Talk:Poles are evil/Archive 1

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Meta is not an enyclopedia. The neutral point of view is far less important here than on en:. Moreover, this article is an ironic form of (seemingly) self-deprecating humor: it has been written entirely by Poles. --[[User:Eequor|ηυωρ]] 02:33, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It's a joke, people! Is sarcasm a foreign language to you? Space Cadet

I'm Polish... :(

Yeah bunny! --[[User:Eequor|ηυωρ]] 21:20, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

To avoid confusion, you pronounce it tea <space> who you <as one word, space> yeah bunny <again, one word>. It is very common greeting in Poland. If you will use it with your polish friends you will never forget their amazement. Szopen

A very interesting artice. --ShaunMacPherson 15:57, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Meaning

So, what does "tea - who you - yeah bunny" mean? And can somebody write it in i Polish? Quite 10:23, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

..Do you really want to know? ;-) Anyway, don't use it in public in Poland ;-) Pibwl

Yes, I really want to know. Quite 14:57, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

According to [1], it's "Ty chuju jebany", which in Polish means "You are fucking penis". Matt Crypto 14:51, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

More precisely, You f**ing penis, keeping in mind, that this is the most offensive word for penis in Polish language (written correctly: ch*j, not h*j - what many Poles are not aware of). Pibwl

You f**king dick would perhaps better convey the intended meaning :)

Well, yes. BTWm there more of such nice sentences, like: scotch me tea who you. Odd pear doll she, tea story who you. Yes Tess Q Tess. Dee may she. 150.254.31.167 07:45, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This article is just wrong. More importantly, it lacks credible sources.--Eloquence

And the author has comples of inferiority :) 150.254.31.167 07:45, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Let's make it a meta translation of the week... ;)

--Aegis Maelstrom 18:11, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO PERUSE THE MORE ERUDITE PAGES OF THIS WIKIMEDIA PROJECT BUT SOMEONE NEEDS TO CHECK THE ENGLISH IN THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE AS THE HUMOUR IS OBVIOUSLY LOST IN TRANSLATION AND IT JUST COMES ACROSS AS RACIST TO ENGLISH SPEAKING POLES (WHO DO EXIST SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH!)

BY THE WAY, WHILE YOU ARE ON THE SUBJECT OF POLISH/ENGLISH PUNS THERE IS ALSO THE WELL KNOWN SONG SANG TO COMMEMORATE THE DAY YOU CAME ONTO THE PLANET :- "HAPPY BIRTHDAY WHO-YOU!"

Could someone explain to me how this page is any more valuable than one stating that "black people eat fried chicken and steal VCRs"? silsor 22:27, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Well, the reason is, that being a Pole, I rolled on the floor laughing while reading it. But, people: I hope noone gets it seriously... Pibwl

I'm not pole but this is my favourite on meta, can't help laughing. Of course, I don't trust one word about it, which is even better. villy 22:38, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Making fun of stereotypes of one's own culture is more acceptable than making fun of someone else's. It's even better if you can mock those stereotypes at the same time. —Charles P. 18:30, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yep, yep, another Pole here - let's keep it :) --Piotrus 18:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

It is a holly Truth!!! May be with a little exception - that article Exists, thus Poles are not hopeless...

Oh, it's so hilarious I can't stand it. The article is indeed ... well, I don't understand what is it for and it doesnt represent any value for me, but isnt this discussion itself so hiarious it shouldnt be deleted :P ? (a Pole)

Some Polish guys have no sense of humor, especially when it touches their own nation. Ale, zebyscie wiedzieli, nie kazdy Polak ma taki zly humor jak "(a Pole)"! Not every Pole has such a bad sense of Humor jak "(a Pole)"! Very funny article! Micha. Polska jest zajebiste P&K znali się od lat guci gang hispana 2k19 całe te

Let's keep comments in comments

Moved from article to here: --Piotrus 18:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Guideline based on my own experiences - Arkadiusz D. Danilecki (actually, based on behaviour of people who were discussing with me). <- Do not trust him! He's a loonatic. And we Poles aren't these little, irritating people. Just check it in more trustworthy source of knowledge, like National Geographic.

As a side-note, while I wrote this I thought about about real behaviour of real people in wikipedia. Maybe that's why this is funny for Poles working on wikipedia, sicne they immedietely can recognise such behaviour, while some misguided Pole thought this was offensive. - szopen

I must say this is one of the funniest things I have ever read on the internet. I'm not Polish myself (though I have a great affinity for the land and it's people), and and at no point in time was I inclined to take it seriously. A great article, to delete it would be a disgrace.

Irony/joke

Seeing the way a few Poles reacted to the HtdwP article, I've come up with an additional rule: "Poles have no sense of humour. Don't ever be sarcastic and do not try joking when conversating with a Pole and especially not when explaining something to one". 85.128.94.20 11:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

And one more thing: Poles often suffer from severe losses of memory. Lik me up there :P (it was my suggestion) Airwolf 11:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

If I'd write a similar, ignorant article about your country- I guess you would have a similar reaction.

1. Sign you comments
2. it was written by Pole

100% agreed. I am a Pole, and while I can live with stereotypes about any nationality, I'd rather not spread them in such a manner. One will find it funny perhaps (and forget about it later on), but someone else might simply remember these as a general "rule" about a nation's representatives. It's misleading and untrue. And definitely might be offending. Sense of humour has nothing to do with it. --83.31.79.164 15:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC) (Lech)

Want More

This piece is very entertaining and I'd like more. I've tried clicking on the blue link above and get nothing. I need more, please help!68.255.4.188 20:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The link didn't work for me either ;-))) -Ziomek 84.40.11.43 22:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't work because it's not supposed to work. It should give you the following impression: arguing with Poles is the same as clicking on this blue link.

Want more? Here U go: rule nr 1 - that's true, I'm the best example - I love to argue with because I simply love to argue :P I don't say that I'm always wrong but even if I'm it doesn't disturb me... :P

rule nr 2 - true, true, true - if someone (not Polish of course) show his/her knowledge of Poland/Polish than I'm am IMPRESSED - don't know why and how - it's merely so.

rule nr 3 - I don't agree. ok, most of us speak English poor, but people from wikipedia speak (or rather write) fluent (I reckon...). Hmmm... most of my friends, however, would be able to communicate with an English guy so i simply can't agree with that point.

rule nr 4 - we are nationalists - that's true, but only while talking with foreigners. In Poland, among Polish, hardly anyone would call himself a patriot (maybe with some % in blood). But on the other hand - Polish patriot= nationalist, American nationalist=patriot. Why is it so? (I would call myself nationalist, too but I also like jokes about Poland :P)

rule nr 5 - Polish aren't an exception here :P

rule nr 6 - our sources are ok, the problem is a simple Polish guy - not the sources, in Poland we have two "histories" - one is on the left and the other on the right. And sometimes it is difficult not to mix the true with the ideaology. However, the situation is getting better every year (yeah, communism...)

rule nr 7 - God, how I hate that :P

To sum up - I must say that what is written in the article is more or less but true :D now you can laugh

Author!

Does anyone remember the original author of this hillarious piece of prose? Kudos to Szopen. As a sidenote, I guess it's the best monument to w:User:Nico he could ever dream of. Halibutt 11:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

You're a fool

You should be hung from your neck till you die. That "article" can be considered as treason. What kind of ungrateful moran are you? I understand sarcasm, but thats just idiotic and completely stereotypical. Why dont you write something about how our country was betrayed, how it was raped and crucified while our "allies" watched. Insted of giving these gullible north americans new ideas on how to be funny. You're setting up an unexpecting person for a good old Polish ass kicking with that material. :/

It doesnt matter who wrote this junk. Its insulting, it has nothing to do with having a sence of humor. 65.49.129.103 00:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh please. My advice to you is: read the talk pages of controversial entries in the English Wikipedia. You'll see there people arguing against any stament made by a Polish poster exactly in the way that's presented here. The sole aim of this page is to mock the stereotypes worshipped by this kind of people. Miki 18:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

So this supposedly mocks the way people argue against Polish people? -- Zanimum 13:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Yup, that's exactly it. Very often do people assume we're wrong because we're Poles. Not because we're wrong or because we use biased sources, but because of our nationality/citizenship/ethnicity/whatever. Which is precisely why this thingie was written. I even advise people to take a look at this guidebook at my user page, it's really great :) Halibutt 22:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Jesus, this guy Zanimum needs to lighten up. I am an Englishman living in Poland, and my wife is Polish. I think what Halibutt says is pretty close to the Polish character. It's also interesting to talk to Poles about 1) Politics, where they say you can only do this with a drink in your hand (too true) and 2) History, which many of the younger generation don't seem very interested in because they think it's boring.

On the whole, though, I think the Poles have a great deal in common with the Brits - love of alcohol, satirical humour, horrible weather in the winter, great films etc. (although I believe the Polish are a more cultured race since Britain is now ruled by 'chav' culture). Also, try asking Polish people about the Russians - I asked my students and all that came up was 'they all wear black leather jackets' and 'they're all mafia'! Ivankinsman 09:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You're a genius

Simply amazing, I love it. 74.114.69.206 20:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Wish you were here

Poles at home have no need to prove anything to themselves, or to maintain their own good image in a serious and responsible manner, because they’re a homogenous nation - over ninety per cent Catholic - living inside their own close borders. For that reason, no-one in Poland could ever use their self-defacing irony and sarcasm against them in their own social environment on the basis that all humor - good or bad - contains the proverbial grain of truth.

It is a different story for the Poles living abroad who are the target of national stereotypes. Believe me, this is not funny. Anti-Polish sentiment is alive and kicking in all of North America. I’ve experienced it myself. On occasions American friends who wanted to introduce me in a better light to their own friends attempted to hide the fact that I’ve been born and raised in Poland. They would bring out my foreign ancestral connections to soften the blow… and your attitude is partly to blame Wikipedians.

I’m afraid you know little if anything about the people who applaud your article and claim not to be Polish themselves. Besides, you might be misreading their motives dazed by the warm feeling in the belly brought about by the scarce words of foreign support. Some of those who like your article might not like you, and yet put nothing in writing, only confirming their anti-Polish sentiment. Have you thought about that?

Wish you were here…. You’d be able to understand what is and is not a good joke in English. This article is not. Not with a barrage of slurs reminiscent of Michael Richards’ stand up comedy for which he’s been ostracized among black Americans.

Poeticbent 07:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Once more, but seriously

Szopen is an intelligent man to have written this article with his en-2 intermediate knowledge of English. He might not be familiar with the spirit of Western multiculturalism, but that’s another story. He does not have to feel any sense of responsibility toward the well being of his own compatriots who live abroad. It is his free choice to dump fuel on anti-Polish sentiment raging outside his own safety zone.

However, I’d like to appeal to Wikipedians living in Poland to refrain from supporting Szopen’s misplaced sense of humor, because you might have no idea what it is that your doing to yourselves.

Poeticbent, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Bollocks. I live on the continent in question myself, and I've never been subject to an anti-Polish sentiment. I strongly suggest that any and all people who may read this obviously over the top article content page and become reinforced in their beliefs that Poles are idiots are not worth dealing with, period. Any civilised person will be able to realise this is a parody.

For your information, "self-defacing irony and sarcasm" against Poles is fairly common in Poland, with most users of said irony scheduling their flight to London ASAP, but nevertheless. I'm not even mentioning the attitudes towards the Kaczyński twins, or Lepper, or Giertych, or Gazeta Wyborcza, or whoever fills in for the żydomasoneria at the moment...

On an entirely different note, I find it somewhat disappointing that this page doesn't mention that Poles are communists. --user:Qviri 16:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

"Ignorance is bliss." See: The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy

Poeticbent, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This is the exact same situation as with en:Throw the Jew down the well: This was Sacha Baron Cohen's probable intention: to show that anti-Semitism exists today in the United States. This is a fine example of the satirical side of Baron Cohen's creation, as well as a kind of Socratic irony.

In this case, This was Szopen's probable intention: to show that anti-Polish sentiments do exist on Wikipedias. This is a fine example of the satirical side of Meta, as well as a kind of Socratic irony. --user:Qviri 16:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Bollocks indeed. Not only did I enjoy this article, but my Polish mates thought it was wonderful. Szopen's humour is anything but misplaced here. --user:Wozocoxonoy 17:01, 23 December 2006 (GMT)

Let's write something like that about Jews. It will be shut down after ~2-3 hours. -- user:Pan Wikipedia

Poles Are Evil

Much better title - and much funnier :-) JzG 09:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

You forgot the fact that we wear socks with sandals (irrelevant, but very popular in stereotypes)

This article is a smear against an entire group of people...

... namely, against any Wikipedian who happens to have a dispute with a Pole (by the way, I have never actually had one, but I have read some). All that this article says is that Polish wikipedians are (at least mostly) good and smart, and that they (at least mostly) suffer from (at least mostly) evil and stupid non-Polish wikipedians in the various disputes and edit wars that they engage in (to a greater extent than the reverse occurs). On the one hand, every one of the complaints in the article could be made, occasionally on good grounds, also by Croats, Serbs, Albanians, Estonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Ukrainians or any other small nation engaged in similar disputes; thus, singling Poles out makes no sense, except as a way of implying, egocentrically, that exactly Poles happen to be the most common or unjustly affronted victim of such arguments, just as Mother Poland is supposedly the one and only most "raped and crucified" (quoting the previous editor) country. On the other hand, if you look at the actual complaints, they may in many cases be regarded as misrepresenting the opponent and using a straw man that's good of all occasions:

1. number one suggests that there is an unusually great number of prejudiced people arguing against Poles (implying that there are significantly less extremely prejudiced Poles arguing against other people),
2. number two, while a funny in-joke, is not a satire of anything;
3. number three suggests that opponents of Poles tend to be impolite more than, say, Poles do;
4. number four implies that Poles are not frequently nationalists (this is rubbish, of course, almost any nation and especially any East European nation - I'm saying this as an East European - has a very strong tradition of nationalism)
5. number five will occasionally apply to everyone, it's stupid to suggest that it is exceptionally or prototypically characteristic of opponents of Poles (and never, god forbid, of Poles themselves)
6. number six implies that Polish authors won't tend to have a pro-Polish bias (yes, they will; in the same way, I wouldn't use a Greek, Bulgarian or Macedonian author as a neutral source on Macedonia, a Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian author for the Yuogslav wars etc.),
7. number seven - like number five;
8. number eight - just like number four, it implies that a certain accusation is always wrong, while it might in fact be true in some cases. It is a fact, in a way, that within certain controversial areas, all or most editors from a nation belong to a single POV-warring team of sorts.
9. number nine - just an extension of number eight. The phenomenon can't be forbidden, but it's real and irritating, and common in all topics of national disputes; although the problem is not the "flocking" itself, but the mindless, automatic POV warring, where even real, intelligent, educated editors behave as more or less sophisticated sockpuppets of the Fatherland.

I'm not coming back to discuss this, because while I was unwise enough to spend some time writing it, I absolutely can't afford a long discussion, much less a hysterical quarrel with (more or less overtly) patriotic souls of any nation.

--91.148.159.4 01:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep in mind, that:

1. Poles are not a small nation (Ukrainians aren't either). In fact, these are bigger than most of the nations in Europe.

2. There's nothing wrong in being nationalist. Moreover, in certain circumstances it's the only way to survive.