Talk:Community Wishlist/Wishes/ビジュアルエディターでの出典追加時の「再利用」で、特にGoogle BooksなどのURLから再利用の参照をできるようにしてほしい

This page is for discussions related to the Community Wishlist/Wishes/ビジュアルエディターでの出典追加時の「再利用」で、特にGoogle BooksなどのURLから再利用の参照をできるようにしてほしい page.   Please remember to: Sign posts using the four tildes (~~~~) Remain civil and polite during discussions. Place new text under old text (start a new post).

Example please

@Shohei KIMURA, would you be able to provide an example? Japanese Wikipedia should be fine I think. I am struggling to understand the wish. Maybe it has something to do with "Footnotes – Footnotes inside templates (most commonly, infoboxes and {{reflist}}) are not visible in the "reuse" dialog" in w:Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Limitations?

I did try reusing "Oppenheimer2013" in w:History of Australia and it seemed to work. That reference was Automatically Created from a Google books url I think, it is not just a bare url. Commander Keane (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for the lack of clarity in my previous explanation. What I intended to express is that, when inserting a citation in the visual editor on the Japanese version of Wikipedia, currently it is only possible to find an existing citation by searching the book title. I would like to suggest making it possible to locate a citation by entering the URL as well. The likely cause is that, under the current specifications, the "URL" parameter of a citation is not included as a searchable field in the input field of the "Reuse" tab.

--Shohei KIMURA learning 06:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Additional note. --Shohei KIMURA learning 06:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok I think I understand. When reusing a cite in Visual Editor, you can search the url a little bit, but not all of it.

Example:

• url: is https://search.worldcat.org/title/54913331
• page: w:Warrnambool
• result 1: you can search for search.worldcat.org/ and it works ([1] & [7])
• result 2: you can't search for https://search.worldcat.org/title/54913331 or search.worldcat.org/title/54913331

The system seems to truncate the url internally.

This is maybe a bigger problem when using sources from an unfamiliar language, or common urls like books.google. Commander Keane (talk) 07:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for understanding. It seems I was able to convey my intentions accurately. Shohei KIMURA learning 03:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Shohei KIMURA. Sorry to bother you again. It seems my example is not accurate. The "Reuse" does search for the exact url in the article wikicode source. However, if the website (in my example worldcat, maybe your case Google books) redirects the user to a different url without them knowing then you will search "Reuse" for a url not in the wikicode source. This may occur if a website changes their internal url structure.

Is this the problem you face? If you can give an example on jawiki I will try to investigate. Commander Keane (talk) 22:47, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Commander Keane. I tested it on an English Wikipedia page "en:Warrnambool" on my end. As a result, when I entered the URL of the WorldCat page "https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/54913331" used as a reference in the test page into the Re use tab, it did not appear in the search results. If the search were functioning correctly, the reference for citation number "2" should appear, but it did not. I'd appreciate it if you could take a look. Shohei KIMURA learning 08:21, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Shohei KIMURA, "https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/54913331" works for me. It shows [1] & [7]. There is not always a correlation (ie [1] == [1]) between the citation numbers seen in an article and the numbers seen in the Re-use tab. I could not find and bug reports or documentation about this problem though. It is probably due to footnotes used within the infobox. Commander Keane (talk) 10:11, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane, I have reviewed the details you pointed out. Indeed, the WorldCat URL used in the test (reference number "2") was the same as the ones displayed in the search results for reference numbers "1" and "7". In this case, wouldn't selecting "1" or "7" instead of "2" when attempting to reuse it create an issue in terms of consistency?

Additionally, I have not been able to locate any pages currently referencing Google Books (since the article I created has been deleted in accordance with community rules). However, based on my experience, when embedding a Google Books reference using the Visual Editor following the UI instructions (without using template blocks), entering the same URL in the Re-use tab results in no search results being displayed. I believe this is a different issue from the already tested phenomenon where "the reference numbers do not match, but the same reference material is displayed". Shohei KIMURA learning 10:52, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Shohei KIMURA, I think selecting "1" or "7" should be ok, but I am not an expert (I assume the article will sort out numbering on save). I think we need a solid example to see the Google Books problem. I did notice that when I follow a Google Books link from Wikipedia it can modify the url to my locale, even when I am in incognito mode and not logged in to Google. It may use my IP address to change the url. For example if I follow https://books.google.com/books?id=GmoPEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA389 it converts to "...//books.google.com.au/books?id=...". Thus even following the link directly from an article and then copying that link from your browser will not work in Re-use, as far as I understand. Commander Keane (talk) 11:19, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane, I did not know that Google Books had such a mechanism. At that time, I always used Chrome's Incognito Mode when editing Wikipedia and followed the procedure of copying the URL from a Google Books page and inserting it into an article. If the Wikipedia system was converting URLs at that time, then copying and pasting a URL from Google Books to Wikipedia would indeed result in the search function not working in the Re-use tab. Considering this, it may be more of an issue with Google Books' specifications rather than a problem with Wikipedia's system. Shohei KIMURA learning 11:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)