Template talk:New wiki request

external links

Hi could I add external links I would like to add the following

| external links || {{{external|}}} ||

90.222.250.124 16:20, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Oppose per [1]. --MF-W 16:21, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Script

Please add a "Script or scripts" field to the request template/table, after language code. We always have issues. --Nemo 07:31, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Language's item at Wikidata

Now that Meta has access to Wikidata, could this be added to the template? Ideally the item would include some relevant info. --Jura1 (talk) 13:48, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

• Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Picard
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Northern Tujia

To help visualize it, I added it on a trial basis and included an item at the two above request. More fields can be displayed. --Jura1 (talk) 14:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I added it to all proposals with a status in 2015/2016. --Jura1 (talk) 13:54, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I dont see the point. --MF-W 22:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Currently some of the information is repeated in the template and there isn't any easy way to ensure that this is consistent with Wikimedia Foundation's information on the language. Further, the specialists looking at the proposal are more likely to spot discrepancies in the data. Obviously, formatting could be improved. --Jura1 (talk) 22:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

The community needs to?

Should additional logic be added to this template to suppress/reword the "The community needs to" messages once the wiki has actually been created? See, for example, Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Jamaican, where the notice at the top of the page still claims "The community needs to" do this and that, even though the wiki was created over a year ago. How would this best be accomplished? Perhaps allow the new value status=created? - dcljr (talk) 09:23, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I see no need for that. Nobody looks at the "done" request pages anyway. --MF-W 23:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Phabricator link updated

Hello. I've done few amendments:

• it now adds automatically the task as the tracking parent task of wikis waiting for creation
• Shell is not a valid Phab project, it's been removed and also added some others required such as DBA
• it now submits the task with Phabricator format in bulleted points.

I've tested it and I see no issues so far. Please let me know if you encounter any. —MarcoAurelio 10:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Namespaces

This template asks for localized versions of the Project and Project_talk namespaces. Can we please ask for localization of all standard namespaces (at least for Wikipedias) before a request gets approved? (The names don't necessarily have to be different from English, if that's appropriate for the language/community.) As things stand, there is sometimes a lot of back and forth in Phabricator tasks, with sysadmins (which I am not, BTW) trying to get localizations of namespace names, when this information would more appropriately be collected upfront, when interested users are watching the "Requests…" subpage. - dcljr (talk) 00:22, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe do not approve the wiki until the basic MessagesXx on mediawiki/core are there? This is something that has to be done just once when a new language is added. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 08:59, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

In former times (tm) everything was better when TWN had a special page for translating the namespace names. I don't know why this desirable function was disabled. --MF-W 04:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

MF-Warburg Apparently they wanted to bundle the feature into the Translate extension, but they have not achieved that for now, plus the extension started to fail so they got it removed. Restoring the feature is not possible now since it'll require huge work to make it work with the newest MediaWiki versions. In any case TWN staff Nemo or Nikerabbit can give more detailed data if they have. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:28, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

So… shall we expand the template? - dcljr (talk) 19:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe we can have an extra template which can then be used for new languages that fulfilled the export threshold from TWN? --MF-W 23:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmm… I'll give this a shot (creating a new template) Sometime Soon. (@MF-Warburg: I assume you mean the TWN-related threshold for exporting from the Incubator?) - dcljr (talk) 22:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

No, I mean the threshold for exporting translations from TWN into the MediaWiki code (13% of the core messages). It doesn't make sense to ask for namespace translations in languages that don't fulfill that yet, because those languages will be unknown to MediaWiki. --MF-W 16:50, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah. OK. Now I see why you're suggesting a different template. - dcljr (talk) 13:54, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Another problem: Project logo

This template links to wmf:Wikimedia official marks/Word mark creation for "instructions" (that's the link text) about project logos. Unfortunately, that page only talks about the Wikipedia logo(s) and not those of any other Wikimedia content projects (say, Wikibooks). After looking around the Foundation wiki and Commons for a bit, I couldn't actually find any specific information about how to either create new logos for non-Wikipedia wikis or even where to request that such a logo be created (unless it's just at commons:Commons:Picture requests, like any other image request). Can someone improve this template to point to useful info about creating or requesting non-WP logos? - dcljr (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Also, I just noticed that we are suggesting a "135x135" logo, whereas the instructions at wmf:Wikimedia official marks/Word mark creation#Preparing files for upload say:

1. Create a new file with these preferences:
   • width: 135px
   • height: 155px

(?) - dcljr (talk) 23:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

mw:Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_logo.3F A good logo size is 135x135px or 150x150px. The maximum logo size in Vector is ~160x160px, while MonoBook's is ~155x155px. A logo that is too large will be cut off.

About the pages, I'd suggest that we create similar ones on Meta (or Commons) for the non-WP logos. We can also link to the picture request page from the template, for users' convenience. --MF-W 01:34, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

I've complained about the wmf instructions. As for creating new pages, I'd prefer it if someone more familiar with the current guidelines took the lead on that… (But if no one else comments here, I suppose I'll give it a shot… at some point in the future.) - dcljr (talk) 22:44, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't see a contradiction between the two pages: most of our logos are not square (except Wikibooks and Wikiquote I guess) when the name is included. Clearer now? [2] [3]

Ideally the process should not require translators to learn graphics. If people who start a new language in incubator add their translations to User:Cbrown1023/Logos early, one of the usual suspects can create the logo well before it's needed. Nemo 07:10, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Those additions to the instructions look very helpful, Nemo. Thanks. (I've expanded on what you changed to make the possibility of using a non-square logo explicit, lest anyone else be confused about that.) But I'm still not clear on the steps users should follow to get a new logo created. Are you saying we should tell users of this template to add the relevant info to User:Cbrown1023/Logos and wait for someone to create the logo? How long does that typically take? Does Cbrown1023 actually create logos? Are other users who make logos watching that page? - dcljr (talk) 02:47, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Lint error

This template seems to be causing a "Missing end tag" Lint error, but I can't find where it's happening. (BTW, not only does this template page have the error but "Requests…" subpages using this template seem to all have the same type of error while subpages that don't use this template don't seem to have the error.) I suspect it may be due to a block-level element being opened and closed inside of an inline-level element, since there are equal numbers of open- and close-tags in the rendered HTML (of this template page) and the tags seem to be properly nested, AFAICT (ignoring the "level" aspect of each element). Can someone find the problem? I know this is a minor issue, but it's bugging me. - dcljr (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

If you're a contributor to the wiki

MF-Warburg just reverted this change. I had reworded that part because it's ambiguous, since "the wiki" doesn't exist yet if they are using {{New wiki request}}. Should it then say "if you are an active contributor to the test wiki"? - dcljr (talk) 20:22, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I never noticed it can be read that way. If you think it's necessary to say test-wiki, you can add it. --MF-W 02:23, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Done. - dcljr (talk) 03:07, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

That Phabricator link

I have added some logic to the template to replace the "submit Phabricator task" link at the end of the "Settings" table (which allows for creating a new task autofilled with info from the template) by a normal link to the task once it exists. After all, it doesn't make much sense to have that task-creation link there once the task has been submitted. (I believe this has led to duplicate tasks on at least one occasion.) This will require people to start using a new "phab" parameter, which I can add to the template calls for all the recently created wikis (I haven't done this yet). What I've done so far shouldn't change anything except some of the phrasing shown to readers, until someone actually adds a "phab" parameter value. Opinions? - dcljr (talk) 09:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I said I hadn't added the "phab" parameter to any of the existing calls to the template, but that's not true: I added it at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Central Dusun. So you can see what this looks like "in the wild" (you have to expand the "Settings" table). - dcljr (talk) 09:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)