MediaWiki talk:Globalblocking-ipblocked-range/en
Add topicLatest comment: 4 years ago by MarcoAurelio in topic Proposed information on where to request exemption
Proposed information on where to request exemption
[edit]Along with many other users I find myself subject to an IP range block imposed by a steward who does not respond to requests on his talk page. It is therefore necessary to provide more information in this notice as to where else to seek help.
I therefore propose that the following line:
- You can contact $1 to discuss the block.
should be changed to:
- Logged-in users can request exemption at meta:SRIPBE.
- You can also contact $1 to discuss the block.
Or perhaps something more generic, {IF X exists: "For additional information see X"} where X is a new message that can point to a page? (This approach was suggested elsewhere by user:Xaosflux.) Fayenatic london (talk) 09:02, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: I think what I suggested was that you file a phab ticket that would allow this message to have additional parameters such as a local information link, with meta-wiki needing to support users of all languages putting in an english-only workaround isn't usually the best approach. — xaosflux Talk 12:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Also, wasn't the problem you were seeing is that the $1 steward was ignoring contact - because that should be addressed in another manner. — xaosflux Talk 12:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux: I was going to do that, but I understood from user:~riley's comment here that it was not necessary. Fayenatic london (talk) 21:28, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- In your discussion with me, you did not mention that you were seeking to add additional paramaters - that will indeed require a ticket. Simple modifications, such as changing in wording, would not require a ticket. ~riley (talk) 21:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- @~riley: correct, but we don't normally put in special message wording for only English here on meta-wiki - if a message for anyone needs a new format it should be done via phab so that it will be properly translated on translatewiki. — xaosflux Talk 22:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Good to know, thanks for sharing that info Xaosflux. Thanks for the suggestion, Fayenatic london, and for helping the next user that is impacted by this. ~riley (talk) 00:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- @~riley: correct, but we don't normally put in special message wording for only English here on meta-wiki - if a message for anyone needs a new format it should be done via phab so that it will be properly translated on translatewiki. — xaosflux Talk 22:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- In your discussion with me, you did not mention that you were seeking to add additional paramaters - that will indeed require a ticket. Simple modifications, such as changing in wording, would not require a ticket. ~riley (talk) 21:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: I think what I suggested was that you file a phab ticket that would allow this message to have additional parameters such as a local information link, with meta-wiki needing to support users of all languages putting in an english-only workaround isn't usually the best approach. — xaosflux Talk 12:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well, the Phab ticket has been completed. Apparently MarcoAurelio found that this notice could not be overridden on Wikimedia wikis, but now after the fix it can be overridden.
- So, should MediaWiki:Globalblocking-ipblocked-range (as well as /en) be amended in accordance with my proposal above? Fayenatic london (talk) 10:34, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- There's no need to alter local messages. After my patch the message that will be displayed to globally rangeblocked IP addresses will be MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-ipblocked-range (on Meta and elsewhere on WMF-wikis). Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, that will be good, but it's not working yet. When I try to edit an article on e.g. Simple English Wikipedia using Puffin browser (globally blocked), I still see the old notice with "You can contact Vituzzu to discuss the block", not the new notice that you linked above. Fayenatic london (talk) 12:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Simple English Wikipedia is in the group2 of wikis to which the patch has not yet arrived as you can see at https://tools.wmflabs.org/versions/. There's a problem with some coding that is blocking the update as stated in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233866. I expect the new message will be in WMF wikis next week. Patch is already working for wikis in the group0 and group1. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:42, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- My long-term project is the creating of a wizard, a series of steps to go through for blocked users in order to understand more precisely what they should ask.
- Most of times people are caught by blocks because they forget to turn of their VPNs, "safe Internet", or because they are using some weirdly configured captive portal.
- What should be tackled is the way our messages create a confusion about different kinds of blocks: users end up thinking gblocks target them, instead of "something being between them and the wikis".
- --Vituzzu (talk) 19:08, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- Heads-up: unfortunately all wikis had to be downgraded to MediaWiki version 1.35.0-wmf.16 because there's something broken in the MediaWiki version 1.35.0-wmf.18. This is expected to be fixed on Monday. If however this is not resolved by then, I'll cherry-pick the patch that included this new message to the 1.35.0-wmf.16 branch and ask that it be backported to that version, making the message available for all wikis. I'll keep you posted. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 23:38, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Simple English Wikipedia is in the group2 of wikis to which the patch has not yet arrived as you can see at https://tools.wmflabs.org/versions/. There's a problem with some coding that is blocking the update as stated in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233866. I expect the new message will be in WMF wikis next week. Patch is already working for wikis in the group0 and group1. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:42, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, that will be good, but it's not working yet. When I try to edit an article on e.g. Simple English Wikipedia using Puffin browser (globally blocked), I still see the old notice with "You can contact Vituzzu to discuss the block", not the new notice that you linked above. Fayenatic london (talk) 12:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- There's no need to alter local messages. After my patch the message that will be displayed to globally rangeblocked IP addresses will be MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-ipblocked-range (on Meta and elsewhere on WMF-wikis). Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)