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[edit]Thanks for adding your project to the Offline_Projects/Projects_Overview page! Awesome to know there are other people working on this stuff. Do you participate much in the broader community discussions about offline on the offline mailing list? Jwild 13:32, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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Neutral votes counted in a proportion of the total
[edit]I am curious as to why you removed your analysis? - Amgine/meta wikt wnews blog wmf-blog goog news 15:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- I moved the numbers to the Stats content page, if that's what you were looking for? Thanks! Adamw (talk) 18:43, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- Well, I revised my analysis on Nemo_bis's suggestion, to eliminate the denominator entirely. The "Support" column is equivalent to the S/T column. S-O is equivalent to S/T-O/T. Let me know if you think it would be useful to add these columns again (and why). I'm thinking about how to add more direct "error in representation" columns still, but didn't want to cloud the first issue. Adamw (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- I am curious how the support column, defined as S / (S + O), can be the same as S / T, since the latter includes neutral votes and the former does not, as per M:NVC. e.g. Dariusz's 5167 total 'votes' give a support of 39.25%, as opposed to your reported 78.48%. Your previous analysis showed rather clearly that support was generally much lower than reported, and there would have been 2/3 change in results if total voters were accounted for. - Amgine/meta wikt wnews blog wmf-blog goog news 22:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- The Support column I was referring to would be simply "S", and it's equivalent to S/T, but I'll add these to the G$$gle spreadsheet in case anyone finds it useful. "S-O" is the measure I believe we should use to rank candidates--we can use either simply S (the way most elections are tallied) or S-O (respects oppose votes by canceling out exactly one support vote). Please do continue to help me make my analysis as clear as possible, thank you! Adamw (talk) 23:01, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, perhaps I have not seen your spreadsheet, or we are not talking about the same ranking. I would prefer to see ranking according to support divided by the total, as I feel this is more representative of the actual voting support for a given candidate. (To give further weight to negative votes one might use (S - O) / T = support%, though I did not in the following table)
| María Sefidari – User:Raystorm | 42.27% |
| Dariusz Jemielniak – User:Pundit | 39.25% |
| Phoebe Ayers – User:Phoebe | 37.84% |
| James Heilman – User:Doc James | 35.94% |
| Denny Vrandečić – User:Denny | 31.51% |
| Tim Davenport – User:Carrite | 30.40% |
| Mike Nicolaije – User:Taketa | 29.49% |
| Peter Gallert – User:Pgallert | 28.39% |
| … | |
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mw:Code of Conduct and positivity
[edit]Striving for a positive document that people could find useful, rather than a police instrument to shove down people's throats, has been proposed many times: have you reviewed them?[1] [2] [3] Many specific and constructive proposals were also shot down without any reason, as if the intent had been to achieve the maximum possible distrust and disagreement with the document (including by discriminating atheists). --Nemo 09:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, @Nemo bis: thanks for the links, I should drag myself through that entire cactus patch to understand the context better. I'm pretty sure the intent wasn't to sow maximum distrust, but being highly emotionally charged is enough that I imagine the discussion felt just as you described. All I can say for now is, don't give up on making the changes you think are appropriate! Adamw (talk) 00:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well, currently I'm excluded from the discussion because wikitext users have been pushed out of the talk page. As long as the text discriminates atheists, I also have a lot of troubles engaging with it. --Nemo 07:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC)