Talk:Www.wikimedia.org template/2011

Wikimedia is owned and operated... ?

Current introduction phrase begins with "Wikimedia is owned and operated by the Wikimedia Foundation...". This leads to a misunderstanding of the term "Wikimedia" in its broader context as worldwide movement (including community). Cannot be the owner of the movement or the community. The Wikimedia Foundation does not own of the "Wikimedia movement" or the "Wikimedia community", it only "owned and operated" of web-based platform of Wikimedia projects (and also is the keeper of the Wikimedia vision and the lead in implementing the Wikimedia mission).

A fresh example of such a misunderstanding - a discussion about translation of CentralNotice/May 2011 Update message (as example, Talk:CentralNotice/May_2011_Update#ru_translation).

I propose:

1. update this text as "Wikimedia is free knowledge initiative around family of web projects owned and operated by the Wikimedia Foundation ..." (or something like that in such a way)
2. If it possible, also should be active hyperlinks
   • from "Wikimedia" — to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia
   • from "Wikimedia Foundation" — to http://wikimediafoundation.org

If this update will be approved, should be updated value of the <meta name="description"> tag in a similar way. --Kaganer 08:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I think you have a valid point, but your proposed language, as written, isn't going to work. It doesn't parse correctly in English and it still contains the idea that the web properties are owned and and operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, which may or may not be strictly correctly. I'm also not sure links are really necessary, if only for aesthetic reasons. --MZMcBride 00:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It's idea only. I had hoped that the users with a native English offers a more correct phrase. Active links is minor proposal. Can you suggest a "Wikimedia essentially" formula for this place? --Kaganer 07:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Another idea might be to replace the text with something more abstract, such as wmf:Vision. It'd be less descriptive, but it's a very recognizable slogan and it would escape the issue of trying to describe the Wikimedia community/movement/ownership succinctly. Thoughts? --MZMcBride 15:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Strongly support ;) As example:

Welcome to Wikimedia

<... Vision text... >

<... Mission text... >

Our projects:

<project logos>

<... Wikimedia movement explanation... >

See Www.wikimedia.org template/temp2 as illustration of my point.

If it is possible here, it would be good to try to make userlanguage autodetect and use multi-language translations of these texts (and launch a campaign to translate into all possible languages). --Kaganer 16:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I really like including the vision text; not so sure about the mission text. In some ways, the paragraphs of text seem to overwhelm the page and the viewer. Some other perspectives might be nice here. Maybe post to foundation-l/Wikimedia Forum? --MZMcBride 22:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Vision text - answer to the question "why?"

Mission text - "how to realized our vision?"

List of projects - "where, by what means?"

Footer text is explanation of Wikimedia broader context.

About post: My English is not good enough for those places. Please do you a post there ;) --Kaganer 00:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Just as a quick note to anyone viewing Www.wikimedia.org template/temp2: there's a very handy "preview portal" tab at the top of the page to render the page for you. --MZMcBride 22:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Now I see, thank you! --Kaganer 00:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

This topic is died? If no objections - maybe move this version to main portal? --Kaganer 21:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Done --Kaganer (talk) 22:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)