureaucrats. If approved, who would assign the status of mover? Would he/she be a meta steward as well as for sysops?--Gat lombard (talk) 20:34, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@Gat lombard that would be up to the community, normally groups like that are managed by admins -- but as lmowikt also has only 1 (temporary) admin this also speaks to the "too small" situation. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:48, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Translation of the Wikimedia Foundation wiki and other sites

Hello, could you please let me know how to go about translating the sidebar on the Wikimedia Governance wiki?[1] I can't find neither any equivalent to {{edit request}} there nor any discussion site except for this one. Could you also please let me know where to translate the official site and similar sites? Thank you in advance. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 16:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I asked the same question a while ago and was told it’s done on translatewiki.net and we’ll need to set up a separate account [ETA: I don’t know how to translate the official site or similar sites.] — Al12si (talk) 02:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Al12si. I have been very active on translatewiki.net and afaik these messages are not available there. For example, I can't find the message for "Official website" or for "Questions for Wikimedia?" Please let me know if I am mistaken (for example, by providing a link). --TadejM ^{my talk} 02:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

@GVarnum-WMF: --Nintendofan885 (talk) 18:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)