Meta:Requests for adminship/Pedist

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a closed Meta-Wiki request. Please do not modify it.

Pedist AKA encyclopedist

I am the sysop on zh:wikipedia, and also the President of Preliminary Committee, the Wikimedia Hong Kong. I would like to be a sysop on meta-wiki, to give a better contribution and managment for the pages of the Wikimedia Hong Kong.--encyclopedist 16:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The meaning of manage is not just edit something, the things I'd like to do is delete and move some pages or redirect links between Chinese and English titles. 香港維基媒體協會的中、英文頁面時常更新，因此我希望能更方便地去管理、移動或刪除有關頁面及壞死的重定向。--encyclopedist 15:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to be a sysop, not because of my personal eagerness for more power, but for the trusts & recognision from members of Wikimedia Community like you. 能成為管理員，代表的不是我能獲得額外更多的管理權限，重要是，意味著我獲得維基社群的認許及信任。--encyclopedist 07:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you think becoming a sysop brings you trust and recognision, so I am afraid at least your Chinese friends think (or why one of them acclaimed you as "a delegate"? Here I find a serious misunderstanding), you would look things from a wrong direction. Being a sysop is a result of trust from the community, and not vise versa. In general we cannot trust someone with whom we haven't any interaction. And I would like to add, trust cannot be transferred. And if you or your friend(s) invited others to come to meta for only the purpose of voting favorably for you, I daresay it is one of worst ideas about sysopship. One time account only for voting causes harms than benefits in my opinion. --Aphaia 19:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User Pedist, Can you indicate the jobs for which you need the sysop rights? Deletion of which pages? Moving which pages to where?--Hillgentleman|書 23:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

覆阿仁書：

十分感謝你的意見，可能是我表達得不好，以致有所誤解，請見諒。

雖說我希望能成為meta-wiki的管理員，是希望能為Wikimedia Hong Kong提供更好的貢獻，但難道我成為管理員之後，除卻Wikimedia Hong Kong的事我就置之不理嗎？那當然不是。
事實上，維基媒體下的各計劃，都是「人人可編輯」的。那為甚麼管理員可刪除頁面，一般用戶就不可以？是管理員有特權，高人一等麼？這當然不是。管理員在維基社群中，是代表「獲得社群認同」的意思。因為管理員獲得社群認同、信任，所以就給予他多一點權力(如刪除頁面、更快捷地回退)來協助管理，但這絶不代表維基社群有階級之分或管理員高人一等的意思。相反，管理員在獲得了多一點的權力之後，他在行事及言論上，要較以往謹慎，免得他行使管理權力時，被說成「管理員欺壓用戶」、「管理員自把自為」，令到他自己及管理團體尷尬。
說回頭，我活動於香港的維基社群，先為香港維基社群服務及貢獻是合理的，但不代表除香港維基社群的事我就置之不理。說得老成一點，就是「立足當下，站穩腳步，打好根基才能走得更遠」。

再一次感謝你的意見。--encyclopedist 05:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

(Translation by Hillgentleman|書): Reply to 阿仁: Thank you for your comments. Perhaps I did not make myself clear, and caused some misunderstandings. Please forgive me.

Even though I have said that I wanted to become an administrator on meta to serve Wikimedia Hong Kong better, will I ignore the matters outside of Wikimedia Hong Kong? Of course not.

In fact, everybody can edit every wikimedia project. Why do administrators alone have the rights to delete the pages? Is it because the administrators are superior? Of course not. Administrators are those who have the trust of the community. Thus they are given more rights to help managing the project. But that does not mean that there are castes in wikimedia community. On the contrary, administrators must be even more careful in her words and his deeds, so as to avoid giving the impression of suppressing other users, autocratic, embarrasing himself and the administration.

Coming back to the point: I am active in the Hong Kong Wikimedia community. It is only reasonable for me to serve Hong Kong Wikimedia community first. But that does not mean that I will ignore everything else. May I say, Start from where I am, stand firmly, build a strong foundation, then I can go far.

Support Jérry~雨雨 16:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support+1 --dario vet (talk) 16:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's not clear why you need sysop rights. --.anaconda 22:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This page南方民主同盟, which is irrelevant to wikimedia, has been here since March, 2006. Please note that there is only one native Chinese sysop user:shizhao on meta. The number of Zhongwen pages is growing. Meta should have more sysops who can read Zhongwen well.--Hillgentleman|書 03:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Please state why you believe you need administrative tools. Cbrown1023 23:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Per Cbrown. --Slade ♠ 00:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support I support on principle because I believe that sysop bit shouldn't be denied to anyone who has been around long enough adding his 2 cents to improve wikimedia. However, the way you phrased your request doesn't make it clear why do you need the sysop bit, since for managing the pages you mostly need only the editing rights. So you may want to be a little more clear about it. drini ^[es:]_[commons:] 00:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe if he would get more involved in "meta" work (as in, translating WMF documents into chinese) instead of just editing within his chapter stuff, he would get more support. Think about this Pedist, should this fail so you can get more involved and try again later. drini ^[es:]_[commons:] 00:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opposeplease see above, I got nothing against anyone of you..it is just redundancy and there is no point of it.--Alnokta 01:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support --[[:w:zh:User:Cehk|瘟神 17:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Wrightbus 17:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems reasonable to me. Grand master ka 00:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Neutral~~ However I would support your request for temporal sysop right. Your reasoning seems for me to more fit to temporally retain it. --Aphaia 01:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I changed my vote. See the below. Aphaia 06:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- However, the working load of maintaining Wikimedia Hong Kong could be long lasting.Stewart~惡龍+Chat here! 05:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - My point is that someone who cannot prove himself as well-involved into the community nor knowledeable of community rule is not ready to have sysop right permanently, specially if he doesn't show his voluntary will to contribute meta maintainance in genearal. I haven't seen this person on request pages and so on and afraid if he is knowledgeable our policies of deletion and so on. Feeling ill with floods of comments from people who are neither involved into meta activity, now I changed my vote from neutral to oppose.
    - Alphaia, Can you indicate a few of the community rules about which you are concerned?--Hillgentleman|書 01:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - I think I clearly stated it. Deletion policy for exaple and now I think I was right. See the history of Help:圖片與及他上載的檔案. The candidate blanked it and left. I think it is far from cleaning up and it doesn't follow our custom nor speedy deletion policy. Leaving a blanking page is far from cleanup, and not welcome in general. I am therefore afraid to give him sysop right for now more strongly. My impression he doesn't understand meta policy is now strenghened; a person who showed his lack of understanding maintainance policies are too early to request sysop right. --Aphaia 16:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
SupportI hereby support the adminship of Pedist, as he is a delegate from HK and probably the first chinese to be sysop in META -- 香港賓拉登 03:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, User:Shizhao is the only Chinese sysop at the moment.Stewart~惡龍+Chat here! 05:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Guests 05:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, your last 250 edits are related only to Wikimedia HK, with no housekeeping efforts. You simply don't need the mop. MaxSem 06:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This page南方民主同盟, which is irrelevant to wikimedia, has been here since March, 2006. Please note that there is only one native Chinese sysop user:shizhao on meta. The number of Zhongwen pages is growing. Meta should have more sysops who can read Zhongwen well.--Hillgentleman|書 03:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, what a great encyclopedist--Dbslikacheung 13:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think encyclopedist is good enough. -- 拉叔 13:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

no link on userpage. guillom 10:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Jasonzhuocn 14:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Kevinhksouth 15:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Jusjih 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I share some concerns about the real need of sysops' tool. --M/ 17:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, sysop duties are project wide, not partial. --Dbl2010 21:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This page南方民主同盟, which is irrelevant to wikimedia, has been here since March, 2006. Please note that there is only one native Chinese sysop user:shizhao on meta. The number of Zhongwen pages is growing. Meta should have more sysops who can read Zhongwen well.--Hillgentleman|書 03:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support--W.F. Siu 04:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Aphaia. guillom 10:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per above. — Timi chal 10:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, although I appreciate your effords on WIkimedia Hong Kong, I do not see the necessity of becoming sysop for serving that goal. The number of times you are deleting pages is minimal, and you can easily request that per the appropriate templates and pages. Maybe it would be better for you and us when you would get to know the community and project better first, before you apply. I hope this will not slow down your effords, and I hope that we can approve adminship anyway in a few months when you have proven to have become active on meta, also on other subjects as Wikimedia Hong Kong. Effeietsanders 10:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- User Effeietsanders: What do you mean by us in Maybe it would be better for you and us? How can you know the number of times you are deleting pages is minimal? ---Hillgentleman|書 18:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think it is better for a user and a community to let the user first develop in the community before he becomes sysop there. To get used to the ways things go. That frustrates less, and the community will be frustrated less as well. And the number of pages to be deleted in because of WM HK is quite low i suspect. I do not expect that there will be many pages at all, and how often does a page that is seriously created need to be deleted? So I think it would be better to wait a while, and second I think there s no urgent need either. Those two combined made me choose this choise. Effeietsanders 21:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I don't see any arguments against except "why do you need it?". If someone is able to perform administrative work (deleting spam, preventing vandalism etc.) and wants to try himself in this job, why not allowing so? No arguments against, this candidate meets all requirements (sysop on Chinese Wikipedia, hm) -> I support this candidate. Edward Chernenko 14:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Marbot 19:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Well, I have to say that this guy has been here long enough to function as a Sysop. We shouldn't go by number of edit/delete of pages to judge if a person is familiar with the system. He has been active on Wikipedia and has a strong will to do something for the whole community is the most important thing we should look for.--Seasurfer 22:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, If one can be trusted, then giving him the sysop right will have more pros than cons.--Itsmine 00:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Well..I know this person for about one year. It's hard for me to be equitable on this voting somehow, so I wait until more discussion come out. I, however, finally decide to give him a support. The reason is I can see his effort on working on meta from his latest speech and response. And, even he works merely on small part of meta, it'd only be pros for Wikimedia other than cons with the adminship, cos sysops is just a small potato in Wikimedia. Stewart~惡龍+Chat here! 05:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Simon Shek 07:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support An enthusiastic and trustworthy wikipedian, participating actively online and offline. I support giving him some power that matches his responsibility. --Computor 14:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. GCFreak2 9:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Neutral. I think being a sysop at meta should know what sysop at meta chores. A sysop at meta is quite different than a sysop at one of other project (such as Wikipedia) have (likely a sysop at different projects have different chores). For this, I need to know him/her what sysop at meta chores.--Shinjiman 05:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vote closed (22/9/3, ~71% support, under 75% threshold); sysop flag not granted.: --M/ 16:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]