Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Admins and patrollers/(Un)delete associated talk page
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(Un)delete associated talk page
- Problem: Add a checkbox to the (un)delete forms to (un)delete the associated talk page simultaneously with the content page. Add a corresponding parameter to the (un)delete actions in the Action API.
- Who would benefit: Administrators
- Proposed solution: Self-explanatory.
- More comments: There is a fairly recent WIP patch for some of this. However, the sooner this is delivered the better. This may sound trivial, but there is a lot of stuff that gets deleted and therefore will save quite a bit of time.
- Phabricator tickets: T27471, T263211, T263209
- Proposer: MER-C (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
- Thank you MER-C. The only thing demotivating me from completing that patch is really lack of commitment for review. In my understanding PET is not interested in reviewing patch for this feature and there's really no one else to do. If anyone or team is committing to reviewing I can complete it in as far I am available. And by the way I just abandoned that patch because so many things have changed and it would be easier to rewrite from scratch. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- @MER-C: This would certainly be useful, but don't forget about the API. (the proposal only mentions "checkbox") When tools and gadgets (like Restore-a-lot and DelReqHandler) can do this, it would save loads of work. And creating a language-independent workaround within the gadget is surprisingly difficult because the gadget doesn't "know" in what namespace a page is and even if it did, can't guess the name of the associated talk namespace, and even if it could, performance is already not great and would be roughly halved. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:42, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- Good point, added. MER-C (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- It only takes two simple API calls to get the name of a pages's associated talk page: One to get the pageid (example) and one to the title from pageid (example). That shouldn't be hard for a tool or gadget to do. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Dipsacus fullonum: Thanks! That's easier than what I was thinking of. (a lookup table or something) Performance is still an issue though, and implementing this in gadgets (and having to implement and maintain it in every gadget separately) is likely more error-prone. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- Actually your trick doesn't work for deleted talk pages. So this won't work for undeletion. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Dipsacus fullonum: Thanks! That's easier than what I was thinking of. (a lookup table or something) Performance is still an issue though, and implementing this in gadgets (and having to implement and maintain it in every gadget separately) is likely more error-prone. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- It only takes two simple API calls to get the name of a pages's associated talk page: One to get the pageid (example) and one to the title from pageid (example). That shouldn't be hard for a tool or gadget to do. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- Good point, added. MER-C (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Voting
- Support Would be useful to have DannyS712 (talk) 17:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support -- CptViraj (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Yes please. Kaldari (talk) 18:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sgd. —Hasley 18:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sagivrash (talk) 18:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sebastian Wallroth (talk) 18:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Useful. Count Count (talk) 19:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support --NGC 54 (talk / contribs) 19:16, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Matěj Suchánek (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Maybe also add a warning when deleting a root userpage and this box is ticked. More often than not, user talk pages dont need to be deleted together with the root userpage. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:54, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support —MarcoAurelio (talk) 19:57, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Kisnaak (talk) 20:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support ToBeFree (talk) 20:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support JAn Dudík (talk) 20:47, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support KTC (talk) 21:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support It should have been a feature a long time ago. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support — Jules Talk 22:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Jan Myšák (talk) 22:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Firestar464 (talk) 01:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Mahir256 (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support * Pppery * it has begun 01:47, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support ──post by kenny2wiki Talk Contribs 02:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Shizhao (talk) 02:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Ammarpad (talk) 04:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Michael Kramer (talk) 08:06, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Tmv (talk) 08:20, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Ellif (talk) 08:50, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Thomas Kinz (talk) 08:55, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Samwalton9 (talk) 09:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Callanecc (talk) 09:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Wiki13 (talk) 10:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sakretsu (炸裂) 11:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support ‐‐1997kB (talk) 12:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Obviously. Ján Kepler (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. MER-C (talk) 20:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support — WinnerWolf99 talkWhat did I break now? 20:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Civvì (talk) 21:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Nehaoua (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose This is just a hounding/stalking incident waiting to happen, and I don't think the benefits outweigh the risks. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)- Comment @GeneralNotability: I am not sure to understand your point of view. This proposal is for talk pages for articles rather than user talk pages. If an article gets deleted, then undeleted, then its associated talk page is permanently gone. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 11:22, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- MarioSuperstar77, oops - not sure what happened, this comment was supposed to go under the "watchlist a user" wishlist entry. Struck. GeneralNotability (talk) 14:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment @GeneralNotability: I am not sure to understand your point of view. This proposal is for talk pages for articles rather than user talk pages. If an article gets deleted, then undeleted, then its associated talk page is permanently gone. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 11:22, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Darwin Ahoy! 01:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Its just one button and it would be so very useful. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 03:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - yona B. (D) 07:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Ostrzyciel (talk) 13:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Meiræ 15:09, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Libcub (talk) 18:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Srđan (talk) 22:07, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support KevinL (aka L235 · t) 01:01, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Wutsje (talk) 04:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Obviously, I authored two of the linked Phabricator tickets. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Encycloon (talk) 15:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Asartea Talk (Enwiki Talk (preferred)) 16:01, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Bencemac (talk) 16:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Dreamy Jazz talk to me | enwiki 16:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Szalax (talk) 16:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support OosWesThoesBes (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Townie (talk) 17:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support czar 18:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support ONUnicorn (talk) 18:15, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support --Andyrom75 (talk) 18:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Robins7 (talk) 22:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Redalert2fan (talk) 00:06, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support --Alaa :)..! 01:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support ~Cybularny Speak? 11:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Wedhro (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Hayden Wong 907 (talk) 03:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 06:05, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Wikibenchris (talk) 08:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support -- the wub "?!" 18:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support ~ Amory (u • t • c) 19:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support —Eihel (talk) 21:08, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support --Achim (talk) 09:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Terra ❤ (talk) 09:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support —— Eric Liu(留言.百科用戶頁) 11:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Michel Bakni (talk) 13:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support —Thanks for the fish! talk•contribs 22:20, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support — Draceane talkcontrib. 12:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Spencer (talk) 15:46, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 18:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Teratix ₵ 05:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sounds very helpful. --BDD (talk) 18:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Base (talk) 19:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support RLuts (talk) 19:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Golmore (talk) 11:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support --Superchilum(talk to me!) 12:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support It would be nice to have the option as admin to have the check for "not create redirect" would be than active for the talk page, too. Quedel (talk) 21:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Will definitely save time: after an undeletion, I often find that I have to go back to the admin and ask them to also restore the corresponding talk page. Uanfala (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support A great idea! Vachovec1 (talk) 21:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support WikiAviator (talk) 11:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Geonuch (talk) 13:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Barkeep49 (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Ahmadtalk 03:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support David1010 (talk) 11:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support NicoScribe (talk) 16:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Schniggendiller (talk) 17:01, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support stjn[ru] 17:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)