User talk:RespectCE

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Lemonaka (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikimedia Meta-Wiki has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages are not tolerated on Meta and will be speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages will be blocked from editing Meta. Thank you. Lemonaka (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

To be honest I really don't understand what the gibberish you are talking about. If you have a private conflict with one of the editors of the Ukrainian Wikipedia, please solve it locally, the RFC board is already confusing enough, don't come back and make addition to the confusion. Lemonaka (talk) 00:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

gibberish? The fact that pro-SS and pro-Nazi userboxes are available on Ukrainian wikipedia is a MAJOR problem. And I shouldn't have to explain that 88 and 1488 are Nazi dogwhistles and therefore should not be in use in Wikipedia. For more information see articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#In_neo-Nazism which explain the Nazi affilation of those numbers used by people in Ukrainian Wikipedia. If any editors in English Wikipedia were doing that stuff, they would have gotten a permaban ASAP, but people on Ukrainian Wikipedia haven't been dealt with at all - permabans, not even talkpage warnings! This isn't about any one particular editor in particular, but an extremely pro-Nazi environment cultivated in Ukrainian Wikipedia.--RespectCE (talk) 13:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

The point I must make to you is that each wiki has different rules, please don't use the rules of the English wiki to demand the Ukrainian wiki. Even less should you take the sword of English wiki rules to meta wiki and make nonsense. Besides, your account doesn't meet the requirements for filing an RFC, the quality of the RFC is not up to standard, and the last RFC was judged by the admins to be almost gibberish.

Incidentally, making vague accusations about the existence of Nazis in Ukraine is a very serious form of political propaganda, a tactic widely used by the Kremlin, and if you are making a manifesto for this view, you are not welcome. Lemonaka (talk) 17:44, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

First of all I was not vague, I was INCREDIBLY specific, noting instances of specific Nazi dogwhistles and statements, listing examples userboxes that celebrate Nazis and usernames that used the notorious 1488 Nazi slogan/reference (that's not a Kremlin talking point, 1488 has been widely recognized as Nazi symbols LONG before the current war). If editors of the Ukrainian wikipedia put nazi slogans in their usernames and utilize pro-Nazi userboxes celebrating SS units on their userpages, I have the right to refer to them as Nazis. Yes, Ukrainian Wikipedia has different rules, but there are also universal rules that apply to all wikis. Croatian Wikipedia was sanctioned for this very problem.--RespectCE (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Where are Nazis and who are the real Nazis, everyone will be able to see. The sysops and stews are at least smarter than me and they will make pre-judgments. Lemonaka (talk) 18:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

"Where there are Nazis and who are the real Nazis, everyone is able to see" what the hell does that even mean? You are clearly using a machine translator here, and it's not doing you any good. If you want to make a case that Ukrainian Wikipedia DOESN'T have a Nazi problem, go ahead and make an arguement in the comments section, but you have no right to censor my concern about this problem--RespectCE (talk) 18:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to argue with you. To begin with, the sysop who performed the deletion is not me. It's Tulsi (talk · contribs). So, if you are not convinced, you can find them to debate. Lemonaka (talk) 18:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Tulsi deleted it, yet here you are hounding me on my talkpage. Almost as though you're one in the same. Now get the hell off my talkpage.--RespectCE (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

After several minutes for cooling down, I'd like to say if there is Nazis problem on Ukrainian Wikipedia, please re-file the RFC again and directly leave links to these problems. For example, CA links to usernames or diff links to edits.
For policy, please read Requests_for_comment/Policy
Here are some basic requirements.
If the RFC concerns one party or a few parties, the initiator of the RFC must notify them on their talk page, either on the wiki in question or on Meta.
Please follow the format on Requests_for_comment.

Hoping this will help you. Lemonaka (talk) 18:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

This behavior is unacceptable and will result in the permanent block in the metawiki if continued. 𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐫 👤💬 21:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I see that you are an editor with a Ukrainian flag and hence highly emotionally invested in this issue. You unilaterally deleted (not closed it so that the record can be see) the page claiming it was not "meaningful" and have accused me of violating the civility policy, which I did not do. I did not name anyone. by name, I merely noted that there were SOME users who had Nazi slogans in their usernames, and provided links to examples of pro-Nazi userboxes available on the wiki, plus an example of historical revisionism downplaying the existance of war crimes by a particlar SS unit. NONE of those things are violations of civility policy, and the strong push to delete and stop discussion on the issue from Ukrainian editors certainly don't make Ukrainian Wikipedia look any less guilty here. Lemonaka specifically said I could file another RfC. If there are any statements in any of the RfCs that are considered policy violations, list them, bring it to a discussion board. But don't censor discussion about a legitimate problem that exists.--RespectCE (talk) 00:11, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Quote "I did not name anyone. by name," You mentioned the Ukrainian community, and denigrating them is enough to break the policy.

"I merely noted that there were SOME users who had Nazi slogans in their usernames, and provided links to examples of pro-Nazi userboxes available on the wiki,"

You are using vandals as an example (which exist in all projects) to create a misrepresentation of the community.

The template mentioned is also a misrepresentation taken out of context.

Pages that contain misrepresentations to denigrate persons or groups will be deleted in accordance with our policy. 𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐫 👤💬 08:09, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Active editors who are not blocked are not misrepresntations of the community. The templates in question that I listed were used by DOZENS upon DOZENS of users. If this were a few rogue users, Ukrainian Wikipedia should be in a hurry to block them and delete the template, not cover up existance of it. If you feel that what I wrote was out of context, you could have replied so in the discussion, but blocking me and deleting the discussion is completely inappropriate.--RespectCE (talk) 11:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Lemonaka

hey, user:Lemonaka that was not grave dancing, that was me noticing your hounding and manufacturing a block on commons to justify a global lock. i consider that a UCoC violation. Slowking4 (talk) 02:52, 15 December 2022 (UTC)