Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Reusing references

Any comments or questions about this focus area are welcome! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Reusing References , transclusion from a seperate page.

Over on English Wikisource there is a template s:Template:Authority_reference which in conjunction with LST allows references to be set up that can be transcluded between pages.

It would be nice if there was a mechanism in the Cite extension that allowed a means of doing this within the ref tag itself. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, ShakespeareFan00! We'll make sure to look into this during our research. - Have a good Friday, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:46, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Feature: Numbering by reflist order , and allow mechanism for references to contain block-level content (Like DIV and TABLE)

Previously I mentioned about s:Template:authority control.

I am writing now to clarify something else to do with references, and to request 2 features.

On wikisource a few years ago there was a project to import Open Access scientific papers which were under a compatible license:- An example is:- s:Wikisource:WikiProject Open Access/Programmatic import from PubMed Central/Ecological Guild Evolution and the Discovery of the Worlds Smallest Vertebrate

However, in reviewing the transcription/import I found that a number of references/citations/footnotes had seemingly been missed in the import. Checking these was complicated by the footnote numbering in the original being different to that in the Wikisource version because Mediawiki appears to number footnotes/references in the order in which they are encountered as REF tags, as opposed to the nominal order given in a References tag.

Would it be possible to have an option to have the numbering be determined by the REFERENCES tag (assuming that there are no non blank unmatched references inline prior to any relevant REFERENCES tag? (This would allow for a more rapid identification of imported items with missing references/footnotes or other contet at Wikisource.)

The second feature request relates to being able to set an inline block to allow a multi-paragraph reference, Currently all footnotes/REF tags are wrapped in a SPAN, which means that it's not currently possible to have 'block' based footnotes, or even to (sub)class them directly for a specific work. An example of a content page (again at English Wikisource) that uses a Block or table based footnote is - s:Page:Royal Naval Biography Marshall v1p1.djvu/45 where tabluar data is given in a footnote.

What is being requested is the ability to set a REF tag as containing block level content ( most likely a table , poem , or DIV ) such that the markup for such items is generated cleanly, and does not result in a DIV/POEM/TABLE based content tag, ending up inside what is at present a SPAN based construction. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 06:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello ShakespeareFan00, I'm very sorry for replying so late. Thank you for taking the time to write these issues down!

We'll take all the feedback we receive on this page and consider it in the research phase, which will kick off soon. If we have any questions, we will come back to you. -- Have a good day, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:21, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

For some potential use cases see the usages of s:Template:Blockref which I'd used to track references where the second point here would be useful. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:23, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Shared citations proposal

I guess User:LWyatt_(WMF)'s Shared citations proposal would be relevant to this topic. --Diegodlh (talk) 20:00, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Diegodlh. I have also now referred back to this technical wishes item from that proposal’s ‘background’ section. LWyatt (WMF) (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@Diegodlh: Excellent! Thanks a lot for the pointer.

@LWyatt (WMF): we're looking forward to talking to you. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 12:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

WMDE-References-FocusArea Phabricator project tag

Hi! I noticed @Thiemo Kreuz has created WMDE-References-FocusArea project tag in Phabricator. I see there's a list of possibly related tags and tools/bots/gadgets in the description. I wonder whether Web2Cit project tag and Web2Cit tool should be added as well. Wasn't sure whether I should do it myself, so I'm asking here. Thanks! Diegodlh (talk) 15:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Diegodlh. I have added the links to our project description on Phabricator. We'll have a look at this tool in our research! -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Cool! I'm one of the developers of Web2Cit. Let me know if I can be of any help! Cheers Diegodlh (talk) 16:50, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 17:19, 28 February 2023 (UTC)