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Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Old Turkic)

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This proposal has been closed as part of a reform of the request process. This request has not necessarily been rejected, and new requests are welcome. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy. The closing committee member provided the following comment: This discussion was created before the implementation of the Language proposal policy, and it is incompatible with the policy. Please open a new proposal in the format this page has been converted to (see the instructions). Do not copy discussion wholesale, although you are free to link to it or summarise it (feel free to copy your own comments over). —{admin} Pathoschild 03:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposal summary
Language details: Old Turkic (Köktürkçe, otk [invented]) Editing community: Yaroslav Zolotaryov (P) List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language. Relevant pages: — External links: —
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

• Number of speakers: No longer spoken natively. It has some modern learners.
• Locations spoken: Altay, Siberia and Central Asia, 8-13 AC
• Related languages: Tatar, Uyghur, Chulym, Kazakh

Notes/Comments/Questions

Test wiki opened: http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-WP/yen --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 10:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments: We have vocabulary of 20 000 and some enthusiasts of this, why not begin? This is language of old siberian turk culture and Yenesey Caganate --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 03:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

I Cevair Zufer Muslim Turk from western Balkan born and living in Sweden, supports the idea but we shouldn't call it
old turkish as the turkish language and history are much older. cevair@netatonce.net

• Support--Nefis 08:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 08:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Mienski 08:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support ----3210 18:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Profesor 19:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support One Question though. Will this be in The traditional Arabic script like the Turks used to use? Also, can all the supporters also give their support for the Ottoman Wikipedia above, please? Thanks.--Fox Mccloud 21:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Erdal 21:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC) (tr:Kullanıcı:Erdall)
• Support --Lighterside 14:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support but in that Wikipedia do we use Göktürk alphabet or Latine alphabet?
  • We are Siberian Turks and we do not know Ottoman. The Old Turkic is our ancient classical language. I suppose better to use latin script, it is more understandable for possible contributors. See the transliteration proposal - http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-WP/yen/Alifba_turkce_latinca
• Ottoman Wikipedia supported. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 21:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I guess your right. It's unfortunate that many Turks can no longer understand Arabic script.--Fox Mccloud 21:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
    • But if you will open test wiki in incubator, we can organize Turkish Commonwealth just like Slavonians did (http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:East_Slavic_Portal), and help each other. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 21:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
      • I will make a test Wiki, but right now I'm working on gathering support first.--Fox Mccloud 21:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support--Absar 10:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support nl:Gebruiker:Boudewijn Idema, 16:25, 2 september
• Support

1. The official alphabet should real orkhon runiform also for current working may be Latin alphabet based on Turkish one. For transliteration scripts see kk:
2. Native name should be Köktürkçe (it is very native name for ethnos and language) not Eski Türkçe thıs one means 'deprecated', sounds silly. English name should be Gokturk (is Latin as Old Italian? is Classic Arabic Old Iraqian? is Sanskrit Old Hindi?)
3. Domain and language code preferably should be kok (this one currently is empty) tr-kok otk
4. 'Locations spoken= Siberia and Central Asia, 8-13 AC' - it is wrong. Before disfalling 1st Turk Kaganate location is modern Northern China, Mongolia, East Turkistan, Altay and Turkistan. After 2nd Turk Kaganate control territoris from Hingan to Krimea, from Samarcand to Siberia. And time should be 5 century BC (Issyk inscriptions) - 8 century AD (dissolve turk community)
5. 'Closely related languages, if any: Tatar, Uigur, Chulym'. Why only Tatar, Uigur, Chulym? It very closely to all turkic languages! --AlefZet 08:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• • There is such a thing as Köktürkçe (VIII-XI) also known as Kuzey lehçesi and it is part of Eski türkçe so i cant understand what's wrong with Eski türkçe --Nefis 16:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
    • But maybe we should include in the list of languages Kazakh language, native language of Alefzet:-) --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 16:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
      • ok, you can correct the request, it was only my view. You are free to correct the request template --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 08:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
        • But my sources are all about version spoken in Siberia in 8-13 AC. Is this still Gokturk or another language? --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 09:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Metalfırtına 19:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Sallapattias 20:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support--KIZILSUNGUR (tr:Kullanıcı:KIZILSUNGUR)
• Göktürkçe ise ben varım! 08:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support-- Mehrdad 09:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• Supportchange my vote from conditional support to support.Mustafa Akalp 09:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Support-- Bumin Kagan, 10:23, 6 november 2012 This language is needed by the people with the number of 200 million people around the world. Propose to resume the discussion on this issue. Because the old Turkic language culturally enrich the encyclopedia. This is consistent with the policy of pluralism. There are also Gothic and other languages. Why not take old Turkic? I'm for it!

1. Support -- I strongly support this language.
2. Support Kurdbuddha (talk) 10:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Conditional support

• Support (Conditional support) Support if written using the Latin alphabet (i.e. not Cryllic, not Arabic). AtilimGunesBaydin 23:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • We are just developing Latin ABC for Orhonese language. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 09:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

**Support --(Conditional support) The name "Eski/old" is not indicative for something including language. How old? Remember ; recent studies shows that Etruscan , Summerian ,assyrian and also some native American's languages are (most possibly) Turkish originated languages. (If so,) how we can call appr.20,000 years old languages if we named a a language as "Eski/Old" Turkish. I offer; lets make further studies on Turkish Language and its classification firstly.( I now that this work not so easy under the pressure of cultural imperialism on Turkish languages ). Regards and good luck to all. --Mustafa Akalp 15:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)Mustafa Akalp 09:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

• • But this is common scientific name of the language. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 21:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

• Oppose - Another strangeous language from Russia without references... no please! --Taichi - (あ！) 01:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't see why people need to do this! Please try to devolop the Turkish wikipedia instead of spending effort on old turkish or ottoman stuff... --88.240.132.179 13:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. Wiki's in extinct languages born dead -- Raghav 14:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Neutral

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