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GitLab

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gitlab.wikimedia.org

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Link: https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/$1
Prefixes: gitlab:

Since we have a git: pointing to the official Gerrit, we could introduce gitlab: pointing to the official Wikimedia GitLab. Info on wikitech:GitLab. --Valerio Bozzolan (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Yup, let's do this. (I guess I shouldn't use my +sysadmin rights but instead wait for a +steward?) Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:28, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

+sysop should be enough :-) —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Added. Sgd. —Hasley 20:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Let's wait for the cache update. Valerio Bozzolan (talk) 20:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Just deployed the changes. Majavah (talk!) 13:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

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utrs

utrs links to https://utrs.wmflabs.org/appeal.php?id=$1 which no longer works. The correct path now seems to be https://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/appeal/$1. I am not sure if they plan to move out of the -beta domain soon but I guess we can change it so it becomes a functional interwiki link again. Ping a couple of developers/maintainers for advice: @AmandaNP and Majavah. Thanks, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Right now I don't have any immediate plans to move out of it simply because enwiki has it in a lot of templates already. so might be best to switch the interwiki map. -- Amanda (she/her) 00:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@AmandaNP: Thanks. Does updating the map to https://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/appeal/$1sounds good to you? —MarcoAurelio (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Yep, no objection. -- Amanda (she/her) 09:56, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Done then, diff. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:31, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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UTRS (file an appeal)

utrs-beta.wmflabs.org

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Proposed link: https://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org
Proposed prefix: utrs-app or utrsa (utrs is already in use, can't come with anything else, feel free to propose alternatives)

UTRS, short of Unblock Ticket Request System is a Cloud VPS project to allow blocked users to request an unblock. An interwiki link would be useful so stewards could start using it in our global block/lock summaries. UTRS has been recently adapted to handle appeals of global blocks and locks, and may be more user-friendly than VRTS (OTRS). —MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Already done UTRS redirect was created in June 22

Comment There should only be one UTRS address created and hoping that will be their universal landing page. They should be managing themselves, not requiring multiple links to multiple parts. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:30, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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PsychonautWiki.org

psychonautwiki.org

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Link: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
prefix:psychonaut:

Not done Neither reasoning provided for its creation. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:32, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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Miraheze

meta.miraheze.org

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Link: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/mh:$1
Prefixes: mh:, miraheze:

Addressing concerns on WMF-banned user running this site as stated by User:Legoktm on previous discussion about adding this site into interwiki link. Just because this site is ran by WMF-banned user(s) does not mean it is not allowed to add as interwiki link (BTW, it is actually fine as long as it doesn't cause any problems).

Miraheze is a non-profit alternative to Fandom and it can covers more non-entertainment topics. Use cases are links to a wiki that was closed on FANDOM and migrated to Miraheze, especially with recent LGBTA wikis on FANDOM being forcefully merged or even closed, but not cite as references because all wikis are UGC, therefore it is not reliable. 36.72.46.16 12:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

declined and speedy close this has been discussed and rejected through consensus by the community, in archives for 2019 and 2020, and there is no new argument brought that impacts the previous discussions. That was not a single user decision. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with @Billinghurst, but here's a thing, Miraheze has becomes the home of wikis closed by FANDOM for violating their community creation policy and also long standing LGBT+ wikis were forcefully merged into one, which gained FANDOM a bad reputation of forcing changes without obtaining the consensus first per [1]. However, the closure of Qualitipedia/mainline reception wikis following the RfC on Qualitipedia Meta begs the question, has consensus about adding Miraheze as an interwiki link on Wikimedia projects changed? Sorry for the some irrelevant stuffs, and I know FANDOM, Miraheze, and Wikimedia (I'm here) are completely different. 36.72.46.16 07:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 00:33, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

kamelopedia

kamelopedia.mormo.org

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kamelo • global-search

User:Charly Whisky pointed out on dewiki (link), that kamelopedia.mormo.org redirects to kamelopedia.net now. Therefore I suggest to change the interwiki map for kamelo from

http://kamelopedia.mormo.org/index.php/$1

to

http://kamelopedia.net/wiki/$1.

Raymond (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

confirmed and noting that there is no https — billinghurst sDrewth 02:27, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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betacluster

meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org

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betacluster • global-search

The Beta cluster is a part of Wikimedia, and satisfies all conditions listed above. An area for test wikis, the Beta clusters was linked to for about 10000+ times according to global-search. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 12:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: Done (diff) — I tested this, and [[:betacluster:simple:Test]] / [[:betacluster:meta:Test]] etc. (will) work as expected — TNT (talk • she/her) 12:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@TheresNoTime: I think @Jdforrester (WMF) made a good argument here why Beta Cluster sites should not be added to this map. It's been some time and circumstances might have changed, but considering there's a precedent opposing the addition, I'd have prefered more discussion. Thanks, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio, TheresNoTime, and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: Yeah, there's even less of a plan now about the future of Beta Cluster than there was in 2019, but we definitely should not be encouraging people to link to it from production; adding an interwiki prefix endorses a site as a valuable thing to which to link, which I don't think is right. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 13:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I have self-reverted the addition, and would welcome someone going through them and removing the dead/redirecting links, seeing as these are "endorsements". — TNT (talk • she/her) 13:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@TheresNoTime: I cannot find any usage of the interwiki betacluster: if that was what you were requesting. Use of global-search through {{interwikicheck}} is usually the quickest means to test. Closing as Done — billinghurst sDrewth 02:35, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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ISO 639-3

silcode • global-search

Could anyone update iso639-3: in hrwiki? silcode: seems not to work. 217.117.125.83 10:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Comment this would appear to be a request for the change

http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=$1 to //iso639-3.sil.org/code/$1

That website has more than documentation, so this limits the actual use of the target website, however, it seems to be the docs that are the real target here, so I believe that this would be a like for like replacement. Noting that there is https at the target so I am willing to push that into code neutrality. I will leave this with the updated proposal and return to see if there is further comment. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:43, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Updated (diff). A global search for the IW link reveals it's only used for ISO 639-3 code linking. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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InkluPedia

inklupedia.de

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Links: https://inklupedia.de/ (Main) , https://inklupedia.ch/ (Redirect) , https://inklupedia.at/ (Redirect)
prefix:inklupedia:
related Wikidata item: InkluPedia (Q104213934)

InkluPedia is a German language wiki containing lots of articles of all kinds of topics which are not available in German language Wikipedia. The wiki was created in 2013 and is constantly updated. The articles are based on lots of reliable sources and the content is licensed with a Creative Commons license. InkluPedia is currently used as a source or weblink in a dozen of German language Wikipedia articles [2]. For sure InkluPedia does not contain malware or supports links to malware content. --InkluPedia (talk) 09:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@InkluPedia: We do not do well with conflict of interest requests, just as the wikipedias don't do well with conflict of interest editing. I do not see any support for the inclusion. I don't see an explanation of how you would be considered an authoritative source, or useful to the wikipedias or other wikis. With 75 links from the wikis, I am inclined to not do this interwiki. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:29, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

„conflict of interest requests“? From my point of view most wikis are in conflict with Wikipedia, as most topics of them are of interest for Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects. I can see no difference to most other interwikis. You think Wikipedia is the only perspective any reader should read? Do you have just one encyclopedia in your bookshelf? I hope that another well referenced perspective is of interest for your readers and your authors and will help to expand Wikipedia. --InkluPedia (talk) 08:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

By conflict of interest billinghurst means that the proposed site is making its own request here. EpicPupper (talk) 15:08, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Not done no consensus for addition, retaining status quo. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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Discord

discord.com

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Link: https://discord.com/$1 and https://discord.com/channels/$1 and https://discord.com/invite/$1
Prefixes: discord: (https://discord.com/$1) and discordchan: (https://discord.com/channels/$1) and discordinv: (https://discord.com/invite/$1)
Related Wikidata item: Project:Discord (Q47303831)

Discord is a widely-used chat platform for discussion of Wikimedia projects. While the software is proprietary, a lot of Wikimedia projects discuss on Discord (see the Wikidata item I linked) and linking to channels on Discord is something that Wikimedia projects would benefit from. The way that channels are linked on Discord is that each guild, channel, and message has a unique ID. Using those IDs allow for seamless message linking.

An example of each to demonstrate how they can be helpful: [[discordinv:abcdef]] would use the invite code abcdef to join the Discord community associated with that. There is a custom URL for the Wikimedia community that could be used to link to it (which of course is changed from time to time). The link [[discordchan:1/2/3]] could be used to link to a message with ID 3 in guild with ID 1 and in channel with ID 2. Of course a message does not have to be linked; if the message ID was omitted it would still link to a channel, and if the channel ID was omitted it would still link to a guild. And the link [[discord:guidelines]] could be used to link to Discord's community guidelines which would be very helpful when providing a disclaimer to users prior to joining. A a s i m 01:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim: I don't think that creating three varieties of link is going to be useful. I would think that creating one interwiki for the basic use is relevant, and then template usage at wikis for more advanced usage. So discord: to the base $1 that you suggested seems okay, however, the invites and the channels can be created from that base. Though I do note to you the criteria above for such creations and would suggest that the criteria should be directly addressed. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim, particularly note criteria 4 and 5: be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license) and be a wiki. EpicPupper (talk) 23:34, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

To address the criteria:

be useful on a significant number of pages - This is certainly the case on Wikipedia, where the WM Community Discord has over 1000 members and is partnered.
provide clear and relevant use to the Wikimedia projects, including the purpose of the site - A lot of informal and formal discussions about WM topics have occurred on Discord.
be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects - I don't think Discord condones any vandalism or trolling, as those go against Discord's Community Guidelines | Discord and Terms of Service | Discord.
be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license) - Messages sent on Discord are copyrighted by default; however, so are messages sent on IRC.
be a wiki - I think this is an exception because although this is not a wiki, Discord is used in a similar manner to IRC.
have reasonable amounts of content - there are plenty of discussions that occur on Discord and linking to individual points in a Discord chat would be very helpful to editors.
not contain malware - While Discord does have its fair share of bad actors, just as IRC does, there are numerous safety features to protect against malware and phishing. Discord has an automated filter and allows for the addition of bots for moderation, as well as warnings when downloading files with extensions that might contain malware or opening any untrusted external link, and especially opening up a link used for phishing. There were very little of these protections on WM sites, and a few times compromised accounts have planted logic bombs and phishing attacks on Wikipedia JS files. Of course now editing CSS/JS requires an interface admin role and the enabling of 2FA. It is also important to isolate Discord.com from its CDN. You would not be able to link to a file on Discord's CDN with these interwiki links; just to individual messages that require joining a particular Discord server to see.

A a s i m 00:34, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim: current convention (somebody please correct me if I am wrong) is that while previous items in the map might not meet all the criteria, they are exempted and new additions should meet them. Best wishes, EpicPupper (talk) 00:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe those are just general guidelines, but there an always be exceptions! Sites may still be added if they are deemed to be useful to the WM community. On the other hand, sites that meet all these guidelines but still are not useful enough to the WM community may still be declined. A a s i m 01:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment I am comfortable creating discord: Y, somewhat can see the value in a channel i/w, though still lacking a compelling case discordchan: Neutral, as I still think that this can be done via template. I do not see the case for an invitation discordinv: N I can create the base, and we can continue the discussion on the others, or we can continue the discussions. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Done at special:diff/25108766 for discord only. If the others are wishing to have an ongoing discussion, please subst: {{DNAU}} to this discussion and continue your thoughts. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Thinking about it, there isn't much of an argument for the other two other than convenience. The base will allow for linking to any Discord channel or invite that is on their platform. And from my understanding Discord's CDN cannot be linked to with the interwikis. A a s i m 18:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

doc.wikimedia.org

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T338093

doc.wikimedia.org

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Link: https://doc.wikimedia.org/$1
Prefixes: docwikimedia: wmdoc

Much usage across the movement; hosts documentation for technical tools. EpicPupper (talk) 22:06, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@EpicPupper: I don't have any issue with creating an interwiki, though I am not sure that your suggestion is my preference. I would much prefer wmdoc as it aligns with the existing WM styles and is shorter. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: wmdoc is an excellent option! Striked and updated. EpicPupper (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Support This maybe helpful. Tryvix ^t 13:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Support I would also like to use this prefix. --Waldyrious (talk) 13:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment I think that we are ready to proceed here. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:19, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment I came here to propose an interwiki for doc.wikimedia.org and am happy to see an in progress discussion. What needs to happen to get consensus on implementing this one? --BDavis (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@BDavis (WMF): I am going to attend to additions and removal identified on this page as a batch over the weekend, as I will have a bit of time. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:31, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Done special:diff/25108784 — billinghurst sDrewth 23:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

@BDavis (WMF): updated and ticket in phabricator ^^^ 00:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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tvtropes

tvtropes.org

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tvtropes • global-search

This interwiki was added way back in November 2006, before TV Tropes had its modern namespace system. Nowadays, most pages that aren't about individual tropes have been moved outside the Main namespace, which is the only one currently supported on here. Would it be possible to make, for example, [[tvtropes:Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer]] link to the Series page while still defaulting to the Main namespace if there's no slash? Other solutions (maybe a separate prefix for non-mainspace pages?) are of course welcome. Ionmars10 (talk) 18:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ionmars10: If it is has been in place since 2006, then I believe that as there are only 14 uses of its interwiki that we probably should consider stop supporting its use, especially looking at all the uses of the full domain in urls. Not one of its uses of the interwiki is of importance. That said I would have no issue with removing the main component meaning that user would just need to put the full path of the PAGENAME equivalent. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:56, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

I tend to agree with billinghurst regarding the discontinuation of the prefix. It's used 19 times at this moment. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I support removal. Frostly (talk) 03:44, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Comment proposing to discontinue, can someone please update the existing usage to full urls. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

removed Done special:diff/25108919, no active content links exist, none amended. — billinghurst sDrewth

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InkluPedia

inklupedia.de

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Links: https://inklupedia.de/ (Main) , https://inklupedia.ch/ (Redirect) , https://inklupedia.at/ (Redirect)
prefix:inklupedia:
related Wikidata item: InkluPedia (Q104213934)

InkluPedia is a German language wiki containing lots of articles of all kinds of topics which are not available in German language Wikipedia. The wiki was created in 2013 and is constantly updated. The articles are based on lots of reliable sources and the content is licensed with a Creative Commons license. InkluPedia is currently used as a source or weblink in a dozen of German language Wikipedia articles [3]. For sure InkluPedia does not contain malware or supports links to malware content. --InkluPedia (talk) 09:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@InkluPedia: We do not do well with conflict of interest requests, just as the wikipedias don't do well with conflict of interest editing. I do not see any support for the inclusion. I don't see an explanation of how you would be considered an authoritative source, or useful to the wikipedias or other wikis. With 75 links from the wikis, I am inclined to not do this interwiki. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:29, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

„conflict of interest requests“? From my point of view most wikis are in conflict with Wikipedia, as most topics of them are of interest for Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects. I can see no difference to most other interwikis. You think Wikipedia is the only perspective any reader should read? Do you have just one encyclopedia in your bookshelf? I hope that another well referenced perspective is of interest for your readers and your authors and will help to expand Wikipedia. --InkluPedia (talk) 08:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

By conflict of interest billinghurst means that the proposed site is making its own request here. EpicPupper (talk) 15:08, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Not done no consensus for addition, retaining status quo. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 06:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)