Talk:MakeRef/En

Language

• There is no easy way to switch language. Can you please add a visible language selector at the page? Thanks and greetings -- Nichtich 10:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Website

• is it just me, or does the "arbitrary website" template not work any more? -- Nichtich 10:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Book section

I tried adding it, based on the examples above and a little common sense. However, I could be missing something, so please take a look at it. Thanks. 66.92.53.49 04:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Punctuation

Would there be any chance to see the period within the quotes:

• instead of "This Interesting Article". to see "This Interesting Article."

Thanks for considering it. ilmari 07:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

How about a hot link to the relevant template?

Yes, a link to the selected template on the results web page: to "template:Cite web", or "template:Cite book", etc. Thanks in advance? --66.68.107.5 04:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

<?¿?> BioPseudo (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Citenews

It'd be helpful if this supported the Citenews template. The "News on a website" format would work except for the mandatory URL. Will Beback 21:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

A reference for a newspaper should also include the place of publication, Can this be added? By the way, "The London Times" (the example given) is incorrect. It should be "The Times (London)". In other words, the title of the newspaper needs to be in italics, the place of publication in non-italics but in brackets (obviously the latter is necessary only when the place of publication is not part of the title). 80.44.239.90 08:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

This has now been added. -- 79.67.241.255 13:42, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Date formats

At least for en.wikipedia, this needs to stop using ISO dates (yyyy-mm-dd); the current Manual of Style advice is to use the date format used elsewhere in the article (i.e., use the international default of "D[D] Monthname YYYY", or if the article is in American English, use "Monthname D[D], YYYY" US style. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:12, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Full parameters for books, and other sources

I've coded the full params for books - see a volume book at the en.WP of Brachiopod. I also know some Web sites are published by the same publishers, e.g. about video games, and these sites should be works. This suggests also that all types of sources should be reviewed to seen what the full params should be included. Is there more efficient process that just repeating the same params in each type of sources? Note: you'll get a faster response from my en.WP Talk page--Philcha 14:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I've changed last4, first4 and authorlink4 to the pattern of the rest - the Harvard citation templates used at en.WP change last4 to et al. Please do not more add sets (5 or higher), as the Harvard citation templates cannot cope with more. --Philcha 07:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I proposed to build params list from {tl|citation}} and other inclusive or unusual citations, then build the params list into each type of citation, excluding only any paras that are logically impossible for that type. --Philcha 07:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Court reports

USA state court cases are reported as e.g. 2007 NE 12345 (year, state code, number) - see Neutral Citation, Court Web Sites, and Access to Authoritative Case Law. Additional codes are needed for:

• Nation. I suggest using the upper-case, 2 letter code used for nation code, e.g. US, and the other nations will know the ones they use more often.
• Level, e.g. up to Supreme Court or equivalents (e.g. UK Law Lords).
• Legal system, e.g. criminal or civil.

The list of nation codes is long:

• AD Andorra
• AE United Arab Emirates
• AF Afghanistan
• AG Antigua and Barbuda
• AI Anguilla
• AL Albania
• AM Armenia
• AN Netherland Antilles
• AO Angola
• AQ Antarctica
• AR Argentina
• AS American Samoa
• AT Austria
• AU Australia
• AW Aruba
• AZ Azerbaidjan
• BA Bosnia-Herzegovina
• BB Barbados
• BD Bangladesh
• BE Belgium
• BF Burkina Faso
• BG Bulgaria
• BH Bahrain
• BI Burundi
• BJ Benin
• BM Bermuda
• BN Brunei Darussalam
• BO Bolivia
• BR Brazil
• BS Bahamas
• BT Buthan
• BV Bouvet Island
• BW Botswana
• BY Belarus
• BZ Belize
• CA Canada
• CC Cocos (Keeling) Isl.
• CF Central African Rep.
• CG Congo
• CH Switzerland
• CI Ivory Coast
• CK Cook Islands
• CL Chile
• CM Cameroon
• CN China
• CO Colombia
• CR Costa Rica
• CS Czechoslovakia
• CU Cuba
• CV Cape Verde
• CX Christmas Island
• CY Cyprus
• CZ Czech Republic
• DE Germany
• DJ Djibouti
• DK Denmark
• DM Dominica
• DO Dominican Republic
• DZ Algeria
• EC Ecuador
• EE Estonia
• EG Egypt
• EH Western Sahara
• ES Spain
• ET Ethiopia
• FI Finland
• FJ Fiji
• FK Falkland Isl.(Malvinas)
• FM Micronesia
• FO Faroe Islands
• FR France
• FX France (European Ter.)
• GA Gabon
• GB Great Britain (UK)
• GD Grenada
• GE Georgia
• GH Ghana
• GI Gibraltar
• GL Greenland
• GP Guadeloupe (Fr.)
• GQ Equatorial Guinea
• GF Guyana (Fr.)
• GM Gambia
• GN Guinea
• GR Greece
• GT Guatemala
• GU Guam (US)
• GW Guinea Bissau
• GY Guyana
• HK Hong Kong
• HM Heard & McDonald Isl.
• HN Honduras
• HR Croatia
• HT Haiti
• HU Hungary
• ID Indonesia
• IE Ireland
• IL Israel
• IN India
• IO British Indian O. Terr.
• IQ Iraq
• IR Iran
• IS Iceland
• IT Italy
• JM Jamaica
• JO Jordan
• JP Japan
• KE Kenya
• KG Kirgistan
• KH Cambodia
• KI Kiribati
• KM Comoros
• KN St.Kitts Nevis Anguilla
• KP Korea (North)
• KR Korea (South)
• KW Kuwait
• KY Cayman Islands
• KZ Kazachstan
• LA Laos
• LB Lebanon
• LC Saint Lucia
• LI Liechtenstein
• LK Sri Lanka
• LR Liberia
• LS Lesotho
• LT Lithuania
• LU Luxembourg
• LV Latvia
• LY Libya
• MA Morocco
• MC Monaco
• MD Moldavia
• MG Madagascar
• MH Marshall Islands
• ML Mali
• MM Myanmar
• MN Mongolia
• MO Macau
• MP Northern Mariana Isl.
• MQ Martinique (Fr.)
• MR Mauritania
• MS Montserrat
• MT Malta
• MU Mauritius
• MV Maldives
• MW Malawi
• MX Mexico
• MY Malaysia
• MZ Mozambique
• NA Namibia
• NC New Caledonia (Fr.)
• NE Niger
• NF Norfolk Island
• NG Nigeria
• NI Nicaragua
• NL Netherlands
• NO Norway
• NP Nepal
• NR Nauru
• NT Neutral Zone
• NU Niue
• NZ New Zealand
• OM Oman
• PA Panama
• PE Peru
• PF Polynesia (Fr.)
• PG Papua New
• PH Philippines
• PK Pakistan
• PL Poland
• PM St. Pierre & Miquelon
• PN Pitcairn
• PT Portugal
• PR Puerto Rico (US)
• PW Palau
• PY Paraguay
• QA Qatar
• RE Reunion (Fr.)
• RO Romania
• RU Russian Federation
• RW Rwanda
• SA Saudi Arabia
• SB Solomon Islands
• SC Seychelles
• SD Sudan
• SE Sweden
• SG Singapore
• SH St. Helena
• SI Slovenia
• SJ Svalbard & Jan Mayen Is
• SK Slovak Republic
• SL Sierra Leone
• SM San Marino
• SN Senegal
• SO Somalia
• SR Suriname
• ST St. Tome and Principe
• SU Soviet Union
• SV El Salvador
• SY Syria
• SZ Swaziland
• TC Turks & Caicos Islands
• TD Chad
• TF French Southern Terr.
• TG Togo
• TH Thailand
• TJ Tadjikistan
• TK Tokelau
• TM Turkmenistan
• TN Tunisia
• TO Tonga
• TP East Timor
• TR Turkey
• TT Trinidad & Tobago
• TV Tuvalu
• TW Taiwan
• TZ Tanzania
• UA Ukraine
• UG Uganda
• UK United Kingdom
• UM US Minor outlying Isl.
• US United States
• UY Uruguay
• UZ Uzbekistan
• VA Vatican City State
• VC St.Vincent & Grenadines
• VE Venezuela
• VG Virgin Islands (British)
• VI Virgin Islands (US)
• VN Vietnam
• VU Vanuatu
• WF Wallis & Futuna Islands
• WS Samoa
• YE Yemen
• YU Yugoslavia
• ZA South Africa
• ZM Zambia
• ZR Zaire
• ZW Zimbabwe
• ARPA Old style Arpanet
• COM US Commercial
• EDU US Educational
• GOV US Government
• INT International
• MIL US Military
• NATO Nato field
• NET Network
• ORG Non-Profit

Note: you'll get a faster response from my en.WP Talk page -- --Philcha 21:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Change requests

Please change the single quotes in the reference name <ref name=' '> to double quotes <ref name=" ">

Please remove the generated space between <ref name=...> and {{cit

These cannot be amended from here. -- 79.67.241.255 17:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The generated output currently suggests that where references are being added for the first time, the following code should be placed at the bottom of the page:

==References==

<div class='references-small'>

<references/>

</div>

Perhaps this could be changed so that it suggests adding the following code:

== References ==

{{reflist}}

I haven't found a way to amend the suggested text. -- 79.67.241.243 23:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Please also add a 'jump to top' link at the bottom of the form input page as a quicker route to get back to the form submit button. -- 79.67.241.227 20:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

All done. Added a second Submit button at the bottom of the page, works just the same.--Magnus Manske (talk) 10:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! All confirmed to be working as expected. Many thanks for making these minor changes. -- 79.67.241.227 17:03, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Broken PMID and DOI identifiers now fixed

Between 6 July 2013 and 20 March 2014, the PMID and DOI identifiers generated within citation and cite journal templates were malformed.

This problem has now been fixed.

Editors may wish to review the relevant Wikipedia edits made during that period and manually correct any issues still remaining. -- 79.67.241.255 00:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

A similar issue may have existed between 21 July 2006 and 14 August 2012 for cite journal templates and between 17 August 2007 and 14 August 2012 for citation templates. -- 79.67.241.243 19:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Missing trans_title parameter now fixed

Between 6 July 2013 and 20 March 2014, filling in the trans_title parameter on the cite web form input did not result in the data appearing in the generated template. The data was lost.

This problem has now been fixed.

Editors may wish to review the relevant Wikipedia edits made during that period and manually add the translated title where this has not already been actioned. -- 79.67.241.243 17:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

A similar issue may have existed between 2 January 2010 and 25 January 2013 for cite web templates. -- 79.67.241.243 19:43, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The current parameter gives an error on all wikis. Instead of trans_title is has to be trans-title (dash instead of underline). Alfie↑↓© 13:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

This issue has now been fixed. I prefer underscores in parameter names as they do not wrap, making them more readable when editing - but higher powers have decided to universally change to hypens. -- 92.23.57.123 16:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Missing issn parameter now fixed

Between 9 November 2009 and 20 March 2014, filling in the issn parameter on the cite journal form input did not result in the data appearing in the generated template. The data was lost.

This problem has now been fixed.

Editors may wish to review the relevant Wikipedia edits made during that period and manually add the issn data where this has not already been actioned. -- 79.67.241.243 19:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Missing id parameter and problem with DOI now fixed

Between 13 August 2007 and 23 March 2014, filling in the id parameter on the cite book form input did not result in the data appearing in the generated template. The data was lost.

Between 28 May 2010 and 23 March 2014, filling in the doi parameter on the cite book form input resulted in the DOI data appearing in the id parameter value in the generated template. Additionally, no doi parameter was created.

These problems have now been fixed.

Editors may wish to review the relevant Wikipedia edits made during that period and manually amend any DOI data found in the id parameter to instead use the doi parameter where this has not already been actioned. -- 79.67.241.244 10:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

A related issue existed between 13 August 2007 and 28 May 2010, where filling in the doi parameter on the cite book form input resulted in the DOI data appearing both in the doi parameter value and in the id parameter value in the generated template. -- 79.67.241.244 11:05, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Change requests II

References with an ID or name <ref name="xyz-123">...</ref> are very easy to re-use within the same article. It's a simple case of copying the opening <ref name="xyz-123">, pasting it where required and adding a closing slash, e.g. <ref name="xyz-123" />.

MakeRef has an option to fill in a reference name but many editors don't bother doing so. This creates extra work for someone wanting to re-use a reference as they first have to make up a name for it. I would therefore like to suggest some simple functionality that automatically creates a name if that form field is left blank.

Some suggestions on automatically creating a name:

For a news item with URL, extract the domain name and article number e.g. www.example.com/news/345890.some_story_title leads to <ref name="example.345890">...</ref>

If there is no article number, try extracting a date from the URL, e.g. www.example.com/news/2012/sep/14/some_story_title leads to <ref name="example.2012sep14">...</ref>

If there is nothing usable in the URL, try extracting something from the publication date form field, or else generate a random number.

For a news item without URL, extract the name of the publication and the publishing date or the page number and use those.

For a journal, extract the journal name, volume and page. Take the initial letters of the journal name and add the volume and page after, e.g. for an item in "Nature" use "n.2014.54". If there is no volume information use the publication year or date. If none of that is present, use the PMID or PMC ID if present, or else the initial letters of the publication name followed by the final few digits of the DOI, else generate a short random number, e.g. "n.357533".

For an ordinary website, extract the domain name and add to it either part of the page name (especially of there are digits present) or a random number, e.g. "nasa.424433".

If there is nothing easily usable from the input data, just make up a completely random name, e.g. "ref_6F32BA5227".

If people don't like the suggested name they can always amend it once pasted into the article or they can create their own unique name for each reference they are creating, next time they use the tool. -- 79.67.241.201 09:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

What happened to the MakeRef tool

I formerly was able to click into a site to make a good-looking and properly-formated cite reference for Wikipedia. Can't find it any longer, and searches only got me to this page. If that tool still exists, it would be very helpful if this search-findable destination for MakeRef would include the link(s) to that(those) pages. Cheers. N2e (talk) 12:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

It's at https://makeref.toolforge.org/ and listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Citation_tools

-- 92.23.57.123 07:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Broken Cite Press Release template now fixed

Between 15 January 2014 and 28 September 2024, the cite press release template always produced malformed code output due to a typo in the "language" parameter.

This problem has now been fixed.

Editors may wish to review the relevant Wikipedia edits made during that period and manually correct any issues still remaining. -- 92.23.57.123 08:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Broken Cite Map template now fixed

Between 15 January 2014 and 28 September 2024, the cite map template always produced malformed code output due to a typo in the "language" parameter.

This problem has now been fixed.

Editors may wish to review the relevant Wikipedia edits made during that period and manually correct any issues still remaining. -- 92.23.57.123 09:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)