Опитування побажань спільноти (2015)/Списки спостереження
Додати список спостереження за користувачами
Дайте редакторам змогу «спостерігати за цим користувачем», додавши відповідну вкладку або посилання на сторінки (обговорення) користувачів, сторінки їхнього внеску, в історії редагувань, на Спеціальна:Блокування та в інші відповідні місця, та створіть окрему спеціальну сторінку для спостереження за користувачами, на якій має відображатися останній внесок користувачів, які перебувають у такому списку спостереження.
- Як адмін, я хотів би мати змогу перевіряти внесок потенційно проблематичних редакторів протягом якогось часу в майбутньому.
- Як досвідчений користувач, я хочу стежити за кожним кроком новачка, якого я інструктую, аби виправляти його редагування, асистувати в обговореннях, курирувати його діяльність загалом, без необхідності додавати до списку спостереження усі ті сторінки, які він/вона редагує — таким чином, щоб весь мій час ішов саме на допомогу новачкові.
- Як вікітренер із десятками людей, за якими доводиться слідкувати, я хочу мати сторінку, де я матиму повний огляд всієї їхньої активності, яка контролюватиметься «центральним» списком імен користувачів, який я можу просто редагувати/вставити десь на одній сторінці. Тоді я матиму змогу попрацювати над конкретними редагуваннями/сторінками/користувачами, або ж просто дізнатися, що загалом відбувається.
За необхідності, аби пом'якшити занепокоєння можливістю переслідування користувачів, обмежте доступ до такого списку лише для адмінів. Зараз я користуюся дечим, що я склепав сам, однак це справді треба внести в ядро MediaWiki. MER-C (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Голосування
- Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support as proposer. MER-C (talk) 09:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Samwalton9 (talk) 10:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Lugnuts (talk) 12:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Looking through this page, I wonder if the watchlist needs a total rewrite from scratch... This, that and the other (talk) 13:30, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support. --Stryn (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Matiia (talk) 20:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Grind24 (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support OK. xaosflux Talk 00:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support there's a sort of work-around by watching the user talk p. and hoping problems show up there, but this is much more direct. DGG (talk) 02:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support. I think this is a desirable thing, even if it's decided to restrict it to Admins or special usergroups. IJBall (talk) 03:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support, Linedwell (talk) 12:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Syum90 (talk) 12:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support tufor (talk) 14:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Arnd (talk) 14:58, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Infinite0694 (Talk) 16:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support JackPotte (talk) 16:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- SupportSadads (talk) 16:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Goombiis (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Dodi123 (talk) 17:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Tdslk (talk) 19:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support -- Akela (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Usien6 (talk) 21:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC) // Should be consistently integrated into the regular watchlist.
- Support --Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:06, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support also for non-admins. It can be useful to track infrequent vandals too. Stalking, if that's a concern, is already possible with the regular 'user contributions' too. Gap9551 (talk) 22:17, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Helder 23:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Tar Lócesilion (queta) 00:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Very useful idea. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Chaoborus (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Sidevar (talk) 09:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Graham87 (talk) 12:25, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Would be very useful in vandal fighting instead of periodically going back to problematic editors' contributions pages to make sure they have stopped their behavior. DiscantX 12:58, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Casliber (talk) 13:33, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support — NickK (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Yes. Regards, Kertraon (talk) 13:44, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Support but only for admins and those with a user right created for this purpose.Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 13:59, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support H.Rabiega (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support YBG (talk) 05:49, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support - very useful in combating vandalism. --Carrotkit (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support -24Talk 05:52, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support If stalkers are or become enough of an issue, then make it a requestable user right requiring some sort of minimum account age and edit count, with simple admin approval. Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --AS (talk) 09:59, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Hektor Absurdus (talk) 10:08, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Rzuwig► 11:09, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Extremely useful in combating vandalism. - Earth Saver(talk)Peace, strive, save the Earth! at 13:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--James970028 (talk) 13:12, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Bowleerin (talk) 13:22, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support I can think of a few cases I'm involved in where this would be most useful. --SuperJew (talk) 14:59, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Sarahj2107 (talk) 22:13, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support I have been wanting this for years! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:57, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support SantiLak (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support GY Fan★ 11:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support - I first heard this idea several years ago, and I still think it's a great one. Mark MacD (talk) 13:02, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --The Polish (talk) 17:38, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Bináris tell me 18:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Avgr8 (talk) 20:48, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose I think this could be a useful tool for admins or maybe a specific user group, but even if restricted there's a huge potential for abuse and/or erosion of AGF (as well as BITE, fresh start, and other related principles). Also, if it's treated like the regular watchlist, it presents transparency issues, and if made public, it becomes bitey or at least uncomfortable (nobody wants to know they're being actively surveiled). In short, this raises enough questions and concerns regarding community warm and fuzzies and the potential for abuse is high enough that I don't think WMF should be involved with this, if it's attempted at all — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:02, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support I don't see the "transparency issues" referred to in the above !vote; anybody who's maliciously stalking another editor can already keep a browser tab open on that user's contributions and press F5 every few minutes. This would be useful in fighting vandals. DexDor (talk) 19:51, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support very beneficial for patrollers. Noyster (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Ziko (talk) 14:11, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Clearly this would be more efficient than "manual" approaches, but that's often the case with covert surveillance techniques and doesn't make them any more popular with the public. I'd worry that this capability could be misused in unpredictable ways. I'd prefer to see it restricted to situations where the account-being-watchlisted has received one of the more severe user warnings, with a period of supervision linked to the level of warning. That would at least indicate that the account's actions might be monitored for a while. On that basis the right would be suitable for experienced editors who have a track record of issuing relevant warnings and escalating to AIV appropriately. It's nothing to do with adminship per se. - Pointillist (talk) 14:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Conditional support. Support if limited only to admins, and if the editor who was put into the watchlist receives automatic notification about this. Without it, oppose for transparency reasons. Beagel (talk) 14:17, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support -- We've needed this for years. Antandrus (talk) 16:48, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose this pretty strongly. If not restricted to admins, encourages clique-behavior, meatpuppetry, and cabals broadly construed. Not good! If restricted only to admins, invites the perception of abuse-of-power: when the list of followers/followees is hidden from view, looks like corruption ("secret enemies list"), but when the list of followers/followees is transparently visible to all, looks like bullying ("I'm watching you punk so go ahead and make my day"). It doesn't matter if 100% of admins use the tool properly, and nobody every pulls a Richard Nixon or a Dirty Harry move -- it still would LOOK LIKE corruption and/or bullying. Wikipedia is not facebook, see en:WP:NOTFACEBOOK, and it is also not en:twitter. We don't need people with 'followers' that stalk their edit-history, either to applaud their every move, or to revert their every effort. It is already easy (too easy!) to track and en:WP:HOUND other people. This proposal is a step in the wrong direction. I understand it was proposed in good faith, and I see the utility for collaborative teamwork among good-faith wikipedians, and for wiki-cops trying to serve-n-protect the 'pedia, but no matter how it is implemented, this proposal won't turn out well: the only winning move is not to play. 75.108.94.227 17:13, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Needed for a long time. aegis maelstrom δ 11:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Davidpar (talk) 14:48, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Міжпроектний список спостереження
Тепер, коли фіналізація SUL вже завершилася, більше немає очевидних перешкод для розробки відповідного міжпроектного списку спостереження. Це дуже давній запит (phab:T5525, ще з вересня 2005 р.), і його подають як одну з причин, чому користувачі, скажімо, з Вікіпедії, неохоче відокремлюються для праці на Мета-вікі, Вікісховищі тощо. Були зусилля, спрямовані на розробку такої функції як зовнішнього інструменту OAuth (phab:T92955), однак насправді це треба розробити в межах самої MediaWiki, певною мірою узгоджуючи все це з існуючою сторінкою Спеціальна:Список спостереження. This, that and the other (talk) 10:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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Right now every time I want to check my watchlist, I do it separately for Persian Wikipedia, Commons, English Wikipedia, Meta, and Wikidata. I have to open five pages and check them one by one. If we can have a central place for all of my watched pages (or at least some number of opt-in wikis). It would make my life much easier. We do have a tool in WMF Labs but something integrated with mediawiki sounds more convenient to users. Amir (talk) 23:47, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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Голосування
- Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Jenks24 (talk) 10:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Gnom (talk) 12:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support This, that and the other (talk) 13:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Mr. Granger (talk) 17:42, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Patrick87 (talk) 18:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support — Bilorv (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Matiia (talk) 20:18, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Grind24 (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support We have enough people at en:wp who refuse to use Commons for fear that their images will be deleted "without warning". This would presumably help alleviate that problem to an extent. Nyttend (talk) 21:38, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Voll (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support ONUnicorn (talk)
- Support--Kippelboy (talk) 05:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Gbeckmann (talk) 09:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support-- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Linedwell (talk) 12:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Waiting for this for years --mfb (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Syum90 (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support tufor (talk) 14:56, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Wittylama (talk) 15:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--KRLS (talk) 15:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Master of Contributions (talk) 15:23, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Continua Evoluzione (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--JohanahoJ (talk) 15:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Infinite0694 (Talk) 16:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support JackPotte (talk) 16:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- SupportSadads (talk)
- Support Goombiis (talk) 16:37, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Dodi123 (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Isacdaavid (talk) 17:57, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Apokrif (talk) 20:03, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Hkoala (talk) 20:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Akela (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Usien6 (talk) 21:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC) // Also the additional features from the Labs tool (eg. inline display of diff's) plus the ability to dismiss the notifications you already acknowledged (may be implemented with cookies to exempt the server from load) and a quick "send thanks" button.
- Support -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 21:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Nouill (talk) 21:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Gap9551 (talk) 22:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support StevenJ81 (talk) 22:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Helder 23:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Tar Lócesilion (queta) 00:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Oriciu (talk) 00:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Chaoborus (talk) 02:29, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Popcorndude (talk) 03:54, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support provided that users can easily opt out of it. Would like to see it able to be selective as well, so that users can group together some but not all projects. Risker (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Syced (talk) 05:20, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Stanko (talk) 08:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Litlok (talk) 08:40, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Bgwhite (talk) 09:36, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Barcelona (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Graham87 (talk) 12:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support This would be useful even for editors who have only made a handful of edits outside of their main wiki. DiscantX 13:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Casliber (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Yes. Regards, Kertraon (talk) 13:46, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --β16 – (talk) 14:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support. That was the feature that justified forced SUL unification, and it has to be implemented — NickK (talk) 15:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Mike Peel (talk) 23:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support YBG (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Carrotkit (talk) 05:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support -24Talk 05:52, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 09:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Rzuwig► 11:09, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support - tucoxn\talk 14:11, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support — Arkanosis ✉ 15:10, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Orbwiki107 (talk) 17:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Theredmonkey (talk) 19:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Nikkimaria (talk) 01:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support SantiLak (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --The Polish (talk) 17:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Bináris tell me 18:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Halibutt (talk) 00:28, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Much more convenient.- Earth Saver(talk)Peace, strive, save the Earth! at 13:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Much needed for anyone who ever cross-wikis. Alsee (talk) 18:12, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support J36miles (talk) 00:52, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Courcelles 08:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support (as for me, a kind-of-two-tabbed watchlist — with the local and the crosswatch version — would already be a huge benefit compared to the little-known, not-so-easy-to-find extra tool whose existense is a big step forward indeed) → «« Man77 »» [de] 18:17, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Edgars2007 (talk) 09:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Beagel (talk) 14:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support -- yup. SUL owes us that. :) Ijon (talk) 10:07, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Davidpar (talk) 14:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Випадні дифи останніх редагувань
Це вже було впроваджено у Crosswatch. Цю функцію треба ввести і у Спеціальна:Список спостереження. Це революційне нововведення, яке дозволить редагувати більше. Якщо редактори зможуть редагувати більше за той самий період часу, це дозволить утримувати кількість активних редакторів (із 5 або більше редагуваннями за місяць):
- File:Active editors on English Wikipedia over time.png --Timeshifter (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Голосування
- Support --Usien6 (talk) 21:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC) // Plus the ability to dismiss the notifications you already acknowledged (may be implemented with cookies to exempt the server from load) and a quick "send thanks" button.
- Support Should make it easier to check the watchlist in one go. DiscantX 13:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support There's already a gadget to see this in popups, but a dropdown that's built-in certainly would be nicer to have. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:07, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support That watchlist really is a lot nicer than the watchlists we currently have. Too bad this proposal is not getting votes - probably that is in part because the title and description are unclear and you have to look at the screenshot on another page to see what it's about. --V111P (talk) 22:08, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support SantiLak (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support I agree with V111P that it needs a better explanation (and I don't get the relationship to the number of active editors), but afaics from the screenshot it means that you can look at a diff without needing another mouseclick to return to the watchlist. That would make watchlist checking more efficient (especially for those editors with good size screens). It would also be neat if it could show not just the last edit to a page but previous edits (as one diff) if they are by the same editor. DexDor (talk) 22:59, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Beagel (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:55, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Список спостереження для розділів
Було б чудово, якби я міг спостерігати за певними розділами сторінки, замість цілої статті, особливо на сторінках на кшталт Кнайпи у Вікіпедії. Інакше відповідні зміни до розділів, що мене цікавлять, витісняються подальшими змінами до інших розділів.
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Голосування
- Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support MisterSynergy (talk) 09:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Samwalton9 (talk) 10:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Jenks24 (talk) 10:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Gnom (talk) 12:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Lugnuts (talk) 12:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support MrX (talk) 15:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Menner (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC) Adding watchlist for the first heading level would be sufficient if UI looks overloaded during testing.
- Support Tryptofish (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Enos733 (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Dalba 21:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support --UV (talk) 23:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support IJBall (talk) 03:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Wugapodes (talk) 05:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support —Ynhockey (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support — Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Shizhao (talk) 09:45, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--JohanahoJ (talk) 15:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Infinite0694 (Talk) 16:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Sadads (talk) 16:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Apokrif (talk) 20:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Akela (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Yes! Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:20, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Popcorndude (talk) 03:54, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support and please note that this is something very different from what Flow is attempting to offer. Risker (talk) 04:36, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Often only part of the page is of interest to me. DiscantX 13:05, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support as long as renamed sections continue to be watched. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:11, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support, per Risker — NickK (talk) 15:43, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Yes, for talk pages, ANI, and various other places where I don't want to watch the whole page but want to look for comments on a particular topic. PamD (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support YBG (talk) 05:52, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Rzuwig► 11:09, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support preach --SuperJew (talk) 14:59, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Logical Fuzz (talk) 21:56, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Nikkimaria (talk) 01:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support SantiLak (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Mlpearc (open channel) 17:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Bináris tell me 18:20, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Gods yes! I help out at DRN from time to time and we have just started discussing sub-pages for this exact reason; so we can watch the pertinent discussions. So much use for the other Noticeboards as well! Let alone the article pages. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 23:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support J36miles (talk) 00:53, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:04, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Probably not that useful for articles, but for discussion pages, please, yes. Courcelles 08:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Would make it possible to follow a particular section of interest on public forums that see many threads per day. Noyster (talk) 22:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Wikipedia is hurt every day by the absence of watchable sections, at least in those cases where editors have chosen to put important "to-do" items in a particular section on a busy page, but people decline to follow up with the to-do list because they don't want to have to click and read every time someone makes an edit to the busy page. I added a bot request for this that's going nowhere. The lack of watchability is a significant time sink for me at WP:ERRORS on en.wp's Main Page. The claim at Phab that coders can't give us this because they can't figure out how to track sections in wikicode is irrelevant; if we can identify a list of sections we want to make watchable, it's only necessary to take a diff of the page edits periodically, discard everything above and below selected (and possibly hidden) text, and check for equality. If it's necessary, it wouldn't bother me to limit watchability only to those sections where it's been demonstrated that lack of watchability is causing an ongoing problem. Dank (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment
If technically possible, I'd like to be able to watch a category in the sense that I can see whenever a page is added or removed from the category.Gap9551 (talk) 23:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC) - Support useful. Alsee (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support only for discussion pages. That would be useful if you want the fastest response in your watched section. But Oppose on articles, templates, and others that aren't discussion pages, as it is useless in non-discussion pages. It would be better to watch the whole article to prevent vandalism. --Pokéfan95 (talk) 05:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. It is unclear for me how it will work in the reality. I understand its usefulness in the case of Afd, Cfd, different notice boards etc, but how it would be work in the case of ordinary articles? If I would like to have the full article in my watchlist, should I add all sections of that article separately to the watchlist or is it still possible to have the whole article in the watchlist as a single entry? I support this proposal if both options will be available; otherwise strong oppose as it will mess up the watchlist. Beagel (talk) 14:36, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Інструменти для перехідних редакторів для аналізу тихих скасувань
Опис проблеми
Я — перехідний редактор: більшість своїх редагувань я здійснюю на сторінках, до яких я більше не повернусь. Час від часу я отримую відгуки щодо моїх редагувань у формі відкритого скасування, однак це відбувається нечасто. Якби я був оптимістом, то б поплескав себе по спині та вирішив би, що мою роботу прийняли. Однак я реаліст, і знаю, що чимало моїх редагувань були тихо скасовані після того, як я «покинув сцену» — інший редактор просто відредагував сторінку після мого редагування, замість того, щоб скасувати мій внесок. Це і є моє визначення тихого скасування.
Я можу уявити собі дві причини, чому здійснюються тихі редагування:
- Найпоширенішою є, мабуть, редагування іншого перехідного редактора, який просто опиняється на сторінці, нічого не знає про її історію, і всього лиш редагує те, що, на його/її думку, треба виправити.
- Є також декілька редакторів, що здійснюють тихі скасування потай цілеспрямовано. В моєму випадку ці типи є переслідувачами, які з якихось причин, якими вони ніколи не ділилися зі мною, не люблять моїх редагувань. Вони знають, що я не спостерігаю за сторінками, які редагую, і користуються цим.
Запит на інструмент
Було б добре мати інструмент, який можна було б використовувати для аналізу вибірки статей, які редагував користувач, аби легко відстежувати тихі скасування.
Перепрошую за публікацію цього недоробленого запиту на інструмент, але, схоже, закінчується час, відведений для цього етапу опитування. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:34, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Support. --Stryn (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 15:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Popcorndude (talk) 03:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment I think this proposal isn't warranted due to probable very limited use of it, but there's an English Wikipedia script that can help you: en:User:Markhurd/hidetopcontrib.js -- on your Contributions page, running this will hide all the pages where you were the last editor, making review of pages edited since your last edit much easier to do. I would love to see this incorporated into the base wiki code. It has helped enormously with pages I ordinarily do not want to watch, yet I want to see if anyone has touched my previous work in an unconstructive manner. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support SantiLak (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment There's a proposal above to watchlist sections of a page (mainly for certain discussion pages, but it'd be useful for articles as well). That would allow you to keep an eye on changes to a section you're interested in without as much watchlist noise as watchlisting the whole article - that seems a better solution than attempting to detect silent reverts. DexDor (talk) 20:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per Popcorndude and DexDor. Beagel (talk) 14:39, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Налаштування пріоритетів у списку спостереження
Чимало вікіпедистів-ветеранів мають списки спостереження, в яких містяться тисячі статей, які виходять далеко за межі можливостей ефективного управління. Якщо такий вікіпедист не має змоги редагувати протягом певного періоду (скажімо, один тиждень), тоді простий перегляд змін до статей у списку спостереження може зайняти години і стати марудною роботою, якої редактори просто уникатимуть, ймовірною ціною чого може стати пропущений вандалізм та/або редагування, які їм таки варто було побачити.
Існують зовнішні інструменти для створення та організування списків спостережень різними способами, однак мені б хотілось, щоб багато з таких функцій були вбудовані як частина MediaWiki. Одним важливим доповненням було б тегування статей із «високим пріоритетом», приблизно як на GMail, де є тег для «важливих» електронних листів. Тоді як наявність декількох списків спостереження могло б непрямо посприяти вирішенню й цієї проблеми, все ж було б чудово мати змогу помічати в існуючому списку спостереження статті, позначені як «важливі», та могти відфільтрувати їх так, як зараз користувачі можуть показати/приховати свої редагування, показати/приховати редагування ботів тощо. —Ynhockey (talk) 20:49, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support MER-C (talk) 09:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Samwalton9 (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Lugnuts (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support cool suggestion! Alleycat80 (talk) 09:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Ovedc (talk) 09:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Apokrif (talk) 20:06, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Usien6 (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support There definitely needs to be a way to differentiate between pages on a watchlist, by priority, topic, or something similar to reduce the volume of edits an user needs to go through after an absence. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:21, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Barcelona (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Casliber (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support, just two priorities (high and low) would be enough — NickK (talk) 15:44, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support and I also have a similar idea to tame watchlists: Implement phab:T58719 for watchists (and recent changes). If I could click "hide trusted", that would really trim down what I see. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support But I don't want "high-priority" only. In fact, I disabled this option on Gmail. Instead, I use tags/markers and different types of "stars". That's what I want.--MisterSanderson (talk) 01:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Ldorfman (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support particlelarly the duration idea. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:24, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support SantiLak (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Mlpearc (open channel) 17:34, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Chenspec (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support, I haven't used my watchlist in years, precisely for this reason. Halibutt (talk) 00:29, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Yeza (talk) 17:04, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support; oh so many times I come back after a few days and I have to use the advanced search in multiple tabs. So annoying! I can't believe this hasn't already happened, but who knows, WMF may just have a good reason gathering dust somewhere since it got discarded. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 23:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support J36miles (talk) 00:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support in anticipation of a time that I don't check my watchlist multiple times a day :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support (although not high priority) - particularly if it automatically put subpages of your user page (and their talk pages if necessary) on the priority list. DexDor (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support OMG yes. Dank (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Mz7 (talk) 04:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Beagel (talk) 14:42, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Z 12:35, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:56, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support -- would make my watchlist more useful. Ijon (talk) 10:06, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Обмежений час перебування у списку спостереження
Я б хотів мати змогу встановлювати граничний час перебування елементів у списку спостереження, скажімо, один тиждень чи один місяць. Існує багато сторінок, над якими я працюю або в яких відкидаю вандалізм, і які я хотів би мати в своєму списку спостереження протягом короткого періоду часу, але не зацікавлений у постійному їх перебуванні в такому списку. Інтерфейс користувача, який я собі уявляю, мав би містити всього лиш додаткові кнопки, які пропонували б: спостерігати за цією сторінкою постійно, спостерігати за нею протягом одного тижня, спостерігати протягом одного місяця. Derek Andrews (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support MER-C (talk) 09:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Samwalton9 (talk) 10:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Lugnuts (talk) 12:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support IJBall (talk) 14:00, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Tryptofish (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support — Bilorv (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Graham11 (talk) 03:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Gbeckmann (talk) 09:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Shizhao (talk) 09:45, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Syum90 (talk) 12:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Arnd (talk) 14:58, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Wittylama (talk) 15:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Continua Evoluzione (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Goombiis (talk) 16:38, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Isacdaavid (talk) 17:49, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Kimdime (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Neutral Seems useful, but not necessarily a priority. This system would probably also require a method of notifying users when watched pages become un-watched, which seems like a lot of work for something users can already do manually with more control. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Gap9551 (talk) 22:35, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Related, I'd like to be able to search my own user contribution list for articles that have been edited since my last edit, i.e., show only my latest edit for each page except those for which I'm still the last editor. That would make it quick and easy to see which of my edits may have been changed in the last few days. Gap9551 (talk) 22:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Gap9551: check out en:User:Markhurd/hidetopcontrib.js. It does exactly what you need. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:56, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Stevietheman: Great, thanks! Gap9551 (talk) 21:07, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Gap9551: check out en:User:Markhurd/hidetopcontrib.js. It does exactly what you need. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:56, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Helder 23:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Chaoborus (talk) 02:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Hand in hand with this, being able to remove pages from one's watchlist directly from the watchlist would be incredibly useful. Risker (talk) 04:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Jarekt (talk) 05:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Litlok (talk) 08:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Bgwhite (talk) 09:37, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Sidevar (talk) 10:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support DiscantX 13:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --β16 - (talk) 14:31, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support — NickK (talk) 15:44, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support There are pages I watch expressly for this purpose, but I don't want it to be beyond so many months. One month probably isn't enough for a lot of these cases. More specifically, it would be nice to be able to say "stop watching this so many months after the last vandalism", but that's probably too much to ask for. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Yes – I've got a ridiculously large watchlist and in many cases a month or so would be fine, as any contentious editing would almost certainly have been done by then. PamD (talk) 22:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Mike Peel (talk) 23:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --AS (talk) 10:01, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --V111P (talk) 11:17, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --SuperJew (talk) 15:01, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Sarahj2107 (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support SantiLak (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Mark MacD (talk) 13:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Bináris tell me 18:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Halibutt (talk) 00:30, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support J36miles (talk) 00:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support KylieTastic (talk) 16:19, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support I don't think this is something that has occurred to me before, but it seems like a smart feature request — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support but this should be far down the priority list. Courcelles 08:39, 8 December 2015 (UTC
- Support Aircorn (talk) 08:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Yes! Then I would maybe start using my watchlist again. --Waldir (talk) 15:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose unless amended to "remove from watchlist after specified period *if & only if* there have been no further changes since it was added to the watchlist". I don't want entries to disappear irrespective of further activity! Noyster (talk) 23:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Bcharles (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support--Ziko (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support OMGx2 yes. Dank (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support This is a much needed way to avoid permanently clogging up the watchlist. Alsee (talk) 00:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support This would be useful to reduce the needless size of watchlists. Mz7 (talk) 04:47, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support --Z 12:35, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support Very useful. --Sphilbrick (talk) 15:22, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Support very useful. Saves having to seasonally prune one's watchlist and remove precisely those pages that you only wanted to watch for short-term reverts or comments. Ijon (talk) 10:08, 14 December 2015 (UTC)