Talk:CIS-A2K/Work plan July 2015 - June 2016

Kannada Wikipedia Work Plan

For the year 2015, a clear blue print is essential. There are several positive developments in the arena of Wikipedia (Kn) This is a positive sign. All the great things or small things, will have a humble beginning. So there is no necessity of anxiety whatsoever. The main factor which satisfies me as a humble contributor, (Radhatanaya) we have a very easily accessible forerunner, who is always behind us. He is having an eye of an eagle, and heart as large as Ganesh. We are lucky to have such leader, particularly in this field.

1. We have to take the stock of the total articles big, small etc; and make them very much readable, giving supports like providing pics, links, correcting the grammar mistakes etc; We should not 'just put a tag' on the top, and leave it alone. This is not the way to encourage, to expect more articles in the field of Kannada wikipedia. believe me, you will fail in your target, if you adopt the way you are going.

It is necessary to mark articles into relevant categories. You can read for more information here. Any editors can contribute for article quality improvement (Believe me, marking a stub as a stub is a part of it!). --Teju2friends (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

2. Please check the articles created on the daily basis and examine them, and make it worth presentable.

This will happen once we have an active community of editors. Please read this.--Teju2friends (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

3. There are several articles which are repeated. Because of lack of knowledge of checking by various means. Such articles can be deleted at once. Give one or two weeks time. If no response please delete them.

It is the responsibility of author to search[1] for an article before creating a new one. But don’t worry, Even if happens by mistake, any articles are found duplicate will be marked by other editors and will be marked for merge. --Teju2friends (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

4. There are some articles which provide very important information of age old cultural organisations, Associations etc, They have been working for long time, with out any propaganda or press reports. If you insist a reference, where to bring ?

Please read this. --Teju2friends (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

5. Please do not adhere to the format of English wikipedia. Think in the regional languages and act the technical supports of English wikipedia. So there are lots of things one has to introspect, and proceed.

This is a very generic statement. Please specify in which particular aspect you require deviation from English wikipedia (or wiki culture). --Teju2friends (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

6. There are many article which just say, name of a person, birth, duties and death. This is of no use. No one gets inspirational information from such articles. I call them dead articles. For example. Sir c.V.Raman's one article was there. I edited it and made it interesting.

I appreciate your work. If you feel any article can be made better, feel free to do so. If you find any such articles out of your expertise area, wait, some other editor may improve it :) --Teju2friends (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

7. In English Wikipedia articles many have tags with some instructions, because they are having resources, and naturally expecting the same. But in kannada, it is utter foolishness to expect such links and supports. Just think in kannada, and act in English. Always please try to understand English readers of the west, and kannada readers, have different expectations. Good luck. (Radhatanaya (talk) 07:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC))

Please join your hands to build the community and improve the quality. Let’s adhere to standards which are set by wikipedia. --Teju2friends (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

highlight the efforts put in by CIS-A2K??

While I have many questions about this proposal, due to time constraint I have to start asking something atleast to initiate the conversation.

Major Concerns

Kannada WikiQuotes

• May I know what type of efforts were put in to make Wiki Quotes project for Kannada?

The project became active due to a personal interest and idea that myself and kn:User:Pavithra took it up as a family project that we explained in few of the Bangalore wiki meetups and this was also presented during Swatantram by Pavithra through a recorded session as per the request from Mr. Vishnu.

I don’t think this is the good way to appreciate the ideas shared or demonstrated by the community members.

We fully accept and appreciate the efforts put up by Pavithra and Omshivaprakash in adding content to Kannada Wikiquotes. A presentation on programmatically populating Kannada Wikiquotes was demonstrated by Pavithra during one of the meetups at CIS-A2K.--Pavanaja (talk) 16:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Kannada Wiktionary

• May I know what efforts were taken to improve Kannada Wiktionary?

I don't remember seeing a single activity around it and people who are involved working around Kannada Wiktionary have been working in isolation from Kannada Wikipedia community as well.

CIS-A2K's focus has been mostly on Kannada Wikipedia and Wikisource. There is a team of active volunteers who are working relentlessly on adding content to Kannada Wiktionary. CIS-A2K took cognizance of this and even linked up between the team and the journalist from Bangalore Mirror who wanted to make an article on the growth of Kannada Wiktionary--Pavanaja (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC).

So the report should highlight the community encouragement shown by providing PR related help specifically. Otherwise the project efforts and the effort put in PR won't tally. Thanks for adding the Bangalore Mirror link here to enhance this document. Omshivaprakash (talk) 05:43, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Driving me away from sharing further about plans on Wiki Activities

Strange to see such things being added as highlights of efforts put by CIS-A2K while I have been thinking of helping WMIN or CIS-A2K in whatever way possible to make the activities beneficial for community. (most of them(community members) facing this issue, so we need to highlight this)

This is not in case of other CIS-A2K members and program director himself as they have been supporting and providing valuable inputs for all work, initiatives even helping proofreading our blogs etc. which is very much appreciated throughout.

CIS-A2K has been actively supporting, discussing the issues, participating in discussions onwiki, mailing lists, social media, and through telephones also. CIS-A2K members have always promoted active Wikipedians by highlighting their works. --Pavanaja (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

The above quote was made based on the lines which were used to quote Wiktionary and Wikiquotes, and I'm sure I have taken enough initiatives to make these on/off wiki communications possible in whichever small way possible. So, this heading need not be read separately. It was supposed to have meant how it felt when I read the report first. I have also quoted how CIS-A2K has been encouraging and supporting outside the boundaries of Kannada activities. Omshivaprakash (talk) 05:45, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Quality?

I have been bringing up issues related to quality where in this report talk about having taken steps to ensure best quality. Just last month I have put my comments mentioning the articles being created without any sort of research from the institutional partnerships with colleges and universities. Only after discussion mails were sent out and the same has been forwarded to Mr. Vishnu (Program Director) mentioning about the steps being taken only after bringing it to notice. I see no internal quality control on such partnerships and only now it is being talked about and already the report boasts about having taken all measures. The note added by User:Radhatanaya itself shows how many active Wikipedians don't know about the wiki culture and Wikipedia basic rules to edit and contribute articles. I don't think any other major proof needs to be given to talk about the quality here. Kannada Wikipages also talk much without references.

It is not true that corrective action by sending emails is taken only after the quality issue being raised. CIS-A2K has been in touch with the faculty at partner institutions, mostly through telephone calls and SMSes. Most faculty people don't check emails very frequently as we people do. Hence telephone is the fastest way to reach. Emails are also sent with detailed instructions which can't be given through telephone or SMS. CIS-A2K member has taken extra effort to personally go to the partner institution to highlight the importance of quality.

Radhatanaya has been a Wikipedian since 2007 much before CIS-A2K program came into existence. There are one or two such old Wikipedians who need to be educated on wiki culture, importance of adding references, what is a good articles, etc. CIS-A2K is in constant touch with these editors and the results are slowly being shown.--Pavanaja (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Writing an email/SMS and the need for such things are very much essential as I myself face that issue while working as a volunteers. The program itself has to drive the quality from the day one and it depends on how the message and the steps to build a free and open encyclopedia is built. Its about the culture as I have quoted. If necessary, the delivery method and the way it is perceived by the attendees needs to be reviewed, researched and the corrective measures to be needed.

With respect to some of the seniors editing Wikipedia, quoting the quality again becomes a big issue here as they have lots of time to contribute but they still don't understand how the quality has to be maintained. Even if CIS-A2K spend a week with them training them and making them understand the quality measures, finding solutions to reference issues which they crib about would be a worth effort rather than doing 10's of out-reach programs as we have numbers + adding quality would take Kannada Wikipedia to next level. So, please review how this is approached. Also as a admin from the community from Pavanaja should definitely take quality control as a high priority and its not good to be lenient selectively. Omshivaprakash (talk) 05:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Community Discussion/Idea Exchange

All community discussions or idea exchange cannot become a part of program plan, it has to be agreed upon by the people who coin those ideas in community and then only the projects have to be built to support community members.

The work plan is still being evolved. Ideas from the community have been invited and the feasible are being incorporated. The very purpose of this discussion page is to discuss, evolve and finalise the work plan with the participation from the community.--Pavanaja (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I request you to follow the method of Idea lab used by WMF to give the required highlight for people who share ideas, let it take years to be implemented or worked on but - that would highlight how community is thinking and also add how CIS-A2K can support such plans along with community members. I can help setting up a Idea lab project on Kn:Wiki. Omshivaprakash (talk) 05:55, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

No Activity Reports & Followups

There has been no community report on activities created. Many of these issues reported on WP:VP are not responded to yet. Community don't have a clue on new people joined, mentored and continuing to effectively edit Wikipedia though there have been many outreach programs. Out-reach programs are ineffective unless community is engaged to support that crowd continuously unless they are become effective editors.

CIS-A2K is regularly publishing quarterly reports. For example, here are the reports of last two quarters -1, 2

Thanks for those links, but still as a community member I can't see how many attended the outreach programs and how they are doing over the period of time. I would like to adopt a best practice to track the community led workshops here on so that even the future community members can understand how a program can be planned and executed. And also further follow-ups can be done with the members who joined and never turned up after the first sign-up and first edit. Do we have anything valuable to take from CIS-A2K past work around Kannada wikipedia? Omshivaprakash (talk) 05:58, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Article Counts

Are we differentiating the articles that are being pushed from Wikisource to Kannada Wikipedia? I remember Shrikanth Mishrikoti making hundreds of such articles available on Kn:Wiki. So, do we count the contribution from the last years 1500 people reached out through outreach separately? I’m not sure.

Shall we have a monthly breakdown of articles, editors and retained editors please? I can help if there are any data points to come up with the report.

Growing number of article is not what the community needs. As the media has been criticizing on the wikipedia quality for Kannada, we can’t simply copy paste from Encyclopedia shared by Mysore University and ask Students to write anything they want without references etc. (Our facebook community chat room is the proof for the conversation that I’m quoting here for articles without references from colleges).

Mysore University encyclopaedia is the best encyclopaedia for Kannada. Creating articles taking input from this encyclopaedia re-released under CC-BY-SA by Mysore University, will definitely get some good quality articles for Kannada Wikipedia. While doing so, the editor has to make sure to improve upon the article by adding latest information about the topic, if available, and make sure that references have been searched and added. Some editors are doing so.

We need to have a style guide for this as a part of the project so the new editors catch up with the style. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Detailed table on articles and editors will be generated and provided.

Looking forward to it. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Regarding quality of articles added by students – CIS-A2K has taken strict measures to ensure the quality of articles added by students. Students have been instructed to write the article in their sandbox, show them to their faculty and then to CIS-A2K members. Only after it has been approved, they are allowed to make the article live. This multiple level of scrutiny helps in maintaining the quality of the articles added by students.--Pavanaja (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Can we go back and check the old articles which are already pushed without approval? We can make required changes to the template used to identify those articles in a row. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Any new leaders created?

We are not clear what has been really achieved out of the outreach programs in various districts. Except one last TV program attended by St Aloysius or SDM college students - I don’t remember seeing any other leader emerging out of the programs to systematically continuing to build wiki programs in institute or otherwise.

CIS-A2K has been generating new editors from last one year or slightly more than an year. It takes more time to develop a leader.--Pavanaja (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Please include a plan to identify the active editors and bringing them to TTT or similar programs focused around Kannada wikipedia so that community can learn to prioritize its growth. This would also include turning an active editor into an active leader for the upcoming programs. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for this excellent suggestion Omshivaprakash! It is essential that we do this more pro-actively. Thanks for facilitating Kiran's participation in TTT-2015 this time around. We will certainly bank on you to reach out to the Bidar based Wikimedians that you have been grooming and involving them in next year's TTT and other such similar programs. --Visdaviva (talk) 06:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Don't bite off more than you can chew

Institutional partnerships - We are not yet having all books released under CC digitized and uploaded to Wiki Source. No news on what has been done to streamline books contributed by Department Kannada and Culture. Are we sure we want to take up more without finishing base work?

I myself initiated a follow up on Niranjana’s work with all at CIS-A2k and continuing to work on getting them in Commons through followup or whatever it takes. This is just a point to ponder.

Kannada Wikipedia has got very few Wikipedian’s who are working on and off with right perspective towards Wiki Culture. We have been contributing in our own way by technically being around in social media, Village pump, emails, mailing list etc. Rapport can be built with community and then a plan is built to make the program effective.

We have sent request to OTRS team sending all the declarations by Mysore Univ, Tejaswinin Niranjana and GoK. But they have not raised any ticket so far. We are waiting for the ticket to upload the books. We have added some content from Mysore University and GoK. But not adding more and waiting for the OTRS response.

As per the discussions on Wikipedia mailing list, many of us trying to understand and learn how the OTRS can be handled as we have many out-of-copyright works. Can we have an orientation or a document created on Kannada wikipedia for explaining process involved. We should not be trying to re-learn the processes for which we have spent time, efforts and money.

Yes, OTRS team takes its own sweet time and also number of books might have made them review it slowly. We can still try sending a follow-up if needed. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

We do have a program officer exclusively for institutional partnerships. He is fully dedicated to all related works.--Pavanaja (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Looking forward for the active involvement and contributions from Tanveer. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Request

I request for a detailed report on what has been achieved from the last years program list where in I myself had contributed ideas and I had also informed that I might not be able to take up all of them single handedly due to personal and professional responsibilities. Shared whatever inputs, technical time, translations, suggestions, comments through the year and even during planning. I feel that there is not enough justice done to that previous list. The present list mostly contains what has been discussed by community not a plan derived to achieve the best results.

I shall continue to discuss as and when I read and digest the information. Omshivaprakash (talk) 17:44, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Reports of last two quarters are here - 1, 2--Pavanaja (talk) 17:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

These are summaries. I have mentioned how a program report can help community take next steps to improve participation above. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:09, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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After reading above lengthy discussion, I want to add few points,

• The main difference of opinion seems to be in the scope of the report. Let’s clearly define the scope & have content specific for that. If CIS-A2K's focus is on Kannada Wikipedia and Wikisource, it is good to have statistics only on them - clearly differentiating counts created by CIS-A2K's program effort. This will eliminate most of the confusions. We can discuss & define the template of such report for next term in a wikimeet.
• Quality: In case of controlled engagements with colleges and universities), it will be good to define a process of publishing (We can go for engagement only if they agree to follow the process). E.g.: Article Assignment -> Peer review -> Quality review (May be other peer/professor) -> Final review (by professor) -> publish. Articles which fail the process will not be pushed on wiki. This will help to create a good bench mark for other articles. This process can be brainstormed during next wiki meet.
• Community Discussion/Idea Exchange: I believe there is lot of WIP in this area.
  • Though we have good number of followers on Facebook, the platform is failing to have a active participation on the project. I have observed only few people are active on facebook. It will be good to have discussion on WP:VP (though FB users are reluctant to do so, we should encourage it).
  • Each wiki meet - sammilana, must have a predefined agenda & should document activities done, concerns raised, action items and decisions taken. This will help avoiding "reinventing the wheel".
  • We should work on bringing together contributors of different engagements & projects (E.g. authors from institutional partnerships and Wiktionary) on a single platform.
• Any new leaders created?

This is the major output factor we should work on. I believe this is directly correlated to establishing a community discussion & brining new editors in.

We should properly documents “lessons learnt” & “what went well”. This will let us analyze if any change in approach is required. Overall, let’s put apart all the differences in the process & have a fresh start with New Year. -- Teju2friends (talk) 08:27, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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I endorse the Implementation plan, especially the points under content generation. Workshop for writers will not only generate new editors for Kannada wikipedia, but also help the language in general as new writers are trained. Thematic & focused monthly sprints will ensure that authentic content about specific topics gets into Wikipedia. Srimysore (talk) 09:24, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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Quality & Thematic Improvement

I appreciate the involvement of Kannada Wiki community in developing the work plan as this eventually serves the road map for next 1 year, but there are some points to be noted before doing so.

Quality improvement is one of the most tedious process. Would like to know the dedicated time limit of this process.

Quality of about 25% of the poorly written articles is expected to be improved by the end of the year - Based on which criteria these will be selected? And will this be a progressive one when it comes to community?

Institutional participation is good but I've seen articles written by those students which are not up to the mark. How these will be tackled & will there be any improvement (in terms of percentage)?

Thematic improvement - We all know that University of Mysore released Vishwakosha under creative commons but I don't see any content added from it to KnWiki. Why this hasn't been used under thematic?

- Kiran, 05 April 2015, 06:58 (UTC)

Thanks Kiran for your active involvement. Most of the points that we discussed during the TTT-2015 have gone into making this work plan.

Addressing quality of articles in Kannada Wikipedia will be an ongoing activity. Initially we have to focus more on improving the quality of existing poorly written articles. We have made a rough estimation on the amount of work involved. Based on the work involved and the amount of time that can be devoted to this activity, we arrived at the figure.

Regarding your query on the article quality coming out of institutional partnerships, written by students, has been answered for a similar query by Omshivaprakash, above.

Regarding your query on Mysore University Vishwakosha articles in Kannada Wikisource and Kannada Wikipedia - these are the category page in Kannada Wikisource and Kannada Wikipedia.--Pavanaja (talk) 09:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Some of my final comments User:Omshivaprakash

The answers given to my questions/concerns raised above are not answered satisfactorily. Responses were never addressed again. With respect to institutional participation, community doesn't have clear results outlined and reports requested are no where updated.

Though we have a dedicated position for Kannada, this entire report is not available for Kannada wikipedia community to understand it in its own language.

Christ University partnership has been a disaster. Please see this quality review initiated and finished with the help of few other Kannada wikipedians. For the entire years work, we have 109 articles tagged under ICCU template which demarcates the work done by the students. None of these articles are of any quality and also all of them fail to have basic reference. The language used in these articles deteriorate the quality of the Kannada wikipedia further. Its surprising that not a single article was touched after the events(edit-a-thon's) conducted for a day or two in this university. None of the community members were consulted or no effort is seen on wikipedia village pump expressing the ideas and taking inputs to run training programs or edit-a-thons in university. Also note that most of these articles are being marked for deletion due to their quality issues.

Other institutional membership contributions are hard to figure out.

We might have deleted stub or empty articles in hundreds of numbers and there are another 700 articles to be deleted after review. Most of these are from the new editors who are trained from outreach etc. No learning's have been taken from these. This talks about how a training or workshop practice without community involvement is working out. Also, gives an idea on the actual numbers.

The endorsements or contributions made to this proposal by some of the wikipedians are questionable. 1. Due to their involvement in the on wiki edits 2. There are no edits or discussion page note by many of these wikipedians in this proposal. Looks like they were asked to sign on the proposal.

I have not liked the idea of separating the wikisource project from this proposal, reason being a small community and so far the wikisource uploads etc are again done through university students or some volunteers from community. Apart from the efforts put in to get the content released under CC, no positive examples set to re-use the content to build wiki. Also having two different plans for a small community like ours distracts someone from evaluating the exact amount of money required to run any effective program.

We do not have any workshop reports, results achieved, lessons learnt etc on Kannada wikipedia. Until all these issues are sorted, I would not endorse this proposal Omshivaprakash (talk) 18:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear Omshivaprakash, thanks for your comments on the Kannada Wikipedia plan. We will engage with it in detail soon. However, we would like to take your remark "The endorsements or contributions made to this proposal by some of the wikipedians are questionable. 1. Due to their involvement in the on wiki edits 2. There is no edits or discussion page note by many of these wikipedians. Looks like they were asked to sign on the proposal." very seriously and investigate this matter internally and take appropriate disciplinary action, should it be true. More on the other comments soon.--Visdaviva (talk) 20:20, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

1.Adding to the points made by Om, I too have concern over the endorsement. Also I had asked to provide list of contributors with their contribution in drafting this work plan so that we, community members could use their ideas and suggestion for successful implementation. But I didn't get any.

2.Although the institutional partnership has created good number of editors, we don't see good number of articles. This was also discussed in IRC discussion. So for future institutional partnership, the type of approach and workshop that will be conducted has to be discussed.

3. Also, I had requested for one face-to-face discussion along with community members so that we can have detailed discussion on work plan, this was also mentioned in IRC, but that never happened :(. - Kiran, 01 May 2015, 07:38 (UTC)

No idea where it is heading to (Discussion etc). There has been no major response to the comments here. Here I find an another interesting thing.

Lesson 7 - Adding references to a Kannada Wikipedia article.webm This video was supposed to be talking about referencing in wikipedia articles. But its all about Wikipedia Commons and how to search and use Images from it. Does this ignorance explain the work? I thought of giving this video as a reference to one of the participant's who have been guided by Mr. U.B Pavanaja as this person has been adding lots of useful information to Kannada Wikipedia without any reference. But, this is pointless. The video script could have been verified by any community members. (Quality measures missing?) Omshivaprakash (talk) 17:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Lessons 6 & 7 have got interchanged by mistake. I noticed it just now. I have requested for a change in the file names. I have already changed the descriptions. There is no error in the script. It is a small error where two videos' titles got interchanged. Probably you also observed that mixup. I have suggested that person whom you have mentioned to see the video no.6 only (check the talk page) - Pavanaja

If you call the above one as a incorrect title issue, [this video contains an article requiring a copy-edit before even presenting it to a newbie as an example. The person in the article's notability is still in question as there are no references to his work and no notable work is mentioned in kn:wiki article. Omshivaprakash (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

The next video talks on how to add reference. The videos are in this order -first one learns how to edit, create interwiki links, external links, adding references and then images -Pavanaja

The article used in Video 4, 5, 6 talks about Sulabha_K_Kulkarni where in not a single reference added to the article while recording the video and that could have been atleast shown in the next phases of the video where referencing has been taught. Till date the Kannada article doesn't carry the references kn:ಸುಲಭ_ಕುಲಕರ್ಣಿ (December 2013). Hence it's not the best article that can be used on a video that is wide spread to teach wiki editing. People have been adding articles to Kannada wiki without any references and the root cause point back at the quality of these videos. Need a third party wikipedian view on these videos. It is not just about the naming or what has been covered in the video, but how it is covered. Omshivaprakash (talk) 02:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Kannada Wikisource Work Plan

As per your request, I (A small time contributor) would like enumerate a few suggestions, as follows :

1. When an experienced contributor, takes any topic of his choice, no one can say, 'it is not useful', or 'who reads it after all, such remarks', 2. A created article however bad it might seem to be, should be tried to add to the mainstream wikipedia. Yes, it can be improved, made more informative, or more illustrated etc; The moderators are supposed to correct and modify, and make it more resourceful, without hurting the sentiments of the Contributors. Just putting a tag, saying the article is not upto mark. Spelling mistakes to be checked, or not up to the wikipedia style of writing etc. 3. If an article is made, means the author has something in mind. Some organisations, have been doing useful services to the community at large, without having propaganda, or media interference. A hundred year organization, has not been covered in the leading news paper,for its activites like, Silver jubilee, Golden jubilee, jubilee programs. When the authorities decide to have their internet website now the programs are streamlined. But the original page on the internet will remain, with out disappearing. 4. Wikipedia (Kn) should not have norms, strictly as per English Wikipedia lines. East is east and West is west. The concept of West has to be modified, remodified, and set to the local conditions. This has to be understood clearly by the moderators, CEOs and others. They should have clear foresight, and plan. 5. Lastly, we think Wikipedia will provide all that we want. Now I am of the opinion, this is not very true, because, you can not expect the right kind of data projection as it is envisaged by the Wikipedia foundation, while the regional players are acting.

-(Radhatanaya (talk) 13:19, 27 March 2015 (UTC))

Dear Radhatanaya, it seems you wanted to comment on Kannada Wikipedia plan. This page is for discussions on Kannada Wikisource plan.--Pavanaja (talk) 13:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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While it is good to get more and more Kannada content released under CC License, it is equally important to ensure that the content is digitized and made available at the earliest. For this, please see if training session/s can be arranged for interested individuals. After the training, they can also be assigned specific time bound tasks so that tracking the progress is easy. Srimysore (talk) 09:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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Need a proper plan to digitize the donated books

A plan has to be created to push the content after digitization. Also, Wiki source content should be pushed in a systematic way. If the plan is to use Institutional participation, please ensure that a standard is maintained. Adding content from Wiki source to existing wikipedia needs to be done with atmost care.

Also may I know the efforts that would be put in by the program manager here? Digitization cost has been added as 5000.00 INR - Please clarify this. There is good amount of money kept aside for Workshops (We might not require that if the idea is to use institutional partnership). This proposal cost look almost the same as the kannada Wikipedia plan. Why not achieve the results out of one plan? Getting new book donations might require constant followups and visits whenever necessary. Beyond that, how Kannada Wikisource activities would be different. It has to go hand in hand with the Wikipedia workshops etc. Do we really have bandwidth to spend time and energy on two different type of projects here? Omshivaprakash (talk) 20:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

There was a small mistake in the figures. I have corrected it now. The money will be used for scanning the books.--Pavanaja (talk) 04:29, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Draft needs an another round of review for typos. and the above answer doesn't answer everything. Omshivaprakash (talk) 06:29, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Journey so far section talks about the Kannada Wikipedia editors count. Also, dream targets etc are just few numbers. Existing Wikisource editor numbers are not mentioned. Stats shows that we have a very small set of users on wiki source Wikisource Stats. An another objection is on the endorsement that is added by an editor who has not even logged into Wikisource. Please do verify the community member endorsing the proposal plans Omshivaprakash (talk) 14:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Konkani Work Plan

I would like to add that under Literary awards we also include the The All India Konkani Writers' Organization's (AIKWO) Awards. They give awards for the most promising books in Roman and Kannada scripts of Konkani. Since persons who contribute to Konkani Literature in scripts other than Devanagari are not included by the Sahitya Academy this will give a more complete information on all persons who write in Konkani irrespective of the script.AIKWO-announces-awards

The All India Konkani Writers' Organisation (AIKWO)award categories are Poetry, Stories and Novels and Drama (Plays). Each Award consists of Rs. 20,000/- and 'Sanman' presented at the Literary Conference organised by AIKWO. Outofindia (talk) 20:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Konkani Books Donated

By Mandd Sobhann
On 6th April 2014 an editing workshop was held at Kalaangan Mangalore [http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=227399 organised by AIKWO in association with CIS A2K at which 3 research works published by Mandd Sobhann – were donated for digitisation and handed over to Dr. U. B. Pavanaja
1. Konkani Songs Among Mangalorean Catholics,
2. Anthology Of Konkani Literature In The Kannada Script and
3. Mandd Sobhann And Its Impact On Konkani Language And Literature
I don't see it listed anywhere. How can we get this task going?Outofindia (talk)

Isidore Dantes and Joel D'souza
A MODERN ENGLISH KONKANI DICTIONARY (Konkani in the Romi Script) is under print and expected to be out by August 2015. The authors have offered it to the Wictionary project. It will be a Source Associate for KONKANI WIKIPEDIA. We would like to plan a launch event In Goa in mid August and an event in Mangalore on the 22nd August 2015. Looking for the community's support to help organise the events and promote them.

Suggestions

Hello,

I have reviewed the page/proposal and here are a couple of high level observations/opinions --

1. I think this initiative is long time coming and I am glad that this is happening. On behalf of Marathi Wikimedians, I'd like to thank CIS-A2K for putting this together.

2. The plan is too ambitious.

Given that there is only one co-ordinator (albeit with support from CIS-A2K,) the number of projects seems to be way too diverse and unfocused. For example, the plan is trying to address wikisource, wiktionary and Wikipedia along with contributions to commons, working with multiple types of content in one fell swoop. From my experience, it will be distracting to have so many irons in the fire at the same time.

I'd propose that the plan focus on two or three things to begin with --

Community building - Marathi community is woefully short on active editors. There are several reasons for this and addressing as many as possible is imperative to building strong projects. A strong community will not only grow the projects, it will also contribute immensely to the very end CIS-A2K is trying to reach with this effort. Without a strong community, excellent projects with noble intentions have fallen flat and will continue to do so. I'd recommend looking beyond Mumbai/Pune for community. While these two metros are vital in building a community, rest of the state, country and world has much more to offer.

Rules and guidelines framework - Almost as important as the community is a framework within which it will operate. In any crowd-sourced project, sparks begin to fly as soon as more than three people get together (especially Marathi people! :-]). A coherent operating framework will ensure that all that energy is channeled properly and minimal time is wasted over trivial arguments. Bits and pieces of this framework have already been developed by the existing community. First order of business in this regard would be to gather that up and organize it. From then on, new guidelines, properly vetted and agreed to by the community and a fall-back strategy/plan to resolve disputes are equally important.

Focus on one knowledge area - Until the community is strong enough to take on challenges of co-ordinating with multiple, diverse sets of partners at the same time, it should work with a set of partners that have a common goal. Social institutions, research institutes, libraries or even schools/colleges are examples of such partners. This will allow CIS-A2K and the community to channel their time/effort and show meaningful progress. With a "shotgun approach", it's quite possible that we'll make a little progress in many disciplines but none will be enough to be showcased as an achievement of this effort.

3. Online does matter - While a lot is to be said about the value of offline activities that promote Marathi Wikimedia projects, the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. If all the offline activity does not result in online artifacts (articles, content or even significantly increased readership), all that work done away from the projects will have come to naught. Online/offline activities must be synchronized and cross-promoted to realize most bang for the buck and increased visibility across the globe.

I'd like to reiterate that this initiative is a good thing for Marathi Wikimedia projects and the above observations are intended solely to increase its effectiveness and are not simply criticism for criticism's sake. I have been active on w:mr for almost a decade now and always willing and available to offer my perspective as well as all kinds of help that I can provide.

I'd be willing to sit down with CIS-A2k and others to brainstorm some of the ideas presented above as well as in the original proposal.

Let's work together to make Marathi Wikimedia projects much better than what they are now.

Cheers,

अभय नातू (talk) 17:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear अभय नातू, thank you very much for closely engaging with the proposed Marathi plans. Sorry for this delayed response. Appreciate your support and active engagement with CIS-A2K's efforts. Some more thoughts below in the same order.

• Our core focus will be on Marathi Wikipedia. We would like to assure you that the proposed activity plan is put together based on our experience of working in other language areas, interaction with some of the Marathi Wikimedia community members (including you), and institutional partners. The role of CIS-A2K will be more of a catalyst in nature and thus we feel we could under take these wider set of activities with a single language anchor. This has been our strategy in the other language areas too.
  • That said your suggestion to focus on building a robust active editor community and look beyond Mumbai and Pune are well taken. We will give this more priority. Any specific suggestions on this are very welcome.
  • Could not agree more. We would need the wisdom and experience of long term Wikimedians like you. We would be happy to work further in implementing this framework with your help.
  • Our experience tells us that in working with institutional partners 1 or 2 out of 10 actually click and take off. So the intention in putting up the list is not to spread ourselves too thin but to increase our probability of success with couple among them. We will keep the community informed on the progress with these institutions and would like to work together.
• Yes, most certainly! This is our intention too.

Thank you for these suggestions. We would be more than glad to flesh out these ideas in more detail with you and others in the community. Thank you for extending a helping hand to work with the Marathi community. --Visdaviva (talk) 11:29, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for your response.

I'm ok with the approach if it's been vetted in other projects. There may be minor adjustments needed for each language/project sure you're already mindful of that.

I can see the reasoning behind approaching multiple institutions. It probably makes more sense to do so than to rely on 1-2 only to have them drag their feet.

Thank you again for kicking off this initiative. Hope to see great things come from it.

Cheers,

अभय नातू (talk) 18:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Odia Wikipedia Work Plan

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IIMC Dhenkanal

As i had already mentioned about this in IRC,I hope this year CIS-A2K will not continue doing workshops at IIMC Dhenkanal. We are not getting any outcomes from there, it is only a waste of money and time. --Saileshpat (talk) 16:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Odia Wikisource Work Plan

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Telugu Wikipedia Work Plan

Needed response

There are concerns in telugu wikimedians over this workplan here in plan's local translation talk page. There are nearly 4 sections, where Arjunarao, vyzasatya along with me made their comments and proposed some changes in plan. You've made your point to 2 of these 4 comments, and told you could make clear explanation to the remaining two in a short span of time and regretted for delay on 5 april 2015. I couldn't find any changes on either plan according to our proposals and objections or your explanation or clarifications. We are awaiting to see those explanations.--Pavan santhosh.s (talk) 13:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Translation needed

Last week Telugu wikimedians Vyzasatya, Arjuna rao and me have given some suggestions and raised concerns over some aspects which will help in improving your plan. These suggestions are here in discussion page of this plan in telugu wikipedia. Try reading those and come for discussion in telugu wikipedia itself.
Even though there are telugu staff in CIS-A2K you choose to copy this page with english content and telugu titles. This makes some very active telugu wikimedians who doesn't know much english can't read that work plan. I could understand if you are in some hurry about your works, but try to add translating text in your priorities.--Pavan santhosh.s (talk) 14:05, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
(PS: This is my comment published in another discussion page accidentally on april 4th. I've rectified that by copying the comment to the relevant page and deleting it there today(april 5th))

Pavan santhosh.s I am sure you must have noted that we have put up the entire Telugu Wikisoure plan in Telugu and have begun translation efforts for the Telugu Wikipedia plan too. We have sought community support for translation of the plan. You too could help with it. Currently the A2K team is working on multiple fronts and we will try to do our best in doing the translation.--Visdaviva (talk) 07:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Translate it to telugu and make it available in telugu wikipedia

I Request responsible authorities to make this work plan draft available in telugu wikipedia ideally by translating it or else at least by creating a page with existing english info.(as you have done already with telugu wikipedia work plan). Then you can have a good discussion there, Many of telugu wikipedians are comfortable in discussing in telugu and also in telugu wikipedia first. Later on we can summarize here.--Pavan santhosh.s (talk) 17:46, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Dear Pavan santhosh.s, thanks for the suggestion! Yes, we were working to put up a translated version in Telugu on Telugu Wikisource. It's available here. We have also alerted the Telugu Wiki community on the Telugu WS VP. Look forward to your continued engagement and feedback. --Visdaviva (talk) 08:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply Vishnu. I'll give my suggestions or endorsement according to the existing proposal in telugu wikisource itself.--Pavan santhosh.s (talk) 10:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Support

my names are emmanuel simiyu wesangula 29 years old married with one wife by name florence and one child by name purity mary. i m glad to hear this news of wikimedia donation which is very nice and it also helps many peoples to improve in there lifes. i would like to thank you for this such a wonderful idears that you have bought in whole world my the Lord bless you all. and i would also like to join this group so that i can make my dream came true, is it possible that you can support a single person project like me, if you can then let me know so that i can prepare my for this such nice idears . — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emmanuelwesangula (talk) 07:36, 16 April 2015‎ (UTC)

• Hello, this does not seem to be related to CIS-A2K program. If you are talking about Wikimedia Grants, you may see Grants or Help:Help. Feel free to ask questions. --Tito☸Dutta 12:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)