Talk:Wikivoyage/Tenth Birthday/Contest
Add topicLatest comment: 1 year ago by WhatamIdoing in topic Tracking in the dashboard
Tracking in the dashboard
[edit]@Galahad, I'm looking at Programs & Events Dashboard/Using the Dashboard#Metrics and tracking and wondering how much of the tracking could be automated. If we set the criteria to align with what the dashboard can count automatically, that might make it easier.
@Sage (Wiki Ed), we're talking about a month-long virtual editing campaign for some of the Wikivoyages. I haven't used the dashboard before. Is there a way to tell it "this specific edit doesn't count"? WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Also, Sage, since I've already pinged you here, imagine that I wanted to set up a year-long virtual edit-a-thon for WikiProject Medicine, mostly to count edits/edited articles/page views for whoever signs up during the year. Could I put in all the WPMED articles that I want, and just see what happens? Or do individuals have to assign a specific article to themselves to get their edits to it 'counted'? WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- WhatamIdoing: Yes, there are two approaches for telling it "this doesn't count". If you set up a standard event, it will be default count all mainspace edits to the tracked wiki(s), but organizers can go to the Articles tab and uncheck individual edited articles that they don't want to count (which will be reflected in the stats after the next update). The other way is to set it up as an "Article Scoped Program", which means it will only count edits to either individual articles that are assigned, or to specified sets of articles. In that case, you can go to the Articles tab, and use the 'Tracked Categories, PSID, PagePile id & Templates' section (eg, here) to specify which sets of articles you want to track. You can use templates (eg, 'WikiProject Medicine'), categories, or most flexibly, a PetScan query (for sets of articles that might change over time based on categories or other criteria) or a PagePile (for a static set of pages).--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:57, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Sage (Wiki Ed). For the Wikivoyage edit-a-thon, we would want to use the default. All edits to articles count, unless an organizer manually marks it as an "unwanted" edit.
- If I wanted to set up a WPMED "edit-a-thon", then could I really tell it "anything with Template:WPMED on the talk page"? Is it smart enough to handle combinations like "anything that has WPMED but not WPBIO"?) And if we make changes, is it retroactive? Imagine that I make an edit in January, and add the correct tags in February. Will it look back to count the January edit? WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. It can do the 'anything with WPMED' condition easily via the 'Template' option. For the combination like 'WPMED but not WPBIO', you'd use PetScan to get the right set of articles and then pass that query's PetScan ID to the Dashboard. Yes, you can get updated stats retroactively, and it should go based on the current (within about ~1 week) set of articles that match the query conditions and were edited during the tracking period. :-) If you would like any help setting up something like that, let me know. --Ragesoss (talk) 04:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ragesoss, I don't see an item in "number of refs added" in the metrics wishlist. Is that still on your wishlist? WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. It can do the 'anything with WPMED' condition easily via the 'Template' option. For the combination like 'WPMED but not WPBIO', you'd use PetScan to get the right set of articles and then pass that query's PetScan ID to the Dashboard. Yes, you can get updated stats retroactively, and it should go based on the current (within about ~1 week) set of articles that match the query conditions and were edited during the tracking period. :-) If you would like any help setting up something like that, let me know. --Ragesoss (talk) 04:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- WhatamIdoing: Yes, there are two approaches for telling it "this doesn't count". If you set up a standard event, it will be default count all mainspace edits to the tracked wiki(s), but organizers can go to the Articles tab and uncheck individual edited articles that they don't want to count (which will be reflected in the stats after the next update). The other way is to set it up as an "Article Scoped Program", which means it will only count edits to either individual articles that are assigned, or to specified sets of articles. In that case, you can go to the Articles tab, and use the 'Tracked Categories, PSID, PagePile id & Templates' section (eg, here) to specify which sets of articles you want to track. You can use templates (eg, 'WikiProject Medicine'), categories, or most flexibly, a PetScan query (for sets of articles that might change over time based on categories or other criteria) or a PagePile (for a static set of pages).--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:57, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- @WhatamIdoing great! I was thinking about fountain, but would be easy if track all language version participant on p&e dashboard. Best, Galahad (sasageyo!)(esvoy) 10:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- It sounds like we could set up a P&E dashboard, and ask people to sign up. Then the local coordinators could "uncheck" (remove from the "counted" list) any edit that was bad/unwanted. The dashboard would provide an automatic count of:
- the number of articles created by each participant ("5 points for creating a new article")
- the number of articles edited by each participant ("3 points for improving an existing article")
- the number of images uploaded to Commons by each participant (but coordinators have to check to see whether it got used at Wikivoyage and wasn't duplicative)
- It might be able to help with this:
- "1 point for each 2000 bytes added"
- but I don't think it can do these items:
- "7 points for filling an important content gap" (requires human judgment to figure out it if was an "important" content gap), or
- "1 point for illustrating an article" (I don't think it can figure out which edits added an image).
- (I welcome corrections.)
- @Galahad, I think it would be pretty easy for us to set up a test project, and get a couple of coordinators to join. Then we could check the dashboard against our normal editing and see what we think. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:20, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek and @SHB2000, you will probably be interested in this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- It sounds like we could set up a P&E dashboard, and ask people to sign up. Then the local coordinators could "uncheck" (remove from the "counted" list) any edit that was bad/unwanted. The dashboard would provide an automatic count of: