Talk:Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos 2024

Alt for images with caption

Dear Pigsonthewing,

I think you overtake `alt` attribute use. Since the image has a caption,

• `alt` may be empty, to avoid repeating what the caption says.
• `alt` may clarify a supplementary meaning of the picture, e.g. “Children are interested in nature.”.

Refs:

• User explanation of differences between caption and alt.
• HTML spec
• Accessibility spec

-- Pols12 (talk) 20:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

By all means make further improvements, or consult with the users of alt content and assistive software. I do not find "Children are interested in nature" to be a representation of what the image depicts. It is also not true for all children. An empty value would not be a useful example in a guideline such as this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Prize metric

How is the most Wikipedia articles improved with photos calculated? Is it the number of image-adding edits a user makes during July and August, or the number of their images that are still in place in articles at the end of August?

Would a user who added 100 images where 50 were reverted by other project users as inappropriate outscore a user who had merely added 75 good images? Belbury (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Prizes aren't awarded solely on the number of image-adding edits. The images must improve the articles to merit the prizes. In fact, some editors have been disqualified in the past despite having the highest number of image-adding edits. T Cells^Talk 13:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

In the below case of User:Goodymeraj, you thanked them and suggested that they write better captions, and they were left a talk page message from the organiser User:Reading Beans saying "Please, desist from adding images for the #WPWP2024. Majority of your additions are not constructive."

Goodymeraj has continued to add images, some of them still entirely off-topic, in the hope of winning this year's prize.

You might need a more explicit disqualification system, both in terms of when that line is crossed and how clearly you tell a user that they can no longer win the competition. (Reading Beans doesn't identify themselves as a WPWP coordinator in the linked talk page comment above, or suggest that any disqualification could happen. They look like merely the fifth editor dropping by to ask Goodymeraj to stop adding poorly-chosen images to enwiki.) Belbury (talk) 08:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Reading Beans explicitly disqualified the user an hour after this message, so thanks for that.

I don't know what to make of the fact that Goodymeraj continued to add the same kind of problem images to articles after being disqualified, just without the hashtag in the edit summary. Belbury (talk) 09:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@User:Reading Beans, could you ask any passing admin to block this editor, at least for a month? T Cells^Talk 00:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury, the user was temporary blocked on 7 August and was blocked indefinitely on 8 August. (see here). Thank you for your constructive feedbacks. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe there's a prize for users who manage to add fan art images to infoboxes boldly marked "NO FAN ART HERE", both in 2023 and in 2024, deleting the offending warning each time, in multiple articles. I suggest we call it the "Disruptive Turnip Prize" in honour of the image-adding user concerned. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Any user who makes such ridiculous edits should be blocked, just like any other disruptive editor, in my opinion. T Cells^Talk 13:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. That means that the competition should be run with the knowledge and collaboration of Wikipedia admins, who should be told at once if any user is abusing the competition. That in turn means that the competition organisers should be monitoring competitors for doubtful behaviour: a warning sign must be that many of their image additions have been reverted; another sign is that they have received multiple warnings from other editors, like Belbury and me; and a final red flag is that we have gone so far as to track down Media Wiki and tell you there is a problem that needs your attention. That's a row of three red flags you now have before you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinging the coordinator, Reading Beans, who should monitor contributions there. I found at least one such disruptive editor and a message for them here on Meta two days ago. T Cells^Talk 16:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

hashtags are not properly recognized in some situations

Please see and support task T369309, it seems that hashtags are not properly recognized in some situations. best --Herzi Pinki (talk) 13:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Users not checking that images are correct

This competition really needs an additional step of check that the image you're adding is of the subject, in cases where users aren't familiar enough with the subject to know what they're looking at. Saying that images must be relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative is only obliquely suggesting this. Perhaps tell entrants to use Google Images to confirm what the person or entity looks like.

In the discussion at en:User talk:Goodymeraj, we've realised that the user has effectively been copying a lot of Wikidata errors across to the English Wikipedia (eg. illustrating Namibian footballer Dynamo Fredericks with a completely unrelated group photo of Ukrainian team FC Dynamo Kyiv). When Wikidata includes the wrong image for a person, that causes it to appear as the only search result for that person on Commons. The only check Goodymeraj was performing on their Commons search result image was to compare it to the picture at Wikidata - where it was always the same image because that's where it came from.

Giving competition entrants the instruction to add as many photos to Wikipedia as they can, and to find those photos by searching Commons for the name of the subject, seems like a surefire way to transfer any Wikidata errors on obscure biographies to Wikipedia. --Belbury (talk) 09:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury, the user in question was temporarily blocked for disruptive editing after we had disqualified them. The editor is unwilling to learn or collaborate in the project. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - Thank you for your help, @User:Belbury. This is a very useful suggestion. @User:Reading Beans, Please take note of Belbury's suggestion and use it to improve the participation instructions. T Cells^Talk 00:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Users having problems adding hashtags

@Reading Beans Be aware that I've now seen two users say that they get error messages when they try to add a hashtag to their edits:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andikan_Efiok_Eduok&diff=prev&oldid=1238006007
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chizoba2&diff=prev&oldid=1239298636

In both cases they decided to just carry on and add images without using the hashtag. Belbury (talk) 15:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury, I used the hashtag to add an image here and also replied to the talk page of the user using the hashtag here. Perhaps, they are doing something wrong. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - @User:Belbury,to minimise disruption from new users, there is an abuse filter set on the English Wikipedia that disallowed participation from non-extended confirmed users. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1258. extendedconfirmed users are users who have existed for at least 30 days and has made at least 500 edits. These particular editors has made less than 100 edits and they are ineligible for participation in this campaign on the English Wikipedia. @User:Reading Beans, I recommend notifying the user that they are not eligible to participate in the campaign and should refrain from adding images to Wikipedia articles as part of it. If they continue to do so after being informed, you should report the issue to an admin. Regards. T Cells^Talk 00:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  The filter log at enwiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=1258&offset=&limit=500) shows multiple further cases where a user has encountered this filter error message and chosen to instead add images without using any hashtags.

  It looks like the error message they get is en:MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed-WPWP-extendedconfirmed which actually says You can continue to add images to articles as usual without the #WPWP tag. However, please note they will not be counted as contest entries.

  Maybe it shouldn't be telling people who are considered too unfamiliar with Wikipedia to be adding images to add those images anyway. I'll request an edit to the message. Belbury (talk) 11:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of the WPWP Campaign, adding images to Wikipedia articles is a valuable way to contribute to Wikipedia and many contributors engage in this task without necessarily participating in the campaign. I believe the edit filter manager worded the text to convey that users are permitted to add images even if they are not participating in the WPWP Campaign. However, I agree that when the message is directed at WPWP participants, it may give the impression that they can add images without including the required hashtag. Thank you for your efforts at making the message clearer. T Cells^Talk 11:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Problems from previous years still happening

Further to Talk:Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos 2022#Problems from previous years and Talk:Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos 2021#Cryptic edit summaries, it's happening again. See w:en:Special:Contributions/Iwuala chisom - this user must be getting their directions from somewhere, but is not linking this campaign in any shape or form. They're also dropping their images at or near the top, which is not acceptable practice when the article has an infobox. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 18:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64:, The English Wikipedia has a long-standing guideline on how to deal with disruptive editors. If a particular user is being disruptive, they should be blocked if the behaviour continues after receiving warnings, regardless of whether they are contributing as part of a campaign or through routine editing. This user appears to have acknowledged the warning and has not made any edits since. Pinging the campaign coordinator, @User:Reading Beans to review the user's contributions. T Cells^Talk 01:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I've seen this "just block them if they're disruptive" response from the WPWP project a few times now. WPWP does need to take some responsibility if it is the indirect cause of these disruptive edits.

Do you have figures on how many competition entrants act disruptively each year, or how many #WPWP edits are reverted as incorrect? Belbury (talk) 13:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Here are the results of the Austrian jury

de:Wikipedia:WikiDaheim/Jury##WPWPAT. Where shall I translate & put it? best --Christian Philipp (WMAT) (talk) 16:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Christian Philipp (WMAT):, You can translate and put it at Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos 2024/Results. Thank you. T Cells^Talk 13:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)