Talk:Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2018/02

I find it not satisfying to read newsletters with obsolete links. As the first subject announces the separation of Collab and Language, I wish we refresh obsolete link Wikimedia Global Collaboration team to relevant and new Collaboration page with Special:MyLanguage/ formatting. It would also be nice to include link to Language team as well in that format elsewhere once. --Omotecho (talk) 11:38, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting that, Omotecho.

I've updated the issue, but that will not reflected in the distributed versions. The template we use is also now updated.

Add the Special:MyLanguage/ formatting would be useless while those pages are not marked for translation.

I do my very best to make the best newsletter as possible. Do not hesitate to help if you spot something you can fix in the future. That would be very much appreciated.

Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF):, thank you always for your information packed newsletters, and amazed at your crisp responses. Ashamed I might have been *cross* by matters on other wiki regarding MyLanguage template. You pointed me to a Template update and that is so very helpful for a translator like me. Best, --Omotecho (talk) 12:56, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF):, hi, sorry to bother you again. Could you have a look for a moment please? I am afraid translation in ja does not show in full.

Second thing is: Maybe I should not have copied your latest edits in ja ? Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2018 (UTC) indentation --Omotecho (talk) 16:20, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Omotecho

The translation system simplifies the work, but there is a bit of things to know. Your problem reminds me my first steps as a volunteer translator on translatewiki.net, where I've been trapped in things like yours until someone rescued explained me. :)

Your current problem is that you have been trapped by translations variables. It happen to me as well in the past!

If the source is This is [[Help:Link|a link]]., you will the source in the translation interface will be This is [[$link|a link]]..$link is a variable you mustn't change.

Some examples: this translation will work Ceci est [[$link|un lien]]., but the following translations will not work: Ceci est [[Help:Link|un lien]]. (that's your configuration), Ceci est [[Help:Link|un lien]]. (it works, but if $link is updated, that translation will not be updated), Ceci est [[$lien|un lien]]. (never translate a variable).

In this diff, you have updated the page but not used the variables. :)

The source you have when you edit is: Latest news from the [[$Collaboration|Wikimedia Global Collaboration team]], about '''[[$map|Map improvements 2018]]''', '''[[$Notifications|Notifications]]''', '''[[$SD|Structured discussions]]''' and '''[[$ERI|Edit Review Improvements]]'''. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.

What you're supposed to write is: [[$Collaboration|ウィキメディア共同開発チーム]]よりニュースレター最新号をお届けします。この号の話題は'''[[$map|地図作成機能の改善]]'''と'''[[$Notifications|通知]]'''、'''[[$SD|構造化された議論]]'''ならびに'''[[$ERI|編集の査読改善]]'''です。他の利用者の皆さんにもこれらの変更を伝えてください。直接の影響を受けないものを含む場合があります。

I hope my explanation will help you! :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:28, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Ce bon! You are a great teacher, and please see my latest edit which is as you have pointed me to. A great lesson it has been, and I have very good view now.

By the way, although purged the screen, I am not sure why the whole translated page does not display after the second dagger (*Collaboration has a new project: Map improvements 2018.) That sentence corresponds to this one in ja. Do you see /ja page from the title to the end note “delivered by bot”? (What a slow learner am I) Anyway, have a nice weekend :) --Omotecho (talk) 18:33, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid that is not right yet. Check again the example I gave you, the right sentence is in it. And as we say in my family, "the more time it takes to learn something, the better at applying it you will be". No worries! :)

On the translation you quote, you have to translate the content of the wikilink. Not "$maps" but "Map improvements 2018". Same thing on that one, I have English for links labels. you can safely translate "More information" and "Help pages" but not "$info" and "$help".

Have a nice week end too, and thank you again for your help with translations! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)