User:1000mm/Reports/CheeseSupport
Request for LTA listing
[edit]Here’s the situation: An IP address has since September edited a number of articles on the Norwegian (no) Wikipedia. All edits have been the same nonsense about "God’s stew". This has been added to or replaced several random articles, and also edited other user’s posts on the "Village pump".
After being blocked indefinitely on this language version the IP started posting on user discussion and even replacing user pages for me and two other sysops on several language versions. Mainly posting the same nonsense – in Norwegian, no matter what language version – but also describing some of us as devils.
A week ago this happened on the language versions English (en), Nynorsk (nn – a variant of Norwegian), Swedish (sv) and Danish (da). Locally blocked on some of them, then globally blocked after I made a steward request.
Today a new IP showed up. It made several random vandalisms on Norwegian, but not mentioning "God’s stew" on these. The stew mentions today started on English, after it was blocked there went to Nynorsk, Danish and Simple English. When changes were reverted, the IP reverted back instantly. When I on Simple English asked for a quick deletion, and shortly described why, the IP reverted it and wrote «fake news». Again, the IP has been locally blocked (again indefinitely on Norwegian), then globally for 24 hours after I made another steward request.
Given that this nonsense and harassment has been going on for weeks, on at least six language versions and from at multiple IP addresses, I would like an LTA listing for it. Call it "LTA/God’s stew" as it’s a common factor.
The known IP addresses and user names are:
- 88.92.173.16 Norwegian IP
- 88.93.245.100 Norwegian IP
- 139.164.154.73 Norwegian IP, possibly belonging to user’s high schoolAdded 16 October
- 91.26.124.18 German IP, confirmed open proxy later globally blocked, used on simple-enwiki and dewiki Added 18 October
- 151.196.242.52 US proxy Added 19 October
- CheeseSupport, used on nnwiki today Added 18 October
- 88.93.211.232 Norwegian IP Added 30 October
- 88.93.95.224 Norwegian IP, active at enwiki, simple-enwiki and nnwiki this evening Added 23 november
The sysops that have been victims:
- no:Bruker:Anne-Sophie Ofrim, also sysop at Nynorsk: no:Brukar:Anne-Sophie Ofrim – harassed on nn and da (that I know of)
- no:Bruker:Znuddel – harassed on nn, en and da (that I know of)
- Me, no:Bruker:1000mm – harassed on nn, en, sv, da and simple
The same IP also posted some of the same "God’s stew" nonsense on other user discussions at English, when they reverted.
I want an LTA for this because it is so much easier to link to it when the user in the future shows up again, instead of describing the problem over and over again when reporting on different language versions. An LTA will also make sysops on the different language versions more aware of it, and chances are they can take action even before a report is made.
Thanks! 1000mm (talk) 21:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- The IP returned today, posting on my simple-WP and meta talk page, so far. Also mentioned User:Znuddel, without tag. Locally blocked both places.
- Once again, I’m begging for an LTA listing to be made. 1000mm (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- What would such an LTA page be called? Bear in mind that giving attention to disturbed people tends to excite them and WP:DENY is often best. Are you suggesting that an LTA page at enwiki would be easiest for reporting the problem at other projects? As opposed to a page at nowiki? I will block any IP or new user posting stuff such as in the contributions of the above IPs and having an LTA page would not help that (send me an email or other communication if wanted). Johnuniq (talk) 22:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, I’m glad that you will block the IP if you come across some of this, and I’m glad that other sysops have blocked for a limited time when it has happened. As said, it could be called "LTA/God’s stew".
- Of the wiki projects this person have used for posting, enwiki and simple-enwiki are the only language versions that have LTA listings, according to the interwiki links. I wouldn’t have asked for a listing here if the user had posted only on other projects.
- When posting Steward requests (in English) for global blocks over at Wikimedia metawiki, LTAs here at enwiki is very often referred to – no LTA listing (that I know of) are hosted on metawiki. I have referred to both LTA/KAGE and LTA/Alec Smithson here on enwiki when I have deleted content and blocked users/IPs on nowiki.
- Have in mind that nowiki, nnwiki, svwiki and dawiki are small wikis, in languages that few outside the Nordic countries read. Having a small language as your native language means that almost everyone understands English pretty good, and many understands a third and even a fourth and fifth language too. All sysops on no-, nn-, sv- and dawiki will be able to read, and possibly even contribute to, an LTA here on enwiki.
- If it only was nonsense posted in random articles, which it was at the beginning on nowiki, I wouldn’t ask for an LTA. It would be detected by patrollers as foreign language unrelated content and removed. But this person is now targeting three nowiki sysops on out talk pages, on five language versions where he/she knows we can’t do much more than reverting. I’m aware of WP:DENY, but in this case the IP removes speedy deletion templates too, along with re-reverting to bring back the text.
- As stated, having an LTA that can be used as a reference will make it easier for sysops in various language versions to see that this is more than a local problem on said project. It’s also easier and quicker to refer to an LTA than describing every time you need to report an IP, whether it’s a local report or a global request. In addition, an LTA with a name might help sysops in different language versions to recognize and remember from the last report lasting hours or days, as opposed to remembering a sequence of 8 to 12 numbers and a report saying "posting nonsense again". 1000mm (talk) 00:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm half way between those who think LTA pages should be deleted and those who want to decorate them. I missed the "LTA/God's stew" suggestion above (we don't use curly quotes here). I can see the reason for that name but I'm uncomfortable about using a troll's motto as the identifier. Is there some variation of "LTA/Norwegian troll" that would work without being too flippant? Is that an accurate title? There could be a shortcut such as WP:LTA/Stew. Johnuniq (talk) 05:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good point in not using the content as an identifier! The shortcut sounds good, for the long name I need to think of something, maybe brain storm a little with the two other sysops.
- Btw, the person is back on my enwiki talk page now: User talk:1000mm. Already reverted the speedy deletion template once. The heading "Kuk" literally means "D i c k" (spacing in case of possible word filter). 1000mm (talk) 10:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq: Today the person was foolish enough to make some identical edits while being logged in, with a user name that already had an indefinite block on enwiki. User quickly made him/herself eligible for the same status on nowiki and nnwiki, and it has now been globally blocked indefinitely for cross wiki spam: m:Special:CentralAuth/CheeseSupport.
- As far as I’m conserned, this is more or less equal to an LTA, at least for the purpose I wanted the LTA. No matter the IP or username used or what language version it happens, we can now point to that global block, and tell it’s a sock puppet avoiding a block. 1000mm (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Let's focus on the title and then the content. For the title, what about "Stew"? Or some variation of "Norway"? If that IP continues after the week-long block, let me know and I will block for much longer. Johnuniq (talk) 02:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just found the English word for "lapskaus": Lobscouse, but this will use his content as an identifier. "Norwegian stew" will identify it without using the same wording as the IP. 1000mm (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- How about making a draft at User:1000mm/Norwegian stew? That name would be easier to recall. When we think it is ready, you can move it to here and I can make the WP:LTA/Stew shortcut. Or, forget the draft and create Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Norwegian stew if you are ready. Johnuniq (talk) 01:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea. I’ll try to find some time to do that. Since English isn’t my native language, I think I prefer to make a draft. Then have someone to proofread the text, both grammar wise and the choice of wording, but also in terms of what an LTA shuld have, and not have. I will of course look at some of the existing LTAs.1000mm (talk) 11:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy to proof read. The idea is to show the pattern and areas of interest, with a couple of diffs. Keep it brief and business like. The purpose is to allow others to judge whether a particular new user/IP is the same person (or is a troll imitating them, which makes no difference to us). Johnuniq (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea. I’ll try to find some time to do that. Since English isn’t my native language, I think I prefer to make a draft. Then have someone to proofread the text, both grammar wise and the choice of wording, but also in terms of what an LTA shuld have, and not have. I will of course look at some of the existing LTAs.1000mm (talk) 11:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- How about making a draft at User:1000mm/Norwegian stew? That name would be easier to recall. When we think it is ready, you can move it to here and I can make the WP:LTA/Stew shortcut. Or, forget the draft and create Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Norwegian stew if you are ready. Johnuniq (talk) 01:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just found the English word for "lapskaus": Lobscouse, but this will use his content as an identifier. "Norwegian stew" will identify it without using the same wording as the IP. 1000mm (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Let's focus on the title and then the content. For the title, what about "Stew"? Or some variation of "Norway"? If that IP continues after the week-long block, let me know and I will block for much longer. Johnuniq (talk) 02:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm half way between those who think LTA pages should be deleted and those who want to decorate them. I missed the "LTA/God's stew" suggestion above (we don't use curly quotes here). I can see the reason for that name but I'm uncomfortable about using a troll's motto as the identifier. Is there some variation of "LTA/Norwegian troll" that would work without being too flippant? Is that an accurate title? There could be a shortcut such as WP:LTA/Stew. Johnuniq (talk) 05:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- What would such an LTA page be called? Bear in mind that giving attention to disturbed people tends to excite them and WP:DENY is often best. Are you suggesting that an LTA page at enwiki would be easiest for reporting the problem at other projects? As opposed to a page at nowiki? I will block any IP or new user posting stuff such as in the contributions of the above IPs and having an LTA page would not help that (send me an email or other communication if wanted). Johnuniq (talk) 22:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Given that this is a cross-wiki vandal who makes many edits outside of English Wikipedia, I think we should create the LTA infopage at Meta rather than here, just like how the NTSAMR spambot has its infopage at m:NTSAMR. — AP 499D25 (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at Meta earlier, to find the equivalent of enwiki’s LTA, without luck, which is why I made the request here.
- An infopage as a user subpage is a good suggestion! Since I am the main target, it can be placed at m:User:1000mm/Reports/CheeseSupport. It’s late here in Norway now, I will look into such a page tomorrow.1000mm (talk) 23:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)