User talk:Naleksuh
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[edit]Hey Naleksuh, and one more thing I have to say... I wanted to tell you that having your own userpage has some kind of benefit to it. Happy editing, Naleksuh! 114.149.109.20 00:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I just saw that your group is IP Block Exempt, Naleksuh. 2604:3D08:627D:A00:998D:15CC:F596:BD56 17:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Your RFC
[edit]In my experience and view of things, none of the proposals presented are likely to pass. There is only the smallest window of time to convince people to sanction editors, and it has likely closed in this case. If you would like advice for the future, please let me know. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- @MJL: Thank you for your message. I have been keeping an eye on proposal 3. However, that said, I do not find it largely problematic if my proposals do not pass. The world will not end from it. In addition, I expect to see more proposals or even a WMF ban in the coming months. I'll admit there are things I could have handled better in submitting and handling the RfC. I also know that there were people who were less-than-civil to me and I had to be civil to them anyway. So I do appreciate the kind message from you. If you do have more specifics advice for the future, let me know. Naleksuh (talk) 20:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
"casting aspersions"
[edit]@Tks4Fish: Please review my comment at Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Block_for_Naleksuh. The "casting aspersions" is not true, as I provided multiple evidence for the claims on the talk page, and was even able to prove another users reply wrong. In addition, the filer made claims that I was "interacting with myself" etc when I wasn't, which further shows the case should have been completely thrown out. Naleksuh (talk) 20:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Also, the discussion was still ongoing as seen here. That comment requires a response from me, as it is continuing to accuse of invalid use, which I can prove false again. So this is at the very least premature and I would like to at least to participate in the discussion. Naleksuh (talk) 20:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- "Casting aspersions" is not correct. Block summary states that it was "without providing evidence, even after being asked to do so or to retract". This is false, both because evidence *was* provided here and because I actively addressed the response and proved multiple statements wrong. In addition the request Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Block_for_Naleksuh had multiple errors, citing that I did not provide proof even when I did provide proof, and making several claims which were proven false, such as claiming I was responding to myself when I wasn't. The filer later retracted this claim, but replaced it with a second, also false claim, which I am required to respond to that as well, which the block during an active conversation disrupts (in addition to being based on false information and claiming there was no proof provided when there was) Naleksuh (talk) 20:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Also, I have read the talk page multiple times, and, unlike what Tks4Fish's summary claims, nobody suggested that I retract the claim, yet another sign that this is a frivolous block. Naleksuh (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Unblock request declined
This blocked user has had their unblock request reviewed by one or more administrators, who has/have reviewed and declined this request. Request reason: See above Decline reason: I don't favour a removal of the block at this stage. This is based on the person who made the request and the quality of the people supporting the action. I would be willing to listen to the argument that we put the block in place until after the completion of the stewards' election in 2023, which would make it a ~13 month block. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC) বাংলা | English | español | français | magyar | italiano | 한국어 | Plattdüütsch | Nederlands | українська | 中文 | edit |
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Naleksuh asked me to comment here. This is tough because I'm on friendly terms with both Naleksuh and Operator and with one of the other editors against whom Naleksuh is said to have cast aspersions. Here's what I think is going on here.
It's seems weird that a block request based on making accusations without proof only shows two diffs as proof. If Naleksuh really has exhibited a pattern, not just two posts but a pattern, and bad enough to merit not only a block but a non-expiring block, then there should be a whole lot of diffs of Naleksuh doing that. Such proof may exist, but it is not shown in the block request thread. Naleksuh also says that they did provide proof when asked, and we can see they provided something. I did not check the links to assess their quality, but there's no point. It's likely that Naleksuh thinks they provided adequate proof and Operator thinks they did not, and we'd have to get deep, deep into that. I will say that I've had far worse things said about me with no proof. I didn't notice anyone actually asking Naleksuh, "Would you please withdraw what you said about V" in that thread. So I'll do it: Naleksuh, will you here withdraw the accusation that said V "lacks basic decency"? Because we all know proving that is not something any person can do. I observe that Naleksuh's unblock request does not address the second accusation Op made, which is that Naleksuh used more than one account at a time, in violation of CLEANSTART. I reread CLEANSTART and it does say that it's not okay to use two accounts at the same time, with an inferrable "even if they don't interact." Naleksuh, would you please acknowledge that you used two accounts at the same time in a way that broke the rules and will you promise not to do so going forward? Operator has acknowledged that they did not interact with each other, as originally claimed. It is possible that this is the sole reason Fish blocked you, not the claims that you failed to provide any evidence. Many people prefer to keep to the bright line rules. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:48, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Comment Not impressed with the level of argument that the requester of unblock puts out. The commentary is still focusing on looking at other people's actions and not looking at their own behaviour and actions. No focus or consideration of Meta:Civility. There has been sufficient eyes of stewards and administrators . It is my view that this block be left as infinite and that the user can reapply for an unblock from 28 February 2023. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC) |
Comment Reverted their continued reorganisation of user talk page, and continued argument. If they cannot understand that they were blocked until 28 February 2023 at the earliest and continue to make comment and continue to argue and reorganise, then it is a pretty good case to reblock without editing rights at meta. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
@Billinghurst:, perhaps you did not see, but Naleksuh was posting a formal unblock request. To be fair, your "In my view ...2023" statement looks like you're only stating a preference. I don't think the fact that Naleksuh didn't know you were issuing a formal order says anything about them one way or the other. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Darkfrog24: Yes, I saw, and that had been formally rejected, see my decline statement in the unblock request. That they also continued to reorganise the page, change statements, and still make no acceptance of the problems, nor retract their statements or change their approach is a clear indication of inability to stop protesting and pretty much confirm the points made about them. They basically continued the same behaviour and now expect a different result? I mean ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As the reviewing admin to the unblock request I do not see any benefit to reverse the block made by the admin, nor anything contrary to the stewards' statements, and that the editor is in anyway bringing usefulness to metawiki. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Billinghurst: You saw and declined the unblock request that Naleksuh posted on January 18. But he posted another one on January 31, which you'll see if you scroll to the bottom here: [1]. N withdraws one of the incivil things they said about another user. After your edits, it was no longer visible. I've never seen an admin on any project erase or revert someone's unblock request without formally responding to it before. That's why I thought perhaps you just didn't see it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Darkfrog24: My comment on 26 January
- @Billinghurst: You saw and declined the unblock request that Naleksuh posted on January 18. But he posted another one on January 31, which you'll see if you scroll to the bottom here: [1]. N withdraws one of the incivil things they said about another user. After your edits, it was no longer visible. I've never seen an admin on any project erase or revert someone's unblock request without formally responding to it before. That's why I thought perhaps you just didn't see it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
“ | Comment Not impressed with the level of argument that the requester of unblock puts out. The commentary is still focusing on looking at other people's actions and not looking at their own behaviour and actions. No focus or consideration of Meta:Civility. There has been sufficient eyes of stewards and administrators . It is my view that this block be left as infinite and that the user can reapply for an unblock from 28 February 2023. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC) | ” |
- There are about 20 edits and reorgs and an unblock appeal after that date by this editor. Too late, they had had plenty of opportunity up until that time. They should have left it and walked away and come back sometime later, but no. Any post after that was irrelevant, though can be viewed in the history. They had a chance and blew it. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hey Billinghurst, Naleksuh has contacted me on IRC recently—we chatted a little about the situation here, and I agreed to ask you if you would consider re-allowing talk page access so that they may calmly and concisely appeal their block. -- TNT (talk • she/her) 20:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- @TheresNoTime:How many times is one allowed to appeal a block? [We have heard another for the while.] How many times is one able to not take responsibility for their actions, and still continue to blame others which was exactly the behaviour that got the request from a steward and the block by an administrator in the first place. How many times is an editor thinking that rearranging conversation contributions by others? I had left the page open so that the appellant could return in February 2023 and ask for an unblock, not so that they could continue their behaviour. They can contact an admin at that time and we can unblock the page at that time to hear an appeal. Hopefully they will be changed and understand the purpose of metawiki and about neta:civility. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Just a note and for transparency, I had received mails as well as some commentary on my commons talkpage from this user. Here is the link. They seemed to want an unblock. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 09:46, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Camouflaged Mirage: I'd strongly recommend requesting the user stops contacting you. They should be reminded that behaviour like this is harassment—I personally don't want to see them returning to the projects ever. -- TNT (talk • she/her) 22:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Noted @TheresNoTime. Did so in my final message to them on Commons there and I hope my explanation there is something they can accept. I will state also clearly I will not be seen neutral in this issue, hence, I cannot give any opinion favouring any course of actions here. This is due to my extensive interactions with all parties in this case. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Camouflaged Mirage: I'd strongly recommend requesting the user stops contacting you. They should be reminded that behaviour like this is harassment—I personally don't want to see them returning to the projects ever. -- TNT (talk • she/her) 22:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Just a note and for transparency, I had received mails as well as some commentary on my commons talkpage from this user. Here is the link. They seemed to want an unblock. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 09:46, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- @TheresNoTime:How many times is one allowed to appeal a block? [We have heard another for the while.] How many times is one able to not take responsibility for their actions, and still continue to blame others which was exactly the behaviour that got the request from a steward and the block by an administrator in the first place. How many times is an editor thinking that rearranging conversation contributions by others? I had left the page open so that the appellant could return in February 2023 and ask for an unblock, not so that they could continue their behaviour. They can contact an admin at that time and we can unblock the page at that time to hear an appeal. Hopefully they will be changed and understand the purpose of metawiki and about neta:civility. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hey Billinghurst, Naleksuh has contacted me on IRC recently—we chatted a little about the situation here, and I agreed to ask you if you would consider re-allowing talk page access so that they may calmly and concisely appeal their block. -- TNT (talk • she/her) 20:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- There are about 20 edits and reorgs and an unblock appeal after that date by this editor. Too late, they had had plenty of opportunity up until that time. They should have left it and walked away and come back sometime later, but no. Any post after that was irrelevant, though can be viewed in the history. They had a chance and blew it. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I wonder, for such banned users' talk pages, should these discussions be archived, or just keep here? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)