User talk:Justman10000

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Final warning

Hi, I just wanted to let you know here that I have given you a final warning for SRG reports [1]. Some notes to take into account:

1. Do not report accounts or IPs which only have recent edits at one wiki. As it is already noted at Global blocks and Global locks, the point of a global lock/global block is to stop cross-wiki disruption, not to be an action implemented in fear of what the user might do after being blocked on one wiki. Exceptions do exist, such as accounts of locked LTAs or lock evasion, but regular one-wiki vandalism does not need global action.
2. Do not report IPs with no or few recent edits. They are considered stale, and do not need global action.
3. Do not report P2P proxies. We do not block them as proxies as they combine legitimate traffic with proxy traffic, and therefore contain collateral. They are blocked when being used for abuse, and you can report them in case of recent cross-wiki/LTA abuse, but not as proxies - your report will be declined if reported as such. For this same reason, please do not use Spur for checking proxies, as it is more of a P2P checker than a proxy checker and just tells you if the IP is being used by proxy traffic rather than if it is a proxy.
4. Do not use unreliable proxy checkers for reporting open proxies (e.g. IPQualityScore, VPNAPI, GetIPIntel etc), as they frequently falsely classify some IPs as proxies. As your request would be declined in case of one of them giving a false positive, please resort to the more reliable ones (Proxycheck.io etc).

Failure to obey this will result in a temporary block from SRG. Thank you. EPIC (talk) 05:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Is that why Spur also detects IPs that ProxyCheck does not detect? Justman10000 (talk) 11:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I've been told that Spur is the final check to see if an IP is really a proxy or a VPN! But fine, then ProxyCheck Justman10000 (talk) 11:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I have extended your block. Your contributions even to the talkpage continue to be problematic. You are reporting educational IPs as proxies - this is not a place to block every potential IP you see, and you aren't following EPIC's comment about things not needing crosswiki attention in #1. -- Amanda (she/her) 03:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I only report IPs that Proxycheck detects as proxies/VPNs! And if one continues to treat me like dirt... Justman10000 (talk) 05:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Proxy checkers are not 100% by default. You can't treat them as perfect. They need manual review by hand, which you aren't having the skill set to do. We are not in the business of blocking every educational institution out there. That would be very disruptive, as that can be where some of our best content is. The other concern is you are raising random IPs that really don't need global intervention. It seems like you are just running proxy checks on every edit you can find. This is inappropriate, as it will contain false positives, and we want to lessen the block impact. This is not treating you like dirt; this is you being disruptive. -- Amanda (she/her) 12:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Nobody mentioned anything about manual checking? And how is that supposed to work? And of course I take random IPs that have been edited? How else? Epic said ProxyCheck is extremely trustworthy, at least he uses it for each check of the reported IPs as a proxy/VPN! And what kind of educational institutions?

The other concern is you are raising random IPs that really don't need global intervention

Don't they need it either? I thought you are a steward? Then you should know that proxies and VPNs are always blocked globally, no matter how many edits they have! On the contrary, every steward blocks them for this reason! You too! I don't understand what you're getting at Justman10000 (talk) 12:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure how you started, so I can't speak to that experience or where others may have advised you incorrectly. Proxy detection is an art more than it is a science. There are many many different types of proxies. Even English Wikipedia details some in it's article but it's not an exhaustive list. The key is that the meta policy is No OPEN proxies. That is what stewards block. The art of determining whether a proxy is open requires multiple resources and can not just be a binary value, not just a single source. It requires looking at the whois (where you can often find the information about it being a school/college/university). No singular site that looks for proxies will be 100%. They are open to error, especially when we are looking for only open proxies. Open proxies are sites that involve minimal effort to gain access to that IP. I'm not going to be able to give you a full course on proxy detection, sorry.

As for educational (and other) IPs you've asked to be blocked:

• 91.187.144.0/20 - w:AMRES, Academic Network of Serbia
• 145.242.20.0/24 - The France tax office
• 64.124.0.0/17 - A residential and colocation service providing internet for a school
• 138.246.0.0/16 - A german university

So, when it comes to proxy management, it's more of a risk assessment than a binary science. This is why we don't randomly check every IP or every bit of vandalism. It will increase your false positive rate, as we have seen with your reports. We only typically worry about it when it becomes a long-term abuse problem, and even then, there can still be a high risk of blocking a "proxy." We block people who aren't using a proxy. So if you are looking for something you can just run on an true or false (binary) status, proxy checking is not it, and that's why you are blocked from SRG. -- Amanda (she/her) 11:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Like I said, no one ever mentioned anything! So why does Proxycheck then flag masses of such IPs and ranges that are not open proxies? Justman10000 (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, masses of VPNs (not proxies) are blocked! Justman10000 (talk) 16:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Because a proxy is not the same as an open proxy, there are different types of proxies, VPNs being one of them. The VPN tag is not always accurate on third-party sites because it is all attempted third-party automated detection. -- Amanda (she/her) 01:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)