Wikivoyage/Lounge/Archive/2014-06

Wikimania Leaflets

A group of proactive Wikimedians has generously offered to design and produce leaflets for distribution at Wikimania 2014. These leaflets are to promote WikiProjects (Wikipedia interest groups) and non-Wikipedia WMF projects (like ours!). See //wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets for details. I think it would behoove Wikivoyage to submit a request for a leaflet. Any other thoughts? LtPowers (talk) 12:41, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be a good thing to assist in promoting Wikivoyage - ps I just love the word behoove. Matroc (talk) 02:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

This is really a nice idea. We should use it. --RolandUnger (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Totally agree. Anything that could spread the knowledge of voy is always welcome. --Andyrom75 (talk) 08:48, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I've added an application for Wikivoyage; please feel free to edit it. LtPowers (talk) 23:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

interwiki links and Itineraries

The linkages between languages for our Itineraries is pretty convoluted. These recent edits to Wikidata exemplify the problem. It appears we have at least two different Wikidata entries for Itineraries, and I can't tell what the difference is. We have d:Q1322323 ("Itineraries") and d:Q14549023 (unlabeled). Only the former links to English Wikivoyage, but both link to German (the first to voy:de:Thema:Reiserouten and the second to voy:de:Thema:Liste der Reiserouten, and I'll be darned if I can understand what the difference is between the two). Anyone have any idea what's going on? LtPowers (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The first page ("Itineraries") is an introductory page giving access to subregions, too. The second one only a complete listing of all routes. --RolandUnger (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm still not sure how to straighten out the Wikidata linkages, though. LtPowers (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

multi lingual display for Destination of the month

Mates,

regular users of the German and English WV might have noticed that this month for the first time we coordinated to display Travemünde https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Travem%C3%BCnde & https://de.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Travem%C3%BCnde as a joint destination of the month/otbp respectively. It took almost a year in preparation and scheduling to get both articles to guide level and coordinate the communities. The main advantage is/was that there was a collaboration between the communities and awareness that wv is bigger than any community of every language.

The German and English communities indicated interest to take it to another level and try to see if we can collaborate as much languages on one destination for one month. To allow anyone to participate in the decision which destination and which month, this is in essence an opener to discuss how and when it is best done. I'm willing to help with coordination with languages i understand and would preferrably try to get feedback which languages of wv would be willing to participate and get ideas which destination it could be. Regards, Jc8136 (talk) 12:31, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

On French Wikivoyage, our "lumière sur" or article displayed on the main page is chosen randomly between all articles that have been voted "étoilé" (equivalent to featured articles I guess). We have a "contribution of the month" where we invite contributors to develop a specific page for the month though. Amqui (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I think that should also be great to choose a DoM linked with some important events (eg 2015's expo in Milan or Olympic games). --Lkcl it (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

@Lkcl it, on :en we did it for the summer olympics in London in 2012 but Rio 2016 is too far i assume. Miland could be an option.

@Amqui its not unusal that before lumière sur/Dotm it is featured to bring it to etoile/guide as contribution of the month. Do you have a preffered destination in mind? Would so prefer an event (expo 15 Milan?) or others? On :en Lisbon was suggested. Jc8136 (talk) 17:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I was saying that we don't have any DoM on our main page. The only thing "for the month" on our main page is "Contribution of the Month" which invites contributors to develop an article, so it cannot be an article that has guide status already. Our featured articles, for now anyway, are randomly chosen for each visit amongst all articles that have the étoilé status (one status above guide). Amqui (talk) 00:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Milan could be a good choice, both for the importance of the event (Expo), and for the time that we have from now to the event (2015), but also for the fact that recently in it:voy we have worked a lot on the touristic division of the region Lombardia with all the relevant articles, and on en:voy have been created the articles for the Milan districts. So it could be good to merge these two effort through all the language versions (that will participate to the collaboration). --Andyrom75 (talk) 21:17, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Andyrom75. Lkcl it (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I fully agree with both Andyrom75 and Lkcl it. Milan could be a good DoM. It is neither too late nor too soon and we all have already a good outline on all linguistic versions. But, over and above that, I find exciting and useful to coordinate our projects. It will certainly help the whole Wikivoyage to grow. --Nastoshka (talk) 11:04, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Amqui, ok understood. Would there be an exeption to the randomness possible? E.g. if we would agree to present Milan in May 2015, would there be a way to display it in that month or would community consensus against such deviation from Lumiere sur? This would make the effort easier. @ Nastoshka, Andyrom75, Lkcl it: I assume the italian proposal is Milan in May 2015. Let's see what others have to say. Jc8136 (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@ Jc8136 I think Milan could be a very good choice, since Milan Expo 2015 includes more than 140 countries as partecipants and so it may become also a symbol of our cooperation and may be of interest for million travelers from all over the world; How better than that for a project as Wikivoyage? But as you said, let's see what others have to say. --Nastoshka (talk) 13:02, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I guess it would be possible to overrule the random rule without any problems for a specific month, but the article would need to have been voted "étoilé" by the community before being featured on the main page in my opinion. Amqui (talk) 14:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

An other solution is to create a new category on french wikivoyage , so we have «Lumière sur» (maybe we should find an other name) to show one of our best article on french version, a new DoM category that is coordinate with other wikivoyage and a collaboration of the month category (that don't show a spécific place but a zone where there a lot to do : region, big city,country) . Inkey (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I still think DoM should only be articles that are "étoilé". No point on showing a "featured" article on the main page if it's not of high quality, just because other Wikivoyage versions are featuring it. Yes it would be nice to have the same destination displayed, but only if the article has been developed and voted by the community ahead of time. Amqui (talk) 20:56, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Amqui i agree it needs to be etoile.

I posted the proposal for Milan in the German & English pub. In en Mexico City was discussed as well as Wikimania 2015 takes places their. Also Expo15 in en would rather qualify as Featured Travel Topic but lets see. At least no initial opposition. Jc8136 (talk) 06:30, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

User:Balou46, a German WV admin, indicated interest in collaborating for Milan. Lets wait a couple of days to see if other communities have ideas. Jc8136 (talk) 12:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I think it's great that we had an inter-lingual feature of en:voy:Travemünde and de:voy:Travemünde, and I love the idea of doing more inter-lingual features. However, en:voy:Milan will need a lot of work, because it is currently only at Usable status, and according to site rules, only articles at Guide status or above are eligible for nomination to be featured on the front page. By the way, étoilé would seemingly be equivalent to en.wikivoyage's Star rating. I'm seeing 10 articles étoilés, and there is no overlap whatsoever between them and the Starred articles in en.wikivoyage, so a good project in en.wikivoyage and any other language version would be to concentrate on translating these particular fr.wikivoyage articles. Once that is done sufficiently to bring the other language version's article up to at least Guide or whatever level is acceptable on each site, a joint feature would be possible. For everyone's reference, here is the fr.wikivoyage list of articles étoilés and here is the equivalent en.wikivoyage list. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Considering that the jointly DoM would occur far in the future there's no need to choose one star article right now, because we have a lot of time to transform it into a star one. This would also allow to not exclude any language version from the collaboration. --Andyrom75 (talk) 12:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

True. May 2015 is almost a year away. But front-page featured articles are usually chosen at least 2-3 months in advance on en.voy, and often 6 or more months in advance. I definitely think this can be done and is an exciting idea; I'm just pointing out that it will take a lot of work. I will propose that we on en.voy make en:voy:Milan the Collaboration of the Month within the next 5 months or so, and any language version that wants to participate in this cross-wiki feature and has a Milan article that's a level or more lower than the minimum status required to be considered for a feature might want to do the same thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:21, 23 June 2014 (UTC)