Grants talk:Project/Rapid/-jem-/Precisions management

Comments from WMF

Hello, -jem, thank you for your grant request, we're glad to see that you are planning to research and improve the precisions. In this regard, I have a few questions:

• You had mentioned that you would primarily target pages of Spanish Wikimedia projects and include projects in other languages later. Would you please clarify what Wikimedia projects are you planning to target in the future? How would you prioritize them?
• Once the tool is ready to go, would you consider creating a page on meta adding details about the tool and instructions on how various Wikimedia communities can request adding new projects and languages to it?

Thank you again for your contribution to Wikimedia projects. Best regards, DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 07:53, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, DSaroyan. Thanks for your input and your good questions. I'll explain on them.

• Wikimedia projects: I intend all my tools to be used long-term in as much projects as ppssible, and my previous and future codes will allow easy adaptation to another languages, but I can't describe an exact planification for other projects currently: my first idea was to wait for requests as the tools are getting used and known by more users, and satisfy them one by one, and I haven't contemplated the option of a more active "incorporation" process because of time limitations. In fact, I have already had some difficulties completing and adjusting other granted projects while maintaining my other "volunteer time" bots and tools, Wikimedia general tasks and real world work. Thinking more in depth about this (and thanks again for "pushing" me to do it), and since I intend to develop more tools and bot modules, maybe a central permanent page in Meta and/or in some of the most important projects will be more useful than a limited notice for each tool and project, but in that case it would be useful to know if other developers have done something similar.

It might even be interesting to go further and coordinate among the developers of different tools and projects, so that each one is in charge of making known the tools of everyone in the project he/she knows best (and that would be one way of prioritizing), and at the same time keep a centralized list (starting from what already exists in Toolforge). For the time being, any help or indication from the WMF will be very welcome, and from there on, it would all be a matter of time and particularly of my perspectives and options for future developments, something that we (WMF and I) have to keep commenting on soon.

• Page on Meta: I have already mentioned the idea in my previous answer. I agree with the idea, although I believe that detailed documentation should always be integrated directly into each tool, for ease of use, and there would be little advantages in duplicating what is already there and having to reflect every change twice, in Meta and in the tool. So, I think the Meta page should contain just a brief description of each tool, and in that case the ideal would be to integrate it and/or follow the model of other existing pages that other developers have, in line with what I commented in my previous answer.

As for the specific issue of attending to requests (not only to incorporate new projects, but also to make improvements, correct errors, add pages when appropriate, etc.), I have also been thinking about it carefully and, considering all my current and future tools, I think the best solution would be a common web interface accessible from all my tools where you can indicate in separate fields the project, page, user, type of request, collaboration that the user can offer, etc. If you think it's appropriate, one option could be to add 3 hours with its corresponding amount to this project to develop it now, or I could incorporate it in the next tool. In the meantime, what I am going to do is to leave in all my tools a more explicit indication and link to my talk page to make any contribution, and I also agree that this can be done from a future page in Meta once its structure has been established, according to what I have been saying before.

I wait for your comments. -jem- (talk) 14:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, @-jem-: thank you for your responses. I'd really love if you could add the additional time required to develop the web interface for facilitating requests to your tools. Please kindly update the grant proposal with this additional information and adjust the budget. Let me know when you are done, so we can move forward with this grant request. Best, DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 08:47, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, DSaroyan, and thanks. Grant proposal updated, as you requested. I wait for your indications. Regards, -jem- (talk) 00:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Additional comments from WMF

Hello -jem-, thank you for the changes in the grant proposal. You will see in our Guidelines and Criteria page under Application Timeline we're only accepting Wiki Loves Africa proposals for the month of December and Art + Feminism proposals for the month of January. Therefore I have to ask you to make additional changes in the proposal and set new dates. Meanwhile, I'm moving your proposal to draft. If you wish to carry out the work on Precisions management outside of December and January I invite you to change it back to proposed in February. Best regards, DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 05:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, DSaroyan (WMF). I'm a little surprised and confused by your decision, so please help me understanding the guidelines (which I had already read) correctly. You are saying that the problem is the start date of the project, and not the proposing/"receiving" date (which was November 13, so a date with no restrictions); so, projects starting in December should only refer to Wiki Loves Africa, and projects starting in January should only refer to Art + Feminism. But I have checked just two projects already funded under the new guidelines, and Grants:Project/Rapid/Awards and photo exposition opening WLM Perú 2019, starting in December, doesn't refer to Wiki Loves Africa, and Grants:Project/Rapid/1LIB1REF Campaign at Western Libraries, starting in January, doesn't refer to Art + Feminism. So I'm missing something. Also, I understand now that I can make future proposals in any month (from day 1 to 15, of course) as long as the start date of the project doesn't belong to a restricted month (or the project refers to the area of the restriction)... and then, I think the guidelines should be rewritten to explain that. Thank you in advance for your clarifications. -jem- (talk) 09:41, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Approved

Hello, User:-jem-, when moving your proposal to draft, I did not consider that it has been submitted before the beginning of the limited months. I really apologize for my mistake and for any inconvenience this may caused you. Thank you again for your submission, I am approving your grant request. Best regards, DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, DSaroyan (WMF). No problem, we can all make mistakes and I included a safety margin in the grant dates estimation. I'll contact soon by email about the required steps. Regards, -jem- (talk) 09:59, 9 January 2020 (UTC)