Group 7: Using citations and bibliographic source metadata

Merge of Lounge and Room 123

Etherpad: Group 7

Attendees

Alphabetical by first letter

Group 1 / Lounge

Andrea Zanni (Wikisource) / Aubrey
Chiara Storti, (Wikimedia Italia, Rete bibliotecaria di Romagna e San Marino)
Chris Keene (Jisc)
Chris Wilkinson (eLife Sciences)
Erika Herzog (Wikimedia New York City)
Jens Nauber (Die Sächsische Landesbibliothek – Staats- und Universitätsbibliothek Dresden (SLUB) (Saxon State and University Library Dresden (SLUB)))
John Kaye (Jisc)
Katie Filbert (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
Lambert Heller (Technische Informationsbibliothek (TIB) (German National Library of Science and Technology))
Luca Martinelli (Wikimedia Italia)
Lydia Pintscher (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
Mairelys Lemus-Rojas (University of Miami Libraries)
Marielle Volz (Wikimedia Foundation) (attending remotely)
Markus Kaindl (Springer Nature)
Merrilee Proffitt (OCLC Research)
Nettie Lagace (National Information Standards Organization (NISO))
Rachael Lammey (Crossref)
Susanna Giaccai (Wikimedia Italia)

Group 3 / Room 123

Adam Becker (Open Journal, Freelance Astrophysicist)
Adam Shorland (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
Daniel Kinzler (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
Daniel Mietchen (National Institutes of Health (NIH), organizer)
Elizabeth Seiver (Public Library of Science (PLOS))
Joe Wass (Crossref)
Jonathan Dugan
Karen Coyle KarenCoyle.net
Laura Rueda (DataCite)
Terry Catapano (Plazi Verein / Columbia University Libraries

Report

This session included report-backs from each of the previous sessions, from Lounge and Rm 123. The group then had a vibrant series of discussions explaining issues and resolving the understandings learned from each smaller session with the combined, larger group.

Notes and links

Data Model of Citation

See (bottom of) https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WikiCiteRoom123

UUID
Citation Target (pointer to bibliographic metadata, during transition contains wikitext)
Target Anchor
Citation Origin
Origin Anchor

Example Citation Object: <syntaxhighlight lang="json">

   {
       uuid: 12399392929
       target: {
           resource: wikidata item or uri or plain old wikitext, for legacy support
           anchor: difficult! needs to be robust, depends on type of resource. See Hypothesis project
       },
       origin: {
           resource: wiki page name or id  --> can be turned into a URL
           anchor: difficult! some kind of offset? <-- two anchors next to each other might compete with other ideas
       }
   }

</source> Made available via the MediaWiki web API for every revision of a page.

Questions

Do we need qualifiers for the type of citations (eg. critques, agrees with)? -> see CiTO Ontology
Has to be resistant against editing.

Existing inline citations {{#cite:PMID:234939}} will be surrounded by an anchor:

_-_{{#cite:PMID:234939}}_-_

It is a function not a template: Compare {{cite|PMID:123}} and {{#cite:PMID:123}}

Wikitext references would stay as they are (with a wrapping template):

<ref>{{cite|title=Something}}</ref>

For consumers of the data more structure is an advantage.

from the 123 etherpad:

UUID #UUID-identities citation object. generated on demand. do we need this in wikitext?
Citation target (URI) #bibliographic database object /or/ wikitext (with templates/parameters)
Target Anchor #chapter, page, etc. This is optional, but can only come from the wikitex
Citation origin (URI) #Wikipedia page specific revision
Origin anchor #point or range. some kind of offset

How to refer to a source?

You can use items to store a reference <-- scalability problems
You can link to a statement (but the references may change and suddenly not support a claim) (or even be "imported from: $language Wikipedia")
You can link to a reference to a statement <-- a bit controversial
Reusing a reference is an indicator that a reference should be converted to an item.

There are claims that can be sourced with references that already have an item (es. "Italy has this list of regions" <-- source: QCONSTITUTION OF ITALY (QConstitution of Italy))

Cultural problems:

Treat all citations the same?

How do the statics change when Wikidata community decides that something is notable or not.

If source is not notable, they won't be items, and won't show up in certain statistics.

References should lead you somewhere. The ones in Wikidata are actionable and the ones as <refs> don't. Creating two types of references.

A possible solution would be to have a separate Wikidata for citations and references that can "discuss" with Wikidata proper and other sources repositories ( = Librarybase?)

Who would maintain it (access, maintainance, policies, ...)?

Who or what would fill in the necessary data? Will we need to found a new community?

Blast from the past: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Source_items_and_supporting_Wikipedia_sources <-- a much more restrictive RfC we had in the past about setting up a new namespace (with different rules) for RELIABLE sources