Talk:Uralic language contest 2019/Articles

Adding more articles to the lists

In order to add more articles to the lists, what you need to do is to find the Wikidata item number for what you wish to add. For every article in Wikipedia, there should be a link in the toolbox to the left that says "Wikidata item". If you click this, you will come to a Wikidata item. The item number is the one at the very top of the page, or in the URL, that starts with a Q and has many numbers. If you copy this and add it to the table on this page, it will be added to the contest. If you should have any trouble, please feel free to ask me to help. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Dear Jon Harald Søby (WMNO), how to add the media from Wikimedia Commons to the UralicContestTable (about the culture of the Ural peoples), descriptions of which we would like to translate into the Uralic languages? Thank you for your reply! — Niklitov (talk) 15:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@Niklitov: Unfortunately I don't know how to do this at the moment. But we can make a separate list for images/media if you'd like? Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 10:00, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby:. There's no wikidata entry for the Inari Sámi Language Masters since there isn't an article about them on any Wikipedia that I know of, but this would be a great subject to write about. The idea came up in the comments on this post. EDIT: so my question was (that I forgot to add, sorry!), how to go about adding this one? -Yupik (talk) 13:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I created a wikidata item for the main program instead of the language masters at Q61748055. Some of the language masters have their own wikidata items anyways. -Yupik (talk) 21:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

A question

Uralic language tree

Why are English, Estonian, Finnish, Norwegian (Nynorsk and Bokmål), Swedish, Russian and Ukrainian languages included, despite they are not indigenous Uralic languages? --Agusbou2015 (talk) 16:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Estonian and Finnish is part of the tree of the Ural languages (and Finno-Ugric Group). In my opinion, other languages are here to support translation. Niklitov (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

When I create articles in Northern Sámi, I try to always add translations of that article into the English and Finnish wikipedias (and sometimes others) to force them to have some up-to-date information on these subjects, so I appreciate them being included here. Moreover, there are a lot of topics that only exist in one of the "bigger" languages; these articles can be used for translating. (Although I have to admit I have no idea why Ukrainian has been included!) -Yupik (talk) 18:30, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Agusbou2015! Sorry, didn't see this question before now. The contest is about indigenous Uralic languages and cultures, but one can write in any language. I have included the indigenous Uralic languages with Wikipedias, plus the majority languages of the countries they are spoken in, but we can add other languages upon request (which is why Ukrainian was added, since Visem requested it because he writes in Ukrainian). Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 09:23, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I suggest adding even German because it includes a significant amount of well-written articles on Uralic. Michael.riessler (talk) 09:15, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

For development of the Ural languages

Please add

• Hungarian language (hu),
• Selkup language (sel at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Nenets languages (yrk at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Nganasan language (nio at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Enets language (enf at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Khanty language (kca at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Mansi language (mns at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Ingrian language (izh at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Votic language (vot at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Livonian language (liv at Wikimedia Incubator)

for the development of the Ural languages in the incubator. — Niklitov (talk) 15:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Should incubators be their own group since there are so many of them? To the above, I can add 5 of the other Sámi languages:

• Southern Sámi language (sma at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Lule Sámi language (smj at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Inari Sámi language (smn at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Skolt Sámi language (sms at Wikimedia Incubator),
• Kildin Sámi language (sjd at Wikimedia Incubator)

-Yupik (talk) 18:27, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

 Support (about their own group). — Niklitov (talk) 22:03, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Niklitov, do you mean adding them as their own columns in the table? I'm afraid that's not possible because Incubator unfortunately isn't connected to Wikidata at the moment (and the tables are based on Wikidata). But I will add the subjects that I've missed to the table now. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 09:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Crud, it would be good to see them in the tables too. It'd be really neat to see those projects growing too :) -Yupik (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Language tree

I replaced the language tree. The former tree (which was about Finno-Ugric, rather than Uralic) is not according to commonly accepted linguistic knowledge. (The reconstruction of Nostratic is not a generally accepted hypothesis.) Michael.riessler (talk) 09:14, 22 March 2019 (UTC)