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Latest comment: 6 months ago by Danny Benjafield (WMDE) in topic Wikidata Weekly Summary #647
This page contains changes which are not marked for translation.

Is this RFC open or closed?

Hi! I noticed that you moved Requests for comment/Category of non-free images in Wikipedia in Aragonese wich clearly contravenes the Wikimedia Licensing Policy. I do not see it on Requests for comment as either open or closed. Is it somehow incorrectly created? MGA73 (talk) 17:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Eh? It's visible at Requests for comment for me. Probably a cache issue? --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 04:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I updated and now I see it. --MGA73 (talk) 05:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Please give me a chance to correct any previous errors in the translation and unblock me: بهتين شوكت

@بهتين شوكت: I've already told you to stop using translation tools to translate content but you continued without replying. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 02:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes they told me but after several minutes I noticed the message but this happened out of good faith, but I did not mean it Please give me a chance to see otherwise please. بهتين شوكت (talk) 08:02, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Today translated this page on Wikidata. See the translation for yourself and then rate it yourself. بهتين شوكت (talk) 16:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Still having issues on what shouldn't be translated. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 02:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Is this how you doubted me? It is my language. Ok what is right? Show me where I am wrong. بهتين شوكت (talk) 15:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
d:Special:Diff/2242527768/2242235163. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 03:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Translation issues

Hi,

There is several issues on Wikisource Conference 2025 and sub-pages (like Wikisource Conference 2025/Scholarships). I tried to fix your last edit Special:Diff/27405586 but there is maybe a better way to do it, could you maybe have a look?

Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 06:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 06:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

tt:NITron

Dear Minorax, this is to let you know that I have reverted you deletion of this page on the local wiki per Meta-Wiki decisions on what's SPAM can't override local wiki-community decisions about what content's appropriate. Showing cross-wiki SPAM or steward action as reasons is irrelevant in these cases. In the future please avoid deleting local content in any wiki without discussions with local community. Thank you for understanding. Regards, ttWP admin en:Farhad Fatkullin - Frhdkazan (talk) 15:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Translation on Wikimedia LGBT/2024-09-08

I'm not quite sure what was wrong with the translation variables on Wikimedia LGBT/2024-09-08, but I have reverted your changes and manually double-checked them, so that there are no hard-coded URLs in Spanish and all the variables are coming through correctly.

Given I specifically checked before renaming the variables from $1 to something more meaningful in each case, I'm not sure what the problem had been, but I'm sure we both have better things to do that look through all the translation units' history to check it in detail 😅

In any case, thank you for trying to fix things! — OwenBlacker (Talk; he/him) 14:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

It is strongly discouraged to use words as translation variables as they might cause confusion to new users who are translating content and it's a pain to fix them if they go unnoticed for a long time. Please revert it back, thanks. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 14:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
I have never heard that before; where is it strongly discouraged, please?
The MediaWiki documentation (row "Numbers") uses a named (rather than numbered) variable, as does mw:Content translation/Documentation/Comparison with the Translate extension and Meta:Internationalization guidelines recommends using named variables in some circumstances:

if tvar is inside a sentence, it should have an explicit name to allow translators to understand what it contains and so write it easily in the right place in their translation

and 2 of the 3 "good syntax" examples use named variables.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you here. The page is about a meeting of the WMLGBT+ User Group which is probably not gonna be read much after the next few days and it's pretty likely to only translators are gonna be UG members who saw that I posted it to our Telegram group, along with a link to File:WMLGBT+ guide to translation markup.pdf, which also uses named variables as examples, so they should not be too unfamiliar. I think "strongly discouraged" is a big of an overstatement and the risk of it being a problem in this specific case is very low — OwenBlacker (Talk; he/him) 20:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
The variables you used are unnecessary as the content before and after the pipe (|) is the same.
  1. WMLGBT -> LGBT+ User Group
  2. ZoneStamp -> Find your local time here
  3. Zoom -> Zoom meeting
  4. UCoC -> Universal Code of Conduct
  5. TS -> Trust & Safety
  6. Signpost -> coverage in Signpost
  7. MetaElection -> a tad special but content already made known prior at "WMF board trustees election".
See Meta:Internationalization_guidelines#Links, what you linked is meant for variables that are inside a sentence, and is usually not a wikilink. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 03:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
And this is the reason why numbers are used instead. Special:Diff/27421117/27420910. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 03:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't understand what you mean by The variables you used are unnecessary as the content before and after the pipe is the same. Equally, what you linked is meant for variables that are inside a sentence, and is usually not a wikilink is, to some extent, your interpretation. Usually not a wikilink is not codified anywhere and meant for variables that are inside a sentence does not preclude their use elsewhere.
And, to be honest, if editors don't understand variables such that they translate the variable name, such as in the Kannada-language example you linked, the solution is definitely not to hard-code the link instead, but rather to make it clearer to translators what variables are. This is already a subset of editors who are willing to be more familiar with a different editing interface. This is a UXD problem, not a coding problem.
I don't think we're likely to agree here, I'm afraid. — OwenBlacker (Talk; he/him) 08:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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