Talk:Tech/News/Archives/2021

English

Hi! Tech News is useful and interesting, thank you! But please, write in English! In the latest issue you wrote "easier see how the article has changed over time"; that'd be marked as "wrong" in the first year of elementary school. Presumably you meant to say "more easily see how the article has changed over time"? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. Unlike English Wikipedia, Tech News is not necessarily aimed at an audience which speaks English reasonably well, and sometimes the language in the newsletter suffers some abuse due to our attempt to make it easier to understand for en-2 or even en-1 speakers who might not get a translation into their native language. We try to balance a) ease of translation, b) ease of reading for non-native speakers and c) not confusing the native or very fluent speakers, while explaining technical concepts in a few sentences, and sometimes we fail at one or more of these, which grieves us.

(And sometimes, of course, there'll be the odd, involuntary mistake due to the fact that majority of the Tech News writers are not native speakers of English, and had no English classes in elementary school.) /Johan (WMF) (talk) 00:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Subscribe to the Chinese version of the news, but received the English version

At first, I received some news in Chinese, but the two I received recently are both in English, and my English is so bad that I can’t understand it at all. Even these are translated by Google. May I ask why this is so? Are there opportunities for improvement? --思淇敏君 (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

They must be translated before they are sent. Which for some latest issues did not happen. If they are translated later, they are accessible here on Meta. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 20:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

思淇敏君: For example: I sent out the latest Tech News on 11 January, but it was not translated into Chinese until 12 January. This means that when you got it there was no Chinese translation to send out. It came later. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 01:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@思淇敏君: Hi. Each week the edition is translated by volunteers, and different people have time to help with this task each week. So, depending on the week, we have translations in anywhere from 12 to 20+ languages. If you are able to help with this yourself, or if you know someone who might be able and interested in helping, then more help with translating is always appreciated. Thanks, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Note: Subscribing to the (low-quantity) mail:translators-l mailing list is the best way for anyone to be reminded that a new edition is ready for translation. We send out weekly reminders on Thursday & Friday (UTC). Thanks again! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, I understand the situation. Thank you also for the translation team's intentions.--思淇敏君 (talk) 14:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

en-GB abused

I object to a purportedly "en-GB" translation of the newsletter being produced, with the caveat:

Fine print: Tech news in British English (en-gb) does not necessarily use British spelling. It is only British in spirit, unoversimplified [SIC] when compared to the regular English version, allowing more complex terms (e.g. "issues" instead of "problems") and constructions.

How do we get this stopped? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Past discussion was at Talk:Tech/News/Archives/2020#Problems with message delivery. I tried to discourage those translations (simple and en-gb) then, for a variety of reasons (including the double-prominence of English that it creates at the start of the <languages/> listing-box), and (as I said at the time) I made a related post at mw:Talk:Localisation#en-gb and en-ca translations asking for better documentation about when/when-not to use these variants. I believe User:Alexis Jazz is the primary or only person to create those translations, so I encourage you to discuss it with them, but perhaps looking at it from a bigger-picture view of how we do/should use "en-gb" in general, rather than specifically just about Tech News. Hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): The problem is that Tech News oversimplifies language (making it a strain to read for anyone who is used to regular English) and omits technical details by purposely not including any "why". The simplified English also results in simplified translations which are, again, a strain to read for native speakers. The solution here, in my opinion, is to actually write normal English on the default Tech News (which will then also be the default source language for translations) and create a "simple English" translation which would be more akin to the current English Tech News. The "simple English" version could also be delivered to non-English wikis that don't have a native translation. But I suggested this before, so I sound like a broken record now. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I understand the frustration with slightly-to-heavily simplified English. However, we have to keep in mind the various demographics who read this newsletter, including both non-technical native English speakers, as well as the many many communities who don't have a translated version at all in their language but where individuals may understand some English. We also need to keep the entire process of newsletter creation as feasible as possible.

It's not perfect, but it's the best balance we can find given the various technical and social and time challenges around making it any better. HTH. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): For "non-technical native English speakers" the "This happened. It led to this. This also happened." style is not helpful. For "the many many communities who don't have a translated version at all in their language", as I said, distribute a Simple English version to them. We also need to keep the entire process of newsletter creation as feasible as possible. So what's the problem then? Create Tech News as usual, copy English to Simple English and ping me to adjust the regular English version as I've basically been doing for a while now with the en-gb hack. It's a minor effort so I'm sure more volunteers can be found for this as well in case I'm not available. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:53, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

As far as I know, it is not technically possible to "distribute a Simple English version to [everywhere except enwiki])". Plus there may be people who want Version X at Location Y. Plus translators with imperfect English skills may prefer working from the simple version. It all gets very complicated if we start down that rabbithole of 2 English versions. :-/ Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:41, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Plus translators with imperfect English skills may prefer working from the simple version. The Simple English version could be set as the source. It's not ideal, but if phab:T268274 is ever resolved it won't matter.

As far as I know, it is not technically possible to "distribute a Simple English version to [everywhere except enwiki])". Plus there may be people who want Version X at Location Y. There are! Say Wikidata is your home wiki and you have Tech News delivered to your user page. You may want it in German, but you can't have that. {{target}} (as used on Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors) should include a parameter for language code which, if set, should then be used during delivery. The biggest hurdle is that various people think in terms of problems when it comes to this instead of solutions. By the way, talking about rabbit holes: the alternative is a bloody fork of Tech News. Now that's something nobody wants. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:29, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Let me add the five Ws to that. The who is generally included in Tech News or simply not relevant. The what, when and where are generally included, only the why is typically omitted, forcing readers to follow links to understand what is actually going on and how it may affect them now and in the future. I'm not saying "turn Tech News into an essay", I'm saying that including a brief why ("for maintenance", "due to a bug in MediaWiki", "caused by a hardware problem") would satisfy most readers and complete the five Ws. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: And you didn't think of actually just talking to me? If you had read Talk:Tech/News/2021/05/en-gb (where I pinged you) you'd have seen that I have lost interest in providing an improved Tech News. Also, I dislike your aggressive tone. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:11, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Feedback: "Obsolete page"

Today's Tech News links to an "obsolete page" on mediawiki for more information on upcoming changes in Protecting and unprotecting pages. Ciell (talk) 18:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, that should have linked to mw:OOUI. Thanks for pointing it out. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 18:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! Ciell (talk) 18:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Translation tool

We urgently need to have access to a translation tool to translate articles between languages. Is it simply that I cannot find it? --Dpcossio (talk) 07:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Who is we? Where and why do you need it? Do you mean the ContentTranslation tool? --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 10:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Dpcossio: You can go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures on your home wiki to turn on mw:Content translation, if you haven't already. You'll find it towards the bottom. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 10:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Delivery

MassMessage doesn't seem to be delivering messages right now (Phab:T275432). I'm aiming to deliver this week's issue tomorrow instead. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 20:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Deadline

@Quiddity (WMF) and Whatamidoing (WMF): You added items to Tech/News/2021/09 on Friday at 18:02 and 23:05. Please see Tech/News/For contributors#The deadlines: To be included when the first notice is sent out to translators, please add it to the draft, tag it with user-notice in Phabricator or contact the Tech News writers (usually Johan) by Thursday 15:00 UTC.[note 1] Later items will be included if seen before the notice to the translators has been sent out, but it can't be guaranteed.

For "late additions" this is Friday 15:00 UTC. Quiddity's item about VideoCutTool should have been pushed to next issue and Whatamidoing's item probably as well. That item is also vague and if it had been pushed to the next issue I might have improved its wording. (Some editors may not get automatically logged in to all their accounts across Wikimedia projects in the latest versions of Firefox and Safari)

I had my translation done early on Friday, I probably checked later that day to make sure there were no late additions. There is no system in place to notify me of these late additions, so these additions were now simply distributed untranslated. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Coordinating things across timezones is difficult. I live on the western coast of Canada, and so when it is my occasional turn to look after the edition (on one or more of the writing days), then the usual tasks occur later on (not at 8am my time!). This is partly why it says (as you quoted) Later items will be included if seen before the notice to the translators has been sent out. We send weekly notifications to the mail:translators-l mailing list when each edition is finalized, and we remove the {{tech news draft}} template at the same time, so you could check for either of those in the future. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): The mailing list notifies of everything that could be translated. Many pages are either not relevant to Dutch users, do not interest me or are very complicated to translate. Also, I prefer to keep my wiki business on-wiki. I'll try to look out for the {{tech news draft}} template. But if Thursday/Friday 15:00 UTC is not achievable, maybe move the deadline to Saterday or something. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:09, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

As the person who wrote this piece of documentation, 15:00 UTC (or 14:00 UTC, depending on DST or not) was never intended as the deadline for when the issue is frozen. As it explicitly states: "Later items will be included if seen before the notice to the translators has been sent out, but it can't be guaranteed". The reason behind the 15:00 UTC deadline is that it might take quite some time to write in item, if a Phab ticket has been marked with user-notice with no explanation, or if something is confusing in the item that was added. The writer – usually I – has to hunt down the person who added it to get an explanation, if it's an area we're unfamiliar with (no one, as far as I know, keeps all the details about Wikimedia technical development in their head, unfortunately). If we can't get hold of them, we might have to trawl through various Phabricator tickets that were written with the people working on it, being already familiar with the context, in mind, or try to find the right documentation on mediawiki.org. This can take quite a while, so we need to have a deadline for telling people when they can reliable add content and feel assured it will make it into the issue being delivered next week.

I've updated the documentation to make it more clear that the removal of the draft template is the one reliable sign of when the issue has been frozen. For a variety of reasons, the time zones among them, there's no exact hour at which Tech News can be frozen every week. The easiest way is to keep track of the draft template. But we could confer and give you and the other translators a time at which point it will always have been frozen, barring technical problems or emergencies: "usually earlier, but no later than this". /Johan (WMF) (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Having talked among us, I don't think we've ever – barring emergencies or technical problems – frozen the issue later than 03:00 UTC on the Saturday. Usually far earlier, and you can always keep track of whether it's been frozen or not by the draft template, but if you don't want to check in and see, this might be useful too. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 00:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

The actual deadline is when the issue has been frozen. When it's frozen, the draft template is removed and the weekly notice about finalization gets sent to translators-l. I checked the mailing list first, found that the notice had not been sent, and added the item. The draft template was still on the page. Therefore, the issue was not frozen, and it was still fair to add that privacy-related item. Holding it for another week over an arbitrary time on the clock would have benefitted nobody and increased privacy risks for affected editors during the intervening week and workload for the Oversight volunteers.

This is how Tech/News has worked for years. If there was an actual problem here, it's only that the documentation made the schedule sound firmer than it really is. Also, if you especially want the documentation to be complete, then it would be good to add that emergencies happen, so even the "final" deadline isn't absolute. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:52, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Though it should be said that I actually move the vast majority of all items added after the newsletter has been frozen to next week, because the translators need to feel that they can translate the newsletter and relax knowing they're done. Emergencies and changed information (i.e. when an item isn't true anymore, and needs to be edited, because of developments over the weekend) are the typical exceptions. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

But this is only true after the draft template has been removed. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Web feed stopped working

The web feed is no longer getting populated again since December 2020. --Titore (talk) 12:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Titore: Thanks for letting us know! Looking into it. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 13:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

There's a Phab ticket here phab:T276301. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 11:18, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of this once again. It looks like the issue is solved now. Titore (talk) 07:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Great! /Johan (WMF) (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Problem

There is a problem with editing translatable pages on Meta, which means I currently can't save any edits to Tech/News/2021/13. Hoping this is solved during the day tomorrow. See phab:T278429. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 19:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Meta was rolled back to last week's MediaWiki version, so it's working now. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 22:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

No Tech News 2021/15

There will be no newsletter the week after next. On Monday, we'll deliver Tech News Tech/News/2021/14. Tech/News/2021/16 will come two weeks later. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News not being sent to Wikitech-ambassadors

Hi, Tech News isn't delivered to the Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list anymore. The last edition received was (2021, week 13). There was no announcement/note that this would happen. Was this an intentional change? Or is there a problem with delivering Tech News to that list? Kaartic ^[talk] 18:31, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Screenshot of 2021/16 having been sent.

Kaartic: I had no idea it wasn't being delivered until now. I'll look into it. Thanks for bringing it up. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 18:39, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Kaartic: Seems to have worked this week? /Johan (WMF) (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I should add that we have no idea why it didn't for 2021/14 and 2021/16, or why it started working again now. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 21:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. I could confirm that I received it this week. May be the mailing list came to know about the issue in some magical way and "fixed itself" ;-) Anyways, good that it works now :-) -- Kaartic ^[talk] 18:05, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Search work

@Johan (WMF), maybe phab:T282808 and related work should be mentioned? "Search is being improved for some languages", or something like that? Spanish is done, and German, Dutch, and Portuguese are next. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:49, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Whatamidoing (WMF): Thanks for the suggestion, checking in with the team to figure out if it makes sense and how to phrase it in that case. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 07:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

No newsletter next week (unless someone wants to handle it!)

Neither I nor Nick/Quiddity will be available to write the newsletter next week (to be distributed on Monday 12 July). I will put in a notice about there being no issue in the newsletter this week (going out on Monday), but if someone feels like they could write/edit it, feel free to step up. You'll need to be a translation admin, or have a translation admin supporting you both on Thursday and Friday next week, and you should have been around the process long enough to be familiar with Tech News, but as long as you know what we're aiming for, Tech/News/Manual ought to be detailed enough to walk you through the steps. Tech/News/For contributors has some more details.

We can take care of distribution. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 03:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

(But a week of no Tech News is not a big problem, so no worries if no one would enjoy handling it.) /Johan (WMF) (talk) 03:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

"Private Relay" could be wikified to w:Private Relay.

Apokrif (talk) 22:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Apokrif: Hi. We wanted to enable the translators to be able to link to detailed content, which isn't currently available in all languages on Wikipedia, but is available in many languages on Apple's website. Hence the link wasn't wrapped in a "tvar" and I specifically encouraged the translators to localize it. (e.g. The French translation, Tech/News/2021/39/fr, linked to https://support.apple.com/fr-fr/HT212614). I hope that info helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Extract fixed parts of Tech News to a template

Hey! Recently, during the Tech News translation I've came up with an idea to extract the fixed parts of the page to templates. In my opinion (though I'm not an experienced translator here, so I may be wrong), this will make the translators' job easier. Nowadays, I need to re-type (or select from the "similar translations" section) the whole invitation, footer and headings even though they are standard and don't change across Tech News issues.

Those templates could be translated once and then included to TN issues no matter whether the rest was translated before delivery to wikis. This way, the "translations are available" link will be useful for those who don't speak English.

Am I right or there are downsides of such a proposal? Greetings, Msz2001 (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Msz2001: Hi, thanks for the suggestion, and for helping with translations! This problem has recently been discussed at Talk:Tech/News/init (the top 2 long sections). The short summary: It isn't currently possible to use templates within MassMessages, but we are discussing alternatives/options, in the hopes of making things easier for regular translators and also more useful for readers in languages that are only occasionally translated. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:16, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

include instead of copy, easier subscribe

would it be possible to include the tech news section into the talk page instead of copying it over? this might trigger more and better translations. because the publication triggers people to look at it, and with it help translating. also, if you would add a "subscribe" button into the title of talk pages for others easier finding it. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 09:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@ThurnerRupert: Hi. I'm not sure what exactly you are suggesting.

1) I think you might be suggesting some sort of cross-wiki transclusion, from the central location here; however that is not technically possible at the moment.

Or you might be suggesting that we should transclude the translations from a centralized page on each wiki; but that would result in every project+language needing to have a separate translation (Dewiktionary, Dewikivoyage, etc), and it would also result in people not being Notified about a new talkpage message.

If people just want to have a copy of the delivered MassMessage displayed on a page, but without getting notifications/watchlist-entries about updates, that is possible, and 4 wikis have a setup to make it work (d:Q21899408). But that doesn't help for centralizing/sharing the efforts of translators...

2) I'm also not sure what you are suggesting regarding the "subscribe" button. There is currently the link in the footer of the MassMessage for people to subscribe/unsubscribe. I would be hesitant about adding a duplicate link, especially in the ==section-title== (if that's what you mean?).

Please let me know if any of that helps, or if you can clarify your suggestions a bit more. Thanks, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Countable nouns

Hi! Please do not use "amount" for countable nouns. You wrote "... a limit on the amount of emails a user can send each day", but that should read "... a limit on the number of emails a user can send each day", as emails are countable. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: Thanks! I'm mildly embarrassed that this one was my fault. (Someone tagged the task as needing inclusion, I tried to understand the task and suggested some proposed wording, and nobody caught the error). On the other hand, not all of the newsletter's editors and writers are native English speakers, so the occasional grammatical error/imperfection is guaranteed! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

How do we expand circulation of TechNews?

A case which urged me to post this one is: contractor facilitators for various WMF departments have the door shut in their faces, and an old excuse reads/sounds like "you don't inform us tech changes before or after, and it's we the contributors who struggle for hours why the system does not do the trick any more as it has been doing for years".

In other words, are our TechNews' "clients" or readers limited to admins or functionalities? Do we sit and cross our fingers that people would subscribe and thank us to make it read in their local languages? It is a great resource, short enough for three-minutes' read. Maybe not with gritter or spices, but nothing contained make you feel sour by reading it.

My idea would be that we would be noting from time to time on wikis and inform that they have TechNews to overcome that gap of information. Like in i.e. jawp, we don't have a good thread of brain storming like User Groups, so that sharing the current tech effort is not conveyed effectively.

Then, a very thoughtful message this week came around to work on (translate):

(quote) If you want to make sure you don’t miss technical changes on the Wikimedia wikis, you can subscribe to the weekly technical newsletter. (unquote)

The above quote is from a MassMessage that would be addressed soon to Admins, regarding IP masking. Not for that topic, but, lay editors/users are IMHO not informed what TechNews aims for, nor the Hatnote on each issue come to life (shame on lazy me).

I wish TechNews get more popular, and I am not asking for people to start consultation/productive talks like you have informed tech changes that saved my hours and face kind of punch line. (That's anime or manga script to me.((: )

Have you tried any effective method to expand readership among your local group? Or, does making TechNews more popular bring any undesired side effects? Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

“My idea would be that we would be noting from time to time on wikis and inform that they have TechNews to overcome that gap of information.”

 Support I have recently started translating TechNews to norwegian (bokmål). Most norwegians usually understand english as well. It is my impression that quite a few active writers have little time to roam around meta to look for information, are not particularly tech savvy or interested in technical news. Not until a sudden change in their routine strikes them. -- Abuluntu (👨🏼‍💻💬) 15:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

• we already distribute tech news to the various community boards via Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors, perhaps readers are already reading it there; and it already contains a subscribe link in the footer - what am I missing here? — xaosflux ^Talk 21:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I wish TechNews get more popular…

@Omotecho: The noticeboard which receives the TechNews on nowp has 60 watchers out of 350 active editors. This number represents 2/3 of our active contributors with 100 edits or more. It has about 1,100 page views within the last 60 days. Regularly it peaks on about 60 views around the time of change. Today half of the watchers have read recent changes. How is jawp doing? -- Abuluntu (👨🏼‍💻💬) 12:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Abuluntu Hello, I'm turning green the high percentage at nowp where they keep eyes open for Tech News... (;

Jawp has issue of Tech News_50_2021 (in ja) delivered at WP:NEWS on jawp. Low tech question, would you mind how you calculate numbers of watchers at WP:NEWS/ja please? Tried its /history page, only found it runs an archiver bot. Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 15:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Omotecho Sadly my Japanese is poor 😆. But whatever your “page information” link in the left pane is called you may hit it, and look for the number of “page views in the last 30 days” in the “Basic information” table. When you click the number, a page view statistical graph will show. The number of users based on their level of activity on jawp is here -- Abuluntu (👨🏼‍💻💬) 15:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, hello, I have excavated a case from June 2021 at jawp Village Pump -> Archive (in ja). A jawp admin says they were not aware/notified about Help:Extension:CentralAuth/CreateLocalAccount, discovered it had been there for sometime, and while some discussion found the function usable: in June 2021, documentation was not yet in ja language, so starting consensus discussion on implementation did not continue: that page was flagged for translation in May 2021.

As they say no news supplied on admin newsletters, but I am not aware of if Tech News wrote about Extension:CentralAuth/CreateLocalAccount, sorry. Tech News owes nothing to jawp or any admins, I only hope I could inform them which Tech News' issue had contained that topic, and urge them to subscribe if not, with an evidence they will swallow. Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Abuluntu, thank you, here it goes like page information: I am missing something or can't find "jawp active editors" to counterpart nowp's 350. Number of page watchers: 847 among which 128 visited recent edits. So we don't calculate how many from among them actually have read Tech News. (T.T) Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 17:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Omotecho Your page seem to peak around 300 page views around time of change. That’s about half of the 650 active contributors with 100 edits or more. As you say we don’t know what they read during their visits. -- Abuluntu (👨🏼‍💻💬) 19:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Omotecho: It looks like that feature was mentioned in Tech/News/2020/45 (found via a search of the archives :) ). I hope that helps.

Thank you for helping to spread awareness, and for the question/suggestion about doing so more widely. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:16, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Abuluntu, oh, that's not a bad figure, I memo and it will stay as a "measure" or counting stick when I need to sense the scale. Good day to you, cheers. -- Omotecho (talk) 06:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF), your search saved me a lot, thank you so much. I would like to relay the info to those needing it. Tech News is another guide to map how we are contributing to the vast range of free knowledge, and how lucky I have discovered it. My wild imagination shows me each community as linked to the big picture like a star among a constellation. With the map, Tech News, I wish to be part of translator community and pay forward.

Thanks everyone to share your wisdom. Stay fit, my fingers crossed. -- Omotecho (talk) 06:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Done FYI, promoted subscription to TN, as well as noted the translated help page is available;

• where: at a local jawp discussion; archived village pump. (ja)
• The conversation between two admins at the above link is another case, but not which I have mentioned herein between a WMF facilitaor and the jawp community. -- Omotecho (talk) 08:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)