Talk:Wikijunior/Project name/Candidate nominations

Deciding the name

I suggest we narrow this list down to like five names, and then see if we can set up some way of letting kids have their say. If we could get trusted Wikimedia contributors to talk to local school teachers, which gives us a worldwide sample, and just have them do a quick presentation to the class that there will be a magazineish publication, and have them fill out a form about what their favourite name is out of the possibles, and why. I'm against hands-up type things if we do a sampling, because it just is too peer-pressury. Also, online polls would be skewed. Anyway, but even if we're doing the deciding, we should at some point narrow the list down to five or so. -- user:zanimum

I agree we need to narrow things down. I don't think we need to go as far as getting kids to vote. It's too focus group like for me. I think we should just choose among ourselves. As long as the name is original, easy to remember, with an easy to spell website, I don't belive it's all that important. Our reputation will be built on the quality of our booklets. If we produce great work no one will particlulaly care what our name is. Take Amazon as an example. Thier name has bugger all to do with thier business. But it's easy to remember. All the time they provide me with books that I cant get at my local bookshop, or books at better prices than I can get locally then i will continue to use the company. Theresa knott 19:59, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Apologies for posting this here (the main page looked a bit too complex to edit for a newbie with 5 minutes to spare!) I would like to add WikiKnow to the list which I think could be considered, imparting knowledge being the purpose of the books. Looks like a great project BTW. seankennyATgmail.com. (I'll get around to creating an account soon I hope)

Forced rejections

Noggin

Origin: Slang for head/brain. The bellman 04:57, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC) Reason for absolute rejection: Noggin the television channel. While it's a preschool channel hidden on the American cable dial, it's still a powerhouse owned by Viacom. Plus, Nickelodeon Magazine publishes Nick Jr., which is essentially just a Noggin lineup shown on Nick.

• Points for
  • Its a very catchy sort of word The bellman 04:57, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Points against
  • Im not sure if this is used through out the english speaking world, and im reasonably sure it wouldnt be know at all out side the english speaking world The bellman 04:57, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • As with all the sugestions refering to thinking or brains etc, it has a kinda nerdy feeling about it. The bellman 04:57, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Discover

Discover
 Big Cats
  with Wikimedia

Discover, or the simpler find out, is easily translatable, so there would be no issues with needing different names for different language versions.

Discover already exists, but perhaps a similar easily-translatable word could be found instead?

Word's thesaurus offers nothing interesting synonymous with this, so I've knocked this out of the running. -- user:zanimum

Wikicool

Origin:

• Points for
• Points against
  • Word slightly out of vogue, may take a long time to come back. -- user:zanimum
  • The word doesn't sound right phonetically, also "cool" is no longer "cool". -- user:Solitude
  • Ditto above. Same problem as "Wikifun." Neutrality 21:32, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikifun

Origin:

• Points for
• Points against
  • May be found by kids as slightly deceptive. Although there's certainly going to be a relaxed tone throughout, I doubt that it'll be "fun" by most people's standards. -- user:zanimum
  • I think the name should at least *hint* at learning something. -- user:Solitude
  • Ditto above. Neutrality 21:29, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikidudes

Origin:

• Points for
• Points against
  • Implies male. Do we have a girl targetted edition called Wikidudettes? -- user:zanimum
  • The word is highly out of vogue. -- user:zanimum
  • "Dude, where is my car?" did not get away with it, neither will we. -- user:Solitude
  • Ditto above. Neutrality 21:28, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikibrats

Origin: Under the general assumption that children are full of mischief.

• Points for
• Points against
  • Think kids generally like to be called "brats"? Also, other cultures probably don't take the term "brats" as lightly as we do in the west. -- user:zanimum
  • Offensive to most kids. -- user:Solitude
  • Ditto zanimum and Solitude. Neutrality 21:28, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • This probably a cultural thing. Here in london, brat is almost a term of affection. Theresa knott 19:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Cerebro

Origin: Interlingua for brain, and since we hopefully won't publish an Interlingua version... an alternative is cerbo, the Esperanto translation of brain, but it has a harder, less pleasant sound.

• Points for
  • The brainmachine from the X-men franchise, I like the fact that it sounds intelligent but not pedantic. -- user:Solitude
• Points against
  • The brainmachine from the X-men franchise. -- user:Solitude
  • Cerebro is also brain in Spanish, this would probably make it sound Spanish-centered rather than international (as Interlingua would suggest). User:Pilaf
    • Ugg. I chose Interlingua originally since no kid would speak it, it would be a nonsensical word to all. No that I know that, I'm tempted to retract the idea. -- user:zanimum

Language-specific diminutives

Suggestion: Create diminutives based on the name Wikipedia. In whatever languages we pursue this project, an appropriate diminutive form can be chosen (e.g. Wikipediette in English, Wikipedička in Czech, Wikipedina in Italian, Vicipaedicula in Latin, Wikipédinha in Portuguese, Wikipedita in Spanish, etc.).

• Points in favor
  • Name communicates both that this is a smaller version of the big Wikipedia and that it is Wikipedia designed for a younger audience.
  • Allows each language version to have a relatively unique name for this project.
  • Different languages retain some autonomy in deciding what to name their edition, since multiple diminutives may be possible (for example, German can decide between Wikipedlein and Wikipedchen).

• Points against
  • May sound a little corny, though not necessarily more so than Wikijunior.
  • The titles are all quite long The bellman 04:49, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Kids may be confused by words like Wikipediette —siroχo

• To be honest, I don't get the above statement. Say, what is Wikipedia's English diminutive? -- user:zanimum
• It could be Wikipediette, as referenced above, but -ette is reletively infrequent in English, being a loaned particle from the Romance languages - the only example I can think of off the top of my head is kitchenette. Perhaps translating the name differently in English would be better - something like Mini-Wikipedia (or indeed, Wikijunior). Could someone else suggest another version? I was always under the impression that any language version could choose a local name for any Wikimedia project, anyway. --Kwekubo 18:59, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Does it work in all Wikipedia languages? At least it doesn't work in Finnish. Surely Wikipediake and Wikipediainen are diminutives, but the former sounds like it would be a tool or a building, not anything to read. The latter sounds like a small animal. -Hapsiainen 01:26, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• In general, people, who don't know or remember the word Wikipedia, don't understand what those diminutive forms means. Or worse, they don't understand the words at all. This holds true for both adults and children. -Hapsiainen 01:26, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hey! What about ...

Kids are always asking questions, and this project is based on questions. Why not use a question as a title: Hey! What about Big Cats? or Hey! What about the Solar System? The title is a little saucy and fun.

• Points in favor

• Points against
  • Impracticality. Possible quotes: "We have just printed a run of 'Hey! What abouts...'." (Or should it be "Hey! What about...s". This example reflects the further difficulties in synthetic languages) "Tell me, where you have put the 'Hey! What about...'?" -Hapsiainen 01:26, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Or do you propose many rather similar names for several books? It works better, but the Hey! in the title sounds stupid. -Hapsiainen 01:34, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • Totally agree. Anyone against we retiring this suggestion? -- user:zanimum

TeenWikipedia, retired April 20

• Points for
  • Every seven to twelve year old wants to be a teenager. :ChrisG 19:13, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Points against
  • Tricks teens into buying it. -- user:zanimum
    • I doubt it. How many 17 year olds but Just17 magazine? I'll tell you - none! Having said that, a teen in the name might put primary and middle schools off stocking them in the library. Theresa knott 19:36, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • We shouldn't base a name totally off a marketing scheme. -- user:zanimum
    • Ditto above. Neutrality 21:30, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Anyone against retirement?: Say before April 20th, or "forever hold your peace".

Wikipedia, retired April 20

• Points for
  • It makes quite a lot of sense to keep Wikipedia in the title. Good advertising for both.
• Poins against
  • "Oh, is Wikipedia really like that? I heard that it would be comprehensive material for adults..." -Hapsiainen 17:48, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Anyone against retirement?: Say before April 20th, or "forever hold your peace".

Y, retired April 20

Origin: As in "find out why".

• Points for
  • I like it, timeless but trendy. -- user:Solitude
• Points against
  • Ugg. I hate this. It's very "trendy." Neutrality 03:46, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • I don't really see this as trendy. As long as we use it with reserved taste, I'm confident it could stand the test of time. -- user:zanimum
  • This won't make sense in non-English languages. Angela 21:57, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • That is a good point. Some language scripts don't even have the letter "Y". -- user:zanimum
  • Numberplate of German Bundeswehr... always makes me wonder "why?..." bad to translate anyways. --TomK32 WR Internet 21:53, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • There was (is?) a german kids magazine Ypsilon, which is the german word for Y. The magazine was a mix of cartoons and kids science projects. -- Chris 73 02:19, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Anyone against retirement? Say before April 20th, or "forever hold your peace".

Infopedia, retired April 20

Points for

Points against

• Nothing to do with the project. -- user:zanimum
• No slang for information in other languages. -- user:zanimum

Anyone against retirement?: Say before April 20th, or "forever hold your peace".

Keiki, retired April 20

Origin: the hawaiian word for child, a sort of left of centre reference to wiki. The bellman 04:48, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Pronounced: Keiki is "Keey-key" and Kiki is simply "Key-key"

• Points for
  • This is great - it is a nice complement to wiki without a unique and not-too-obvious edge. It is also not Anglocentric, meaning it would be better for multilingual use. Ronline 06:26, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Best one I've seen so far. It sounds creative, is not Anglocentric, uses a metaphor, and allows for expansion of the concept by using a broad term. -- user:Solitude
  • I really like this. It doesn't sound like it's trying too hard. For most kids it will simply be the name of this product, as they are unlikely to know where it comes from. --HappyDog 18:28, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Ditto above. Neutrality 21:33, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • I like this one most of anything so far, but how is it pronounced? I like the Keiki/Kiki combination. Has the added advantage of translating to print well. I think it might be a good idea to reserve both keiki and kiki domains if this is chosen, so a typing kiki.org goes to the same place as keiki.org I like the unrecognizability. Kids like Xena etc. 66.245.208.105 23:26, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • http://www.Keiki.org is currently owned by http://www.leahi.net/ which specializes in non-profit, educational and community web site hosting, design, and maintenance, and is currently not using the domain and would like to sell it. (will probably sell it at a reasonable price considering we are a non-profit, educational and community web site.) The bellman 02:29, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • I love it. This also makes the name Kiki much more fitting for a recurring character. User:Pilaf
  • This word has really grown on me since i nominated it. And kids at that age are still learning new words at the speed of light (well, maybe not quite that fast), so its not like one more is going to be hard to remember. The bellman 04:20, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Kiki is a parrot in Enid Blyton's The Adventure Series. Good if you like parrots.
• Points against
  • Meaning is not instantly recognisable. -- user:Solitude
    • The meaning doesn't need to be obvious. In fact, if its a word that sounds good, preferably means something in some language, and doesn't have much against it, that's all that really matters. -- user:zanimum
    • May not appear on topic, but did you know that almost every search engine or directory which has been successful had a fairly random name? Some Google searching will find you articles for this. R3m0t 00:25, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Pronunciation is not obvious. Kay-kee? Keekee? Kee-icky? --HappyDog 18:28, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Neither are English names to non-English-speaking kids. I don't see the need for an obvious to pronounce name. User:Pilaf
• Alternative version: Kiki (we could have a girl that introduces and possibly gets involved in each issue/edition with the name.)
• Being new here I hate to bring up "Kiki's delivery service" and possible copyright infringement issues there, even if ti is a cool idea--anon
  • This isn't a problem, you can't copyright an existing name. -- user:zanimum
• Kiki is a parrot in Enid Blyton's The Adventure Series. Think about the word 'parroting'. -Hapsiainen 13:30, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Wikijunior project Kiki character

Anyone against retirement? Say before April 20th, or "forever hold your peace". This is for retirement of the name, the character still stands as is.

Minipedia, retired April 20

Origin: Mini Encyclopedia.

• Points for
  • As a derivative of Wikipedia, it is the encyclopedia part that is still present, not the wiki part. --HappyDog 18:32, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Points against
  • I'd be surprised if this wasn't already trademarked. Haven't checked though --HappyDog 18:32, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • A German encyclopedia on the Austin Mini, using the MediaWiki software nonetheless, is called Minipedia. -- user:zanimum
  • Hopefully the slowly sink Austin Powers empire won't drag the name down. -- user:zanimum
  • "Gee, Mickey, that sounds like a great site!" -- Minnie Mouse
• The Wikijuniuor project page says that we are going to write booklets about certain topics, not an encyclopedia for children. -Hapsiainen 17:48, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Anyone against retirement? Say before April 20th, or "forever hold your peace".

WikiSchool, retired April 27

Origin: Wiki + School. Gbiten 18:42, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Points for

• Points against
  • School is evil. -- user:Zanimum
  • Could be interpreted when spoken as "Wiki´s cool" or "Wiki is cool" which sound kind of stupid. Ludraman - talk to me! 21:53, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending WikiSchool into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

WikiStudy, retired April 27

Origin: Wiki + Study. Gbiten 18:42, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Points for

• Points against
  • It's for leisurely education, as well as reference. This title limits it to the latter. -- user:Zanimum
  • Study is tied up with what you have to learn for (evil) school, where this is voluntary exploration into the awesome world of Big Cats and other wowing subjects. Ludraman - talk to me! 21:57, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending WikiStudy into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

WikiTeenia, retired April 27

Origin: Wiki + teen (from teenagers, perhaps the largest usergroup)+ suffix -ia from Wikipedia.

• Points for
  • When you know Wikipedia, it's easy to remember. Perhaps a both-ways synergyeffect? -- Joergen 09:05, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Points against
  • I suddenly realise how much that name, and Wikiteen by itself, sound like nicotine. -- user:zanimum
    • Is that necessarily bad? :-P Ludraman - talk to me! 13:23, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • caffeine, heroine, inbetween - I think we shouldn't care of what rhymes people will use in their songs :-) --Joergen 07:37, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • The project isn't for teenagers, it is for children of ages 8-11. -Hapsiainen 17:48, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending WikiTeenia into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

Xplorer, retired April 27

Origin: Abbreviation of "explorer".

• Points for
  • It's already somewhat out of vogue, yet it hasn't become "uncool" by any stretch of the measure. -- user:zanimum
• Points against
  • Bridges on being cliched. -- user:zanimum
  • Sounds too much like internet explorer. Do we want kids to think our work is actually microsofts? Theresa knott
  • Also a "trendy" word. We should stay away from these. Neutrality 21:24, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • windows explorer, XP, internet explorer, no I'd have to say this is one I would definitely oppose very strongly also, really hate the thought of a cyclopedia encouraging use of words like xplorer, nite, rite, mart, etc....wikipedia:User:Pedant<---sorry about this having some password issue on meta:66.245.208.105 00:40, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending Xplorer into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

Kidipedia, April 27

Origin: Kids' Encyclopedia.

• Points for:
• Points against:
  • Oppose. It is impossible to translate it into a language which doesn't have 'encyclopedia' as a common word. (Like Finnish) Also a booklet about a certain topic isn't an encyclopedia. -Hapsiainen 17:48, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending Kidipedia into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

Wikiteens / Wikitweens, May 4

Origin: Seems appropriate, given our target audience.

• Points for
• Points against
  • Our target audience is NOT teenagers, our target audience is children.Neutrality 21:27, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Also, "tweens" is a one of those "trendy" kind of words that sounds kind of bad. Neutrality 21:27, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Wouldn't say that it's trendy; it just is a new industry buzz word. -- user:zanimum
  • Doesn't give information to anyone just seeing the series title-- Wiki is nonsense to most, fast to Hawaiians, and teen/tween is just the age bracket. So someone with knowledge of Hawaiian will just thing fast tweens, or editable teens.

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending Wikiteens/Wikitweens into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

WikiWiser, retired May 4

Origin:

• Points for
  • Sounds good. ~~!~
• Points against
  • "The older the wiser" comes to mind. Kids might have apprehensions against being old and wise. -- user:zanimum
  • Well, maybe I#m the only one with these associations - it remembers me to the German word Wichser. Do you know what that means ;-) --Steffen Löwe Gera 16:43, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending WikiWiser into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

Wikooligans, retired May 4

Wikooligans (parody of Yahooligans)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending Wikooligans into early retirement? Speak before May 4 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

Attic, retired May 4

Origin: Curious kids might go up into their attic to explore, just as you explore the world in this magazine. Synonmym for head, ie brain.

• Points for
• Points against
  • there are a lot of palces where attics arent a normal feature of houses (like australia/NZ for example), and so not a normal part of a kids world. The bellman 04:43, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Attics are the home of ghosts and dad's old furniture. -- user:Solitude

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending Wikiteens/Wikitweens into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

Pharos, retired May 4

Origin: the w:Lighthouse of Alexandria

• Points for
  • Again, timelessness, internationalism. The lighthouse has often been used to convey bringing knowldge to those who seek it. Suggests a general logo for the project.
• Points against
  • Could be confused with pharos, the Egyptian rulers. Ludraman - talk to me! 21:02, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending Wikiteens/Wikitweens into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

Search, retired May 4

Who doesn't love a 's' word? Sex, sun, strudel, etc. Has conations of adventure, mystery and a quest for knowledge. Links in with the mental concept of a search engine (they use a search engine to find answers); If you don't know something you search for the answer. It conjures up a feel of self directed research and discovery.

The title of search may not only appeal to children but adults as well. It’s immediately recognisable and memorable. It manages to have a certain level of sophistication about it, while some of the other titles (in particular the wiki-* ad naseum variants just seem geeky and unappealing to most kids, I could imagine asking to read Search would be much more 'cooler' then asking to read wikitreatise. On the flip side it is generic enough to avoid any possible complications. One possible idea, that mightn't work, would be to have Search for Big Cats! Or Search for Astronomy! But as mentioned in the 'Hey! What about..." idea, that thought could be infeasible.

In my ideas the majority of the other titular suggestions are flawed because they seem to be not only out of touch with what the average children is like, but trying to appeal to a popular culture (either real or perceived) interest.

I drew my inspiration from Google, and the list of magazine titles at the preface to this article.

Addressing the issues: • The title should be attractive to the kids primarily, secondarily to the adults who will encourage distribution. (The title attempts to appeal to children by fostering an individualistic search for knowledge.) • The title should be relatively easy to pronounce. (Search. One syllable.) • For graphic and logo purposes, the shorter the better. (6 letters seems short enough.) General advice: • Kids are smarter than you think. Don't sound like you're talking down to them. (Search is neither condesicnging or patronising; of course their will also be some indivual that will be affected no matter what the title, but on the whole search is a safe. • Try to avoid complicated or excessive capitalisation. ie, Wikipedia and Wikimedia are better than WikiPedia and WikiMedia, as they're both much easier to type.

(One capital, maybe even not that?) • Try to avoid words that are or were trendy, as hopefully this project will continue for years. ie, if we started in the 1920s as Wikiswell, we wouldn't be too cool today. Unless you're Clark Kent or Mickey Mouse.

(Search isn’t trendy nor is it untrendy (which is now a word!), it is timeless.

I would be happy to respond to any questions or comments.

Bquanta

• Points in favor

• Points against
  • Not trademarkable. Not remarkable either. -- user:zanimum
  • Impossible to get relevant domain name. Search.wikipedia.org would just be confusing. -- user:zanimum
  • Suggests they are badly organized magazines. -- user:zanimum

Retirement candidate: Anyone against sending Search into early retirement? Speak before April 27 at 7 am, or forever hold your peace.

-pedia

I seen one section Wiki-... But not the section ...-pedia.

Moreover, I think Keikipedia is really an equivalent of wikipédia : one part is a foreign language with good sound (and meaning child), one is "pedia". I want show too than wikipedia juniors have to become multilanguage, and the most of your name are all with english words... Yug

If Kiki/Keiki makes it through this round of voting, which it looks to be doing so far, you can suggest Keikipedia as an alternate in the discussions. We've made sure, however, that the meaning of the English words aren't critical to the name's sound and relevance in any language. I hate to sound harsh, but we've been looking for international Wikipedian attention for months now, an article being published in the Wikimedia Quarto newsletter, and this vote has run since 25 Oct 2004, so an problems are not the fault of the rest of the participants. -- user:zanimum

A suggestion

Rather than just having us adults making the decisions, I think that it might be a good idea to try to find a few teachers who are regular Wikipedia editors, and have them run some of the name suggestions past their students. My suggestion is to give the kids the entire list of candidate names (including the "rejects"), as well as asking the kids to brainstorm to see if they can come up with anything better. When I tried to come up with an idea for a name, the best I could come up with was to try to find some nonsense exclamation like Zow!, but I imagine that most kids would probably think the idea was dumb. Two other ideas: "Eye" (short for eyewitness), and Wikimanity (Wiki+humanity). GK 17:32/17:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll try to find on the English Wikipedia if there are any Wikimedians that acknowledge that they're teachers, but I doubt there are too that many. I suppose we could offer votes for classes in this election, worth double the points in the tally system as that of a normal Wikipedian. Asking kids also doesn't guarantee the name is attractive to not only them, but untapped writers. Amazing how Project Sourceberg "died" from a fledgling site to what it is now, when Wikimedia took it over as Wikisource. The project didn't change policies, it didn't change editing ease, just the name; yet it remains sluggish. Scary how a name change lost so many.

Why I'm "cautiously optomistic" either your or my take on this gereral idea:

• Timelessness: Kids are more driven by trends than most to us. What we end up choosing from the list will likely be "okay" in their minds, not the "cool" names they'd come up with. Ten years down the road, we give them the same name game assignment, they'd come up with a different name. The ten year old name would be "out", but the Wikimedia user chosen suggestion would be still "okay", which is better than out. I don't know, maybe they could create something spectacular and timeless, but I have strong reservations.

• Time of suggestion: In Canada and the US, and I'm sure most of the world, the school year's coming to a close. How easy will it be for teachers to fit a brainstorming session in?

• Time remaining: Once we establish an identity: we can register a domain; we can establish the uneditable, approved only kids site; we can establish a Wikimedia wiki seperate from our current Wikibooks; we can create a brand identity... So many things rely directly on the name. It's scary but true. And that doesn't even include building up the content; editing; attracting educators to evaluate the content; editing again; designing; proofing; publishing; establishing distribution.

Sorry if I sound anxious; the Beck Foundation grant is use-it-or-loose-it, and we'd look terrible if we tried to backpeddle, and get them to extend the available time for using the US$10 000.

As for other name suggestions, I'll agree to add Eye in. I really shouldn't be bending the rules to even let this in, but we'll let it slide. Wikimanity has "man" in it, could be bend as non-PC. Also, humanities don't generally cover science and technology or nature studies, two of our three main facets (the other being humanities). -- user:zanimum