Talk:Wikimedia Macau/Charter/en/20100621

General comments

Thank you for the changes. The ones I found were pretty helpful, but some questions/issues remain. I will repeat those below. To identify for you what is important and what is not, I tried to add an indicator. (M) means a minor suggestion, not very important - just do what you like. If you have any reason not to change it, just do as you prefer - as long as you looked at it. (Q) means a question, we are mainly looking for an answer, and perhaps clarification - not necessarily a change. (I) is an important remark, which you most likely do want to change because it is confusing or otherwise. Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

• (Q) Is the President of the General Assemblee the same person as the President of the Executive Committee? And the VP's? Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A) In both cases, the president and the vice-president of the General Assembly need not be the same person. --Whhalbert 13:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
• (Q) Besides answers to our "standard quesions" (outside of the bylaws) i would like to know more of the relation betwwen a macau chapter, Hong-Kong chapter and any future Chinese chapter. (Anders Wennersten)
  • (A) The Chapters in Hong Kong and Macao are running independently. Also according to the Basic Law in Hong Kong and Macao, both the SARs 'may on its own, using the name ""Hong Kong, China"", maintain and develop relations and conclude and implement agreements with foreign states and regions and relevant international organizations in the appropriate fields, including the economic, trade, financial and monetary, shipping, communications, tourism, cultural and sports fields.' (Article 151 in Hong Kong, Article 136 in Macau). By this we understand that Macau may form its own chapter.--Whhalbert 13:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

NOTE

current state of how many people are active, what your state of registration is etc

Chapter II

• (Q) I find this a weird statement in English. Is this a translation error? Please clarify. - more specifically: what do you mean with the "the only and (...)" Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A) We have state to that there shall be no other organization serving the same purpose as ours.--Whhalbert 13:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Chapter III

The goals are much clearer now, thank you! Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Chapter IV

Some questions still stand here - not necessary to change perhaps, but some answers would be helpful.

• (Q) Art. IV-2: What does the proportion mean? (idem art. V-1-II) Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A) This means each ten members select a representative. For example, when the organization has 100 members, there shall be 10 reps.--Whhalbert 13:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
• (M) Art. IV-6 does not seem to cover people who are removed from office? Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • {A} The original concept is that whenever anyone is unable to serve the post for over 6 months before the end of his/her term, there shall be a by-election. We agree that removal shall be considered eqivalent to these cases.--Whhalbert 13:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
• (I) In follow up of Anders' question: could yuou clarify the role and authority and the difference between the Representative Committee/Council, the Supervision Committee, Executive Committee and the role of the Chair/President related to the General Assemblee or Executive Committee. Maybe these are just some translation issues, Jeromy could you take a look too? This also goes for Chapter V Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A) The Represenative Committee only calls the annual normal General Assembly. The Executive Committee and the Supervision Committee are elected by the General Assembly for everyday operation.

The President of the General Assembly only presides the General Assembly. The General Assembly elects both the President of the Organization and the members of the ExCom, from which the President of the ExCom is elected. The President of the Organization approves the resignation of the President of ExCom; and approves and signs the Annual Plan, the Annual Report, the Budget and the Final Accounts drafted by the President of the ExCom.--Whhalbert 13:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

As I understand now - please confirm if this is correct - the General Assemblee is the highest authority - but only comes together once a year. The General Assemblee elects the Representative Committee, the Executive Committee, the Supervision Committee, the president of the Organization, the president of the General Assemblee, the President of the Executive Committee. The Representative Committee assumes the role of the General Assemblee throughout the year. The Executive Committee runs the daily business.

I must say I find this a quite complicated structure. But if you think it works for you... Just make sure you don't get stuck in procedures :) What I worry about most is that there are so many different bodies and functions, that I am not sure if you can find enough candidates who are good at their job and have sufficient time to fill them. Effeietsanders 09:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Chapter V

• (M) The numbering of the subchapters seems to miss here - minor detail. Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Done--Whhalbert 14:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
• (M) The article on membership does not contain any information on membership? The topic is however covered in Chapter XI, so I assume changing the title would work? Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • You're right. Changing it into "Presidium" prevents ambiguity.--Whhalbert 14:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Chapter VI

• (I) Art. VI-1-IV: This states that the president has the right to approve the annual plan, report, budget and final accounts. However, Art. V-3-II says this is the responsibility of the General Assemblee. This seems contradictory or at least confusing. Do you perhaps mean "To approve and sign the Annual Plan, the Annual Report, the Budget and the Final Accounts; and before sending it to the General Assemblee for approval"? Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A)The President is elected by the General Assembly, the highest boy of power. So logically he or she approves the draft and send it to the General Assembly which approves or vetoes it.--Whhalbert 14:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
    • Ah, very good. Maybe change the wordings then to "submits for approval to the General Assemblee"? (although the Chinese version might be clearer here) Effeietsanders 09:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Chapter X

• (I) Art. X-2: This states that there is one VP, but art. V-2-I states there are two VP's? Clarification seems needed, or is this a translation issue? Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A)V-2-I is discussing the Presidium of the General Assembly, and X-2 discusses the Subordinate Committees, which is under the ExCom.--Whhalbert 14:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Chapter XI

• (M) Art. XI-2/3: This seems to state that only a) permanent residents and b) Wikimedians can join as a member? It seems reasonable to open up membership more broadly, because that means you're not required to actually proof they are editors. This releases you of some privacy problems. Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A)We do not know the situation of other chapters. However, the original purpose of the gatherings was to unite the Wikimedians in Macao. Also we wonder participation, even signing in, is a very difficult process. As long as he/she is a Wikimedian, we treat him/her equally, regardless of who he/she is.--Whhalbert 14:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
• (M) How are group members / honorary members admitted? Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A) For group members, as long as it is registered in Macao, may make its application just as an ordinary member goes through. After discussion we agree to set up he rank of "consultancy" in place of honorary members, in a new chapter as "Consultancy", as follows:'The Association shall recruit consultants for providing opinion and consulation. The consultant shall be nominated by the ExCom, and approved by the General Assembly. The appointment shall be signed by the President'.--Whhalbert 14:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Chapter XII

• (Q) Art. XII-1-II: Do all members have equal votes? (also group members?) Effeietsanders 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • (A) Honorary members do not have the right to vote, and each group member is eligible to have only ONE vote.--Whhalbert 14:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)