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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The development of Wikidata Bridge has started. The goal is to allow Wikidata edits from Wikipedia. [1]
Problems
- Sometimes pages load slowly for users routed to the Amsterdam data center. Investigation is in progress. [2]
- Wikidata query service was overloaded between 11:50 UTC until 13:15 UTC on June 24. It has been fixed. [3]
Changes later this week
- You will be able to read but not to edit all wikis for a short amount of time, on 3 July at 06:00 (UTC). This is to move a database. [4]
- There is no deployment of a new version of MediaWiki on the wikis this week (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 3 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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21:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- For event organizers, if you request a temporary lift of the IP cap for mass account creation, this will now also raise the edit rate limit for those new accounts at the event, which will prevent another bottleneck. [5]
- Administrators at all Wiktionary, Wikivoyage, and Wikisource wikis are now able to use the new partial blocks feature. [6]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 July. It will be on all wikis from 11 July (calendar).
- The design of MediaWiki's software windows will change for desktop users. Layout will be simpler, buttons will be bolder and clearer, and close buttons will be just icons. This is like the mobile design. This will affect ContentTranslation, VisualEditor, TemplateWizard, and other tools. [7]
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Wikidata will be in read-only mode on 30 July from 05:00 to 05:30 UTC because of a server switch. [8]
- There will be a change in the name format of new Wikidata RDF dumps starting on 15 July. [9]
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20:13, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The mobile web will get more advanced editing tools. Seven more Wikipedias can use them now. This works for Arabic, Indonesian, Italian, Persian, Japanese, Spanish and Thai Wikipedia. You can try the tools on the mobile web and give feedback. [10]
Changes later this week
- The abuse filter system user will soon do maintenance edits on broken abuse filters. This user is called
Abuse filterand has administrator rights. This is meant to fix technical problems. It will not do any other changes. You can read more. - The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 July. It will be on all wikis from 18 July (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 17 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikipedia app for Android will invite users to add image captions to images on Commons. It will only invite users who have added a number of edits in the app without being reverted. This is to avoid spam and bad edits. You can read more and leave feedback. [11]
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15:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
About mailing lists
Are the contents of private mailing-lists, hosted by WMF, readable by certain WMF employees, even if they are not subscribed to the list? Winged Blades of Godric (AWB) (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hello Winged Blades of Godric (AWB)/Winged Blades of Godric: My knowledge in that area is limited but according to the page Mailman on Wikitech, Mailman comes with a master administrator password that can be used to login to the administrative interface of all Wikimedia mailing lists. I am not sure how updated the information on that page is, though; and therefore if that is still true or not. I hope that this helps. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! Can you kindly lead me to someone who might have accurate info, in this regard? Background:- In the recent az-wiki RFC, quite many non-admins/normal-users claimed that the admins used FB/Whatapp group to coordinate their on-wiki activities. The non-transparent-dealings reached such proportions that cases were located wherein (claimed) mis-behaviour by someone over FB led to an on-wiki block. The admins (apparently) seek to rectify it by opening an admin-only private mailing list. To be frank, I don't see how a private admin-only-maling-list is any different from an equally private admin-only-Whatsapp-group, except as to potential WMF oversight. Winged Blades of Godric (AWB) (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- There would be no difference between a private mailing list and a private FB group. Even if there were the technical possibility of WMF oversight, they obviously are not monitoring the situation. – Ajraddatz (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, Ajraddatz. But, (apparently), one of your fellow-steward thinks otherwise and his reply led me to ask Marco, as to these precise details. Please check the very last comments over User_talk:Mardetanha#You. Regards, Winged Blades of Godric (AWB) (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- I suppose having archives that can be accessed is a plus. I'll comment on the other talk page. – Ajraddatz (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Agree. Mailing lists are not much of a problem but private mailing lists are. Winged Blades of Godric (AWB) (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- I suppose having archives that can be accessed is a plus. I'll comment on the other talk page. – Ajraddatz (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, Ajraddatz. But, (apparently), one of your fellow-steward thinks otherwise and his reply led me to ask Marco, as to these precise details. Please check the very last comments over User_talk:Mardetanha#You. Regards, Winged Blades of Godric (AWB) (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- There would be no difference between a private mailing list and a private FB group. Even if there were the technical possibility of WMF oversight, they obviously are not monitoring the situation. – Ajraddatz (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! Can you kindly lead me to someone who might have accurate info, in this regard? Background:- In the recent az-wiki RFC, quite many non-admins/normal-users claimed that the admins used FB/Whatapp group to coordinate their on-wiki activities. The non-transparent-dealings reached such proportions that cases were located wherein (claimed) mis-behaviour by someone over FB led to an on-wiki block. The admins (apparently) seek to rectify it by opening an admin-only private mailing list. To be frank, I don't see how a private admin-only-maling-list is any different from an equally private admin-only-Whatsapp-group, except as to potential WMF oversight. Winged Blades of Godric (AWB) (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- I think that admin-only mailing lists are problematic because it leads to a lack of transparency and making decisions in private - but if we got rid of that mailing list we'd have to get rid of the lists for a lot of wikis, including Meta itself. *shrug* --Rschen7754 03:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Does Meta have an admin-only mailing list? At any case, no-body has (credibly) alleged of meta-admins/others exploiting the inherent non-transparency of these pvt. lists to make rubbish decisions! Winged Blades of Godric (AWB) (talk) 05:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Fawiki has a private admin-only mailing list as well since 2008! I have complained about it for years but to no avail. I would support getting rid of all private admin-only mailing lists. Unfortunately, I doubt that small or mid-sized communities can get rid of such mailing lists themselves, mainly because of the unbalanced power and influence of admins (big wheels). They may need the help of the global community. This does not apply to the private mailing lists of functionaries or such. But admin actions should be taken onwiki at noticeboards. Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 14:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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Hello again. I am not sure who in specific to point to, but https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/JvLmREY2q0IU/#R does provide a list of recently closed tasks that created mailing lists. It looks to me that people that is listed in the "ops" column of Sysadmins dealt with them. The whole azwiki affair is not very known to me because it caught me in the middle of an illness, then very busy weeks, so I hadn't had any time to involve myself. I'm also not much of a dispute resolution guy and prefer to live in the wiki backlogs when I can. As for private mailing lists in general I don't think they're a problem per se. It just takes basic common sense to know that no mailing list, public or private, can be used to create policies or rule the wiki cabal-like (if an admin cannot understand that or is not willing to comply with that they probably shouldn't be an admin to start with IMHO). Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 15:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hello all, I want to talk about azwiki community. I can't understand that why you fluff azwiki problem this much. I know that we had two admins who are against the wiki rules. But we already removed their rights both of two with the community desicion. And now azwiki problems are under control of our. I also want to talk about whatsapp/FB group. This groups created by some azwiki users and there are only 3-4 sysops in that groups. Our 3 burochrates are not in that groups and our sysops haven't private groups in the sosial networks. And now we need a official mailing lists for only all azwiki sysops, because some azwiki sysops aren't live in our country and some sysops don't use sosial network. The mailing lists necessary that we easy communicate with all our sysops. If you want we can involve one WMF member in our mailing lists for clearness. Thanks in advance. --eldarado ✉ 06:15, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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Please translate the Editing newsletter
Would you please translate VisualEditor/Newsletter/2019/July into your favorite language for me? I'd really appreciate it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Whatamidoing (WMF) and Quiddity (WMF): It seems Rocío Mantis already did translate it into Spanish. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 19:29, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for checking it. I asked several people for some of the most popular languages this time, because I wasn't sure who would be free (so many people on holiday this time of year). I really appreciate you taking a look. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Communities interested by easing newcomers' first steps can now benefit from the Growth team experiments on their wikis. Check the conditions and the request process.
- The Coolest Tool Award 2019 is looking for nominations. You can recommend tools by July 29. The awarded tools will be presented at Wikimania. [12]
Problems
- The release of the last version of MediaWiki (1.34.0-wmf.14) has been blocked for groups 1 and 2. [13]
Changes later this week
- Phabricator database will be moved to a different server. Writes will be blocked on Thursday 25 July, between 05:30 and 06:00 AM UTC. Reads will remain unaffected. [14]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 July. It will be on all wikis from 25 July (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 24 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Some items in the visual editor will change later this week. This will make it easier to edit links, citations, and templates on both desktop and mobile. [15][16]
- With advanced search turned on you will be able to choose the sorting order of the search results when you do a search. [17][18]
- Users who edit from IP addresses whitelisted on a request for temporary lift of the IP cap for mass account creation will bypass CAPTCHAs. This will happen in August. If you think this should not happen for some reason, please let us know.
- The variable
user_wpzerowill be removed from AbuseFilter. A list of filters needing a fix is provided.
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13:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Growth team updates #9
Welcome to the ninth newsletter from the Growth team!
The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.
Opening Growth features to more wikis
The Growth team has existed for about one year. During that time, we have developed several features that we think can help increase retention. Though we are still gathering data to detect scientifically whether the features increase retention, we think that some of the features are ready to be deployed on more wikis that want to experiment with them. If your community is enthusiastic about welcoming newcomers, we encourage you to contact us so that we can verify together if your wiki is eligible.
Then, go through the checklist to start the process of getting these features:
- Help panel: allow newcomers to find help and ask questions while they edit.
- Welcome survey: learn what topics and types of edits newcomers are interested in.
- EditorJourney: learn what workflows newcomers go through on their first day.
General news
- A new quarter of the year has started, and the team has set our goals for the next three months. The most important goals are:
- Newcomer homepage: increase activity through a task recommendations module. Now that we have seen several weeks of positive activity on the newcomer homepage, we think that the most important thing to add is a way for newcomers to find tasks to work on. The challenge will be recommending the right kind of tasks at the right point of their journey.
- Newcomer homepage: increase feature discovery rate by 100%. Right now, only 20% - 30% of newcomers ever visit their homepage. We want to double that number by making sure all newcomers know how to find it.
- Help panel: increase usefulness through improvements to affordance, search, and UX flow. We have looked closely at data and anecdotes from the usage of the help panel, and we plan to pursue specific improvements to increase its effectiveness (see accompanying image of a feature that helps newcomers find responses to their questions).
- Wikimania is coming up next month, which includes a "Community Growth" space. We hope to see people from all communities there to talk about how to bring newcomers into our movement.
- We have started to deploy features to our team's fourth target wiki: Arabic Wikipedia. That wiki is the biggest one we target, it has a high percentage of mobile users, and also is our first right-to-left language. This will help us make sure that our features are valuable for as many types of users as possible.
Mobile homepage and early analysis
- The mobile version of the newcomer homepage was deployed to Czech, Korean, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. Now, newcomers can access their homepage from both desktop and mobile devices.
- We have published our first set of data about the performance of the newcomer homepage. In summary, we are happy with the homepage's performance so far. We see about half of visitors clicking on something, and the majority of them returning to the homepage multiple times.
- Because we see positive usage of the homepage, we will deploy several small features in the next two weeks that help more newcomers discover their homepage (see accompanying image of a feature that helps newcomers discover their homepage from their empty Contributions page).
- As listed in our goals above, we'll be starting to focus on adding task recommendations to the newcomer homepage. We'll be publishing early thoughts on this feature so that community members can give their thoughts and advice.
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14:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
LTA Plenoempleo
Buenas. Un títere del mencionado usuario me ha ido dejando mensajes "cariñosos" en varias wikis:
En fr ya fue bloqueado a nivel local. Además está evadiendo su bloqueo a nivel global.
Si prefieres que estas cosas las pase por el tablón, me dices.
Gracias. Un abrazo. Bernard (talk) 17:35, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Buenas noches, Bernard. He bloqueado globalmente al títere a la vista de los diffs y el historial de las cuentas. No hay problema en que me los pases por aquí, por el tablón o por la lista de CU. Lo que te sea más cómodo y/o práctico. Un abrazo, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 22:54, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Deletion request on glwikibooks
Is this expected? --Rschen7754 18:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes. Known bug (task T90978). I'll try to exclude the bots from that page. Thanks. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 19:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Wikidata will be in read-only mode on 30 July from 05:00 to 05:30 UTC because of a server switch. [19]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 August (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 31 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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21:42, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Solicitud de Cambio de Nombre de Usuario
Saludos MarcoAurelio, te dejé un mensaje en tu página de discusión de Wikipedia en español pero parece que no la has revisado porque no me has dado respuesta, por eso te estoy escribiendo aquí para ver como sigue el estatus de mi solicitud de cambio de Nombre de Usuario, gracias, atte, Naturista2018 (talk) 03:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)