Meta:Babel/Archives/2015-06

Local userpage guidelines?

With the advent of global user pages, it seems one's meta user page is now automatically re-created on every single project where they have not created a local page, including cases where that local page has been deleted. And yet, I have not been able to find any guidance as to what one may or may not have on their meta user page. This is kind of important as if a user has created a spammy user page, or an attack user page, or any other sort of generally unacceptable user page it is now being recrerated all over the place.

So, basically I am asking for pointers to any standards for user pages here on this project (the only page I found was a directory to standards on other projects) and a venue for proposing deletion of these pages should they be problematic. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Project:About, Meta:Inclusion policy, Meta:Requests for deletion. --Nemo 17:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Might want to consider what comes up when one actually searches for the term "user pages" as they are more likely to wind up at Help:User page, which gives advice only in a general way and pointers to specific standards for many other projects, but not this one.

Whether meta wants to be or not, it is now the gatekeeper of auto-generated user pages. So far, the vandals and spammers don't seem to be aware of the incredible potential for abuse of this amazing new feature, but eventually they will and it would be a shame if meta was not ready for it. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I see no reason to think something's not ready. Also, w:en:WP:BEANS. --Nemo 18:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I see no reason why, every time I post anything here, you are always the first person to come along, and you always manage to degrade whatever I have to say. I was just trying to make sure the community here is aware of the somewhat alarming possibilities of this feature, I have no need or desire to interact with you in any way, ever, anywhere. Please leave me alone. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Please, no shouting. --Nemo 18:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Based on the preliminary response here, I see no reason to suspect anything's ready. Beeblebrox has brought a potentially serious issue to what is supposed to be a serious place for discussion, and has been told not to worry about it by a single user. Beeblebrox has demonstrated in a few words the possibility for real damage to every associated project if no action is taken. I would like to see a serious response from someone willing to answer substantively. BusterD (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yep. It's as if he has some sort of alert set up that lets him know the minute I do anything here so he can be the first one to comment. Sad, really, but I have learned to live with it and have come to realize that there are others here with cooler heads who will hopefully take this issue seriously and not just be dismissive of it the way he is doing. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, one is lacking. Yes, one needs to be created. I thought similarly last week when I searched for a guideline. Killiondude (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps [1] as a start? –xeno 20:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

We might want to provide slightly more specific information for users. No project accepts copyvios, libel, or blatant spam, so those could be called out as reasons for rapid deletion. Content that might be acceptable at some projects but not others (maybe self-promotional content?) could be dealt with by overriding the global page locally. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

For me, I just want to keep it safe with what I do [on here] and what language I speak and what languages I understand. Tropicalkitty (talk) 00:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Anybody faking local user pages to overrule a sound global user page (i.e., no spam or other ToU violations) will hopefully meet one of those WMF global bans. –Be..anyone (talk) 01:33, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Using "what" standard? AFAIK some wikis have their own rules regarding userpages, some wikis don't allow nude images, some wiki prevent user from having "enemy" national flags (for country in conflict or technically still at war with each other), some wikis don't allow English, etc. SO it's hard to set the standard for Global userpages. Simply said, I'm half agreed with what Nemo said, just keep it related to Wikimedia movement activities and as always, keep it simple. Regards.--AldNonymous^Bicara? 03:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Accidental revision imports to some templates

Hey guys, I just imported a template from zh.wiki, and I thought it only had a couple subtemplates, but apparently it used some other templates like Template:Mbox (via the documentation). This caused those templates to get some revisions from zh.wiki imported into their history. I'm working on cleaning this up now. Sorry for the mess. Kaldari (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

It happened the same to me a some time ago. I asked if they could revert that via Phabricator, and told me that unfortunately they could not. Best regards. —MarcoAurelio 18:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Should be cleaned up now. Kaldari (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Blog

Hi! I'll participate in an event of Digital Activism in Indigenous Language (of Colombia). There I'll talk about Wikimedia Projects and how to open a project in the Incubator. I think this could be interesting for the Community. Can I write about that after the event? How? --Sahaquiel9102 (talk) 04:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sahaquiel9102, nice to meet you. Please see the instructions at Wikimedia Blog! Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 23:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Sahaquiel9102 (talk) 19:03, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Let's mirror the list of current WMF board members here

Please see Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees#Move_this_page_to_History_of_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees. I would appreciate comments. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:22, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Nothing stopping you from creating those page, Blue Rasberry.--AldNonymous^Bicara? 16:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #3—2015

Did you know?

When you click on a link to an article, you now see more information:

The link tool has been re-designed:

There are separate tabs for linking to internal and external pages. The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has created new interfaces for the link and citation tools and fixed many bugs and changed some elements of the design. Some of these bugs affected users of VisualEditor on mobile devices. Status reports are posted on mediawiki.org. The worklist for April through June is available in Phabricator.

A test of VisualEditor's effect on new editors at the English Wikipedia has just completed the first phase. During this test, half of newly registered editors had VisualEditor automatically enabled, and half did not. The main goal of the study is to learn which group was more likely to save an edit and to make productive, unreverted edits. Initial results will be posted at Meta later this month.

Recent improvements

Auto-fill features for citations are available at a few Wikipedias through the citoid service. Citoid takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. If Citoid is enabled on your wiki, then the design of the citation workflow changed during May. All citations are now created inside a single tool. Inside that tool, choose the tab you want (⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-auto⧽, ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-manual⧽, or ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-reuse⧽). The cite button is now labeled with the word "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" rather than a book icon, and the autofill citation dialog now has a more meaningful label, "⧼Citoid-citeFromIDDialog-lookup-button⧽", for the submit button.

The link tool has been redesigned based on feedback from Wikipedia editors and user testing. It now has two separate sections: one for links to articles and one for external links. When you select a link, its pop-up context menu shows the name of the linked page, a thumbnail image from the linked page, Wikidata's description, and appropriate icons for disambiguation pages, redirect pages and empty pages (where applicable). Search results have been reduced to the first five pages. Several bugs were fixed, including a dark highlight that appeared over the first match in the link inspector. (T98085)

The special character inserter in VisualEditor now uses the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki can also create a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Please read the instructions for customizing the list at mediawiki.org. Also, there is now a tooltip to describing each character in the special character inserter. (T70425)

Several improvements have been made to templates. When you search for a template to insert, the list of results now contains descriptions of the templates. The parameter list inside the template dialog now remains open after inserting a parameter from the list, so that users don’t need to click on "⧼visualeditor-dialog-transclusion-add-param⧽" each time they want to add another parameter. (T95696) The team added a new property for TemplateData, "Example", for template parameters. This optional, translatable property will show up when there is text describing how to use that parameter. (T53049)

The design of the main toolbar and several other elements have changed slightly, to be consistent with the MediaWiki theme. In the Vector skin, individual items in the menu are separated visually by pale gray bars. Buttons and menus on the toolbar can now contain both an icon and a text label, rather than just one or the other. This new design feature is being used for the cite button on wikis where the Citoid service is enabled.

The team has released a long-desired improvement to the handling of non-existent images. If a non-existent image is linked in an article, then it is now visible in VisualEditor and can be selected, edited, replaced, or removed.

Let's work together

• Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
• The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, usually on Wednesday at 12:00 (noon) PDT (19:00 UTC). Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q4 blocker, though. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the VisualEditor Q4 blocker project with the bug.
• If your Wikivoyage, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, or other community wants to have VisualEditor made available by default to contributors, then please contact James Forrester.
• If you would like to request the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki, please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.
• The team is planning the second VisualEditor-related "translathon" for July. Please follow this task on Phabricator for details and updates! Announcements will follow in due course.

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— Elitre (WMF)

10:44, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Meta:Requests for comment/Bureaucrat removal of permissions

I've opened this RfC to ask if Meta-Wiki bureaucrats should be able to continue removing advanced permissions such as administrator and or bureaucrat. —MarcoAurelio 16:28, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Stalled RfD

I think this has been on hold long enough: Meta:Requests_for_deletion#All_files_in_Category:Unfree_Wikimania_bid_media_files. —MarcoAurelio 16:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)