Talk:Community Wishlist/Wishes/More page metadata

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Thank you

Hey @Minilexikon thanks for this wish. I agree a page's metadata could be more organized. Could you help me understand how and why you'd want it to be structured this way? What goals are you trying to achieve, where the metadata is getting in the way, currently? JWheeler-WMF (talk) 17:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

One of the main things is, as a programmer myself, I don't particularly like

• mixing content and metadata
• having metadata in a free-form textfield

The visual editor already gives the visual impression of this via "options":

Visual Editor Options

I imagine this to be similar to the "basic information":

Basic information of "Park Fiction"

Especially topheads are currently implemented via templates that all look different, can theoretically be inserted everywhere and are technically not content but editorial commentary. So, here again, we mix content and other stuff.

Does that make sense? Minilexikon (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Minilexikon could you define "topheads" or maybe substitute it for another word in the wish. Its meaning is not clear to me. Commander Keane (talk) 03:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

This is yet another proposal to defeat the fundamental principles of the wiki. The fact that everything is just a blob of text interpreted by a parser is exactly what has allowed us to build our own structures, free from constraints assumed by the PHP code we have no access to change. Why ruin that very flexibility. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 21:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

It is certainly a far reaching wish, from what I can understand of it. Obviously Pppery has a much better understanding of the importance of the parser than me , but I will note that interlanguage links used to be in the wikitext. Back then we had the joy of experiencing several bots scrambling around every Wikipedia project updating and updating. Then Wikidata came along. I have wondered if Wikibase could be applied to Wikipedia categories and remove them from the wikitext. They too suffer from constant refining as well as arguments over usage (w:WP:CFD).

Ultimately I would like to see a photo request on French Wikipedia showing up on English Wikipedia and the rest. I am not sure if page metadata could help with that, it is another wish entirely anyway. Commander Keane (talk) 05:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)