Community Wishlist Survey 2023/New contributors/New users should see the deletion log when visiting a deleted page on English Wikipedia
New users should see the deletion log when visiting a deleted page on English Wikipedia
- Problem: On English Wikipedia, where we use ArticleCreationWorkflow, new users looking for a topic that has been deleted are not alerted to that fact. The issue is that the extension relocates the user to the new article landing page, so MediaWiki does not show the deletion log as usual because the user is actually viewing a different page.
- Proposed solution: Change ArticleCreationWorkflow to show the deletion log.
- Who would benefit: Users would know that a page had previously existed and why it was deleted. This could also save the need for admin cleanup after duplicates are created.
- More comments:
- Phabricator tickets: phab:T204234
- Proposer: Fayenatic london (talk) 11:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
- (moved from "More comments"): They could already trace an XfD discussion if they clicked on the red link and then on "What links here", but they are unlikely to know this method. (As an additional potential source of confusion, they may get the en:Wikipedia:New user landing page which currently shows at the bottom "This page was last edited on 6 May 2021", and may think that date refers to the topic they were looking for – but that page has no bearing on whether the page they were looking for previously existed.) Fayenatic london (talk) 11:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: So to be clear, we're only talking about wikis where Extension:ArticleCreationWorkflow is deployed (i.e. have a "landing page")? Because all users, logged in and out, are shown the deletion log in MediaWiki. For example, try loading testwiki:Test123 while logged out. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 21:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for that info. I expect you are correct, but I don't know. Assuming you are right, then presumably it is that workflow extension which would need to be amended? IMHO it would be desirable to display the deletion log entry, if any, for the page that the editor was trying to visit. – Fayenatic London 22:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yep! I think that's all there is to it, and hopefully an easy-ish fix. The deletion log wasn't even removed, rather ArticleCreationWorkflow is honoring the community request to redirect to en:Wikipedia:New user landing page, so the default MediaWiki behaviour is bypassed because you're not actually viewing the page that was previously deleted.
- Do you mind if I edit your proposal accordingly? MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 22:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london Forgot to ping. See above. Thanks, MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- I don't mind at all, please go ahead. – Fayenatic London 22:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Okay done, with some slight copy editing that I hope is okay. If it looks good to you, Fayenatic london, I will approve this proposal and mark it for translation. Note also I moved some of the text from the proposal to the discussion section, since it describes detail that I don't think is important to voters. This is merely to save translator's time. Let me know if that is a problem or if the proposal looks good to go. Thanks! MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 22:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Excellent, thank you. – Fayenatic London 23:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Done! I also moved it to the "New contributors" category since that's actually the only users effected. (Auto-)confirmed users can create articles directly in the mainspace, and hence are shown the deletion log as usual. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- The deletion log should be shown for pages that have been deleted (may be in the top of the page) as another iteration of the workflow, as the log is shown on top of the landing page and shown on the wiki. Another way is to tranclude the page into the empty article. Thingofme (talk) 15:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Done! I also moved it to the "New contributors" category since that's actually the only users effected. (Auto-)confirmed users can create articles directly in the mainspace, and hence are shown the deletion log as usual. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Excellent, thank you. – Fayenatic London 23:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Okay done, with some slight copy editing that I hope is okay. If it looks good to you, Fayenatic london, I will approve this proposal and mark it for translation. Note also I moved some of the text from the proposal to the discussion section, since it describes detail that I don't think is important to voters. This is merely to save translator's time. Let me know if that is a problem or if the proposal looks good to go. Thanks! MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 22:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- I don't mind at all, please go ahead. – Fayenatic London 22:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for that info. I expect you are correct, but I don't know. Assuming you are right, then presumably it is that workflow extension which would need to be amended? IMHO it would be desirable to display the deletion log entry, if any, for the page that the editor was trying to visit. – Fayenatic London 22:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- See phab:T204234.--GZWDer (talk) 23:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Oppose, because pages deleted via RfD should generally not be created. New users should be no exception. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 23:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)- @SHB2000: Yes, but they should know it was deleted and needs to be informed about this. --Wargo (talk) 23:03, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- Oops, misread the title. Have struck out my !vote. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 08:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- As the vote is invalid, I have moved this to the Discussion section instead. We only count support votes anyway, I'm just being nitpicky :) Hope that's alright. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 19:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Oops, misread the title. Have struck out my !vote. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 08:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- @SHB2000: Yes, but they should know it was deleted and needs to be informed about this. --Wargo (talk) 23:03, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Voting
- Support NMaia (talk) 23:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support * Pppery * it has begun 03:56, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Кирилл С1 (talk) 14:33, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support OwenBlacker (Talk) 15:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support CROIX (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Bluerasberry (talk) 15:21, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Ivario (talk) 22:10, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support It's useful for the deletion log to be added. Thingofme (talk) 03:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Wiki-uk (talk) 10:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Epifanove (talk) 11:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support CsanMan31 (talk) 17:12, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Thomas Kinz (talk) 00:25, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Izno (talk) 07:54, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support, as it is immensely confusing for a new user when a page "disappears" without a trace. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:17, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Zwd626 (talk) 03:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support SpacedShark (talk) 06:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Meganinja202 (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Quiddity (talk) 21:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Ottawajin (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Matma Rex (talk) 21:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support AshLooming (talk) 00:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support مهدی بهرامی مطلق (talk) 09:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support cyrfaw (talk) 17:44, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Geraki TL 11:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Walter Tau (talk) 02:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Lightoil (talk) 03:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support If seasoned users see deleted pages, so should new users, if they are allowed to create a new article Truthanado (talk) 06:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Vulcan❯❯❯Sphere! 15:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Anonimo88 (talk) 16:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Libertyguy (talk) 21:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Stockmausen (talk) 13:04, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support anything that makes it easier to contribute is good by me. Neoconshooter (talk) 16:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Bnichols23 (talk) 17:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Morten Haan (talk) 18:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Althair (talk) 04:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Krokofant (talk) 09:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support TheDragonFire300 (talk) 13:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)