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Latest comment: 10 years ago by Ravidreams in topic Results

Unanswered Questions

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Latest comment: 10 years ago13 comments3 people in discussion

Several questions here:

  1. Why is this a CIS-A2K event? I can then create an edit-a-thon page and claim credit as a Wikimedia India Chapter event.
  2. Does the Wikidata community know that this is being planned? Given that a lot of people are new to how Wikidata works, we don't want a goof up.
  3. As asked on the wikimediaindia-l list: Don't you think its taking undue credit for the work which community is doing ?
  4. Another one: How is the metrics being set , for A2K driven wikidata update and community driven wikidata updates ?

I have been on Wikidata for a long time, and I can do half of these things myself. Please wait till the results are out completely. Wait for a while to ensure that atleast one article, in atleast one language is created before creating a data item. ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

  1. This is a cross-language event. If any volunteer can come forward and take up the task of co-ordinating with all Indian languages, it would be great! CIS-A2K would happily do that.
  2. Please control your words, We never goof up things.At least the Indic language communities dont.
  3. Not at all, the individual would take the edit counts not CIS-A2K!
  4. Its not whether A2K takes credit or WMIN in fact none gets the credit but for the language community. CISA2K merely came up with the idea.

Now, may we stop talking and start working? --Rahmanuddin (talk) 06:06, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

No need to get rude here. Everyone makes mistakes, even you can, I never said I didn't. Indic languge communities are also humans. Goof ups can happen anywhere. I'm just giving you some friendly advice here. ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:08, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • I am not being rude. I am interested in knowing at least one instance where Indic language community goofed up things? Mistakes are done in an unorganised, unplanned, credit grabbing work. The event page explains clearly the steps one has to do to use Reasonator. Please check the project page and help in building it. And start working! --Rahmanuddin (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Rahmanuddin, your tone is definitely rude.

  • You are also a Telugu Wikipedia sysop and volunteer, WMIN SIG chair (please let me know if you have resigned). Could you please elaborate the activities you have done as a volunteer since you have joined CIS?
  • Here is the evidence that CIS-A2K takes undue credit for community work. One more evidence.
  • No need to treat Srikanth Ramakrishnan as an outsider to Indic language communities. Please be consistent in your stand. Are you talking as a CIS employee or a community member? There are numerous instances where Indic communities have goofed up. Letting Google translation project is one example.
  • //unorganised, unplanned, credit grabbing work// Is it ? 2 out of 3 mistakes WMF lists as their mistakes in all these years relates to working in India.
  • You haven't answered the question yet on how you are going to segregate the metrics for organic work and work done exclusively because of your organization.
  • Won't this initiative create hundreds of stubs? It is well known that these stubs don't grow at all.--Ravi (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Ravi,
  • This is the discussion page of the project, please ask my work related query on my talk page. This is not the appropriate place.
  • I am not being rude to Srikanth Lakshmanan, nor to Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Because of his rude tone, you are assuming I am doing the same.
  • Once, a sizeable community starts working and labels are added properly, we would look at all the metrics.
  • This is a lable-a-thon and not edit-athon.This wont create stubs but would create at least one liner articles that would only show up as search results and not part of individual wikipedia. Please give some time to understand how wikidata works. Please learn about wikidata and both of you add yourself as volunteers and work on the label-a-thon to know more on how it works! Now may I start working back on my work?--Rahmanuddin (talk) 06:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

My apologies. all this time, I was assuming you knew how Wikidata and Wikidata search results work in Indic Wikipedias. If not, please check this blog post : http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.in/2014/04/wikipedia-search-for-in-telugu.html Ravi, you too check that blog and do help in making Tamil Wikipedia more informative. --Rahmanuddin (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

This is what I had siad in the first place. make sure that each person has atelast one article before creating an item. Two, a one-liner IS nothing short of a stub, and AFAIK, not many communities are accepting of that. In fact, I believe ta.wikipedia.org has a policy about articles lesser than 10 sentences. So ...? ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
And yes, I do know how Wikidata works. ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Rahim,

  • Why can't you do this work as a volunteer? That is my question as you are saying CIS-A2K will do the organizing if no volunteer comes up.
  • I am not assuming. As a community member, I feel insulted by the tone you use.
  • Segregating the organic community work is a fundamental question on approach. You don't need to have data and metrics for this. Until you clarify this, don't expect me to engage in this project. Thanks for your concern about Tamil Wikipedia's growth ;)
  • Go fix your line that says //This will ensure that each language has at least a single line about each of the elected public representatives. // which is misleading as if an article is going to appear in each language Wikipedia.
  • What is the budget for this event as you are including staff time as a program cost in all your programs? If you are working over time or free, why do you call this as a CIS-A2K event?


--Ravi (talk) 06:54, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

If you knew how wikidata works, I dont think its misleading. Also, this is not a page of budgets and money. This is a page of Working and editing wiikidata, lets focus there. --Rahmanuddin (talk) 07:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
Then, tell me where is the budget page and I will ask my question there :) You have also left the question about approach for segregating organic community work unanswered. You should have separate CIS-A2K user id as it is not clear whether you speaking as an employee or community member. --Ravi (talk) 07:24, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Ravi, Please use CIS-A2K's request page to request the same. When the complete work is of community, there is no need to segregate data. Only the edits done by signed up participants, within the scope of project (topics and dates) would be considered. There are some organisations who claim what they didnt do as their work and also dont check if the links are in fact valid. When the community does this, such things would not happen. As I said all the edits in article namespace are to be assumed my volunteer work only. This has been clarified many times earlier. No point in repeating the same question again and again. Now, let me woork on some productive stuff. --Rahmanuddin (talk) 07:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Boycott

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Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Rahim,

Let me decalre this.

I am BOYCOTTING to sign up for this labelothon event for the following reasons.

  • Signing up for this event will only help CIS-A2K undue credit for existing organic communty's work. There has been past evidences for these as seen

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q4

and

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Segregating_organic_metrics

  • Soon after I register a difference of opinion in META, I receive a phone call shouting at me and a Facebook chat challenging me to an edit from a CIS employee. This is no way to treat the community members and I strongly PROTEST.
  • I would rather spend my energy in contributing to full length articles like

https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/3hjv

which are more useful and highly visible.

Ravi

  1. I'm supporting this boycott. ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

How to start

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Latest comment: 10 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Help me what actually need to do? (eg. page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7136308 ). I wish i can contribute some edits related to Loksabha Result in Kerala. --Manojk (talk) 07:00, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • Manojk, it is simple. Open the data item of the politician you wish to edit. Add the label in the language you wish to edit, then, create an article ion that language wikipedia [ml.wikipedia.org]. Come back andd the title of the ml. page to wikidata. That's all. ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 07:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Adding properties

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Latest comment: 10 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Looks like a promising project. I recently tried to make sure most Lok Sabha members we had an article on were tagged as such in Wikidata (will probably run the script again in the next few days to catch the post-election updates) but I was basing this on those with English Wikipedia articles so may have missed quite a few.

If people want to add labels as well, to help us find them in future, the most useful labels for a politician would be:

Biographical
  • P31 (instance of) - Q5 (human)
  • P27 (country of citizenship) - Q668 (India)
Political
  • P39 (position held) - eg/ Q16556694 (member of the Lok Sabha)
  • P102 (political party) - eg/ Q10225 (Indian National Congress), Q10230 (BJP), Q651141 (AIADMK), Q912899 (AITC), Q859993 (BJD), etc.

Good luck! Andrew Gray (talk) 12:31, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

I'd love to join too, but doing so, CIS will take away the credit for this. ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

What does this achieve?

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Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have read all the links on the page and have contributed to WikiData myself. I am no expert and I fail to understand what this Label-a-thon seeks to achieve. To give you an example so that you can answer better, an edit-a-thon seeks to improve an article on Wikipedia accessed by the general public. In a similar vein, what does this Label-a-thon seek to achieve? Can you please explain in simple words? Prad2609 (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Results

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Latest comment: 10 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

While there were many labels related to Legislature, assembly, Lok Sabha, Rajya Sabha were added during the label-a-thon. Only labels of current Lok Sabha members are being considered for the results.
The efforts put by the Wikimedians in this label-a-thon deserve a lot of appreciation. A total of 2715 labels (543 each in five Indian languages) were added as part of this label-a-thon. For the convenience of Wikimedians, a table is given below. It gives a comprehensive summary of the status of each label, and also gives a quick link for the enthusiastic Wikimedians to add label and description in their own language wherever it is missing.

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Kothapalli Geetha http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897897
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Rammohan Naidu Kinjarapu http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901223
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P. Ashok Gajapati Raju http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16887749
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Kambhampati Hari Babu http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897892
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Muttamsetti Srinivasa Rao http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901183
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Thota Narasimham http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901291
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Pandula Ravindra Babu http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901194
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Murali Mohan Maganti http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6937288
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Gokaraju Ganga Raju http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16890566
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Maganti Venkateswara Rao http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16929702
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Konakalla Narayana Rao http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6428733
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Kesineni Srinivas (Nani http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897895
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Jayadev Galla http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6166629
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Rayapati Sambasiva Rao http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3763994
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Malyadri Sriram http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901163
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Y. V. Subba Reddy http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901317
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S. P. Y. Reddy http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7387756
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Butta Renuka http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897839
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J. C. Diwakar Reddy http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897883
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Kristappa Nimmala http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6437722
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Y. S. Avinash Reddy http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901316
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Mekapati Rajamohan Reddy http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6810535
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Varaprasad Rao Velagapalli http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901302
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P. V. Midhun Reddy http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901193
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Naramalli Sivaprasad http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6965313
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Ninong Ering http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7039087
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Kiren Rijiju http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6415053
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Radheshyam Biswas http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901207
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Sushmita Dev http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901284
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Biren Singh Engti http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4916188
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Badruddin Ajmal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q799689
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Naba Kumar (Hira Sarania http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901184
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Sirajuddin Ajmal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901274
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Bijoya Chakravarty http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4907275
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Ramen Deka http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7289353
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Ram Prasad Sarmah http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901216
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Rajen Gohain http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7285963
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Gourav Gogoi/Gaurav Gogoi http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16221747
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Kamakhya Prasad Tasa http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897890
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Rameswar Teli http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16886057
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Sarbananda Sonowal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7423486
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Satish Chandra Dubey http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16728677
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Sanjay Jaiswal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7418438
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Radha Mohan Singh http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7280187
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Rama Devi http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15730347
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Ram Kumar Sharma http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901214
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Hukmadeo Narayan Yadav http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16105255
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Virendra Kumar Choudhary http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16745222
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Ranjeet Ranjan http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7293123
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Tasleem Uddin http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901288
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Mohammad Asrarul Haque http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6891853
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Tariq Anwar http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7686140
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Santosh Kumar http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901266
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Rajesh Ranjan (Pappu Yadav http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7133113
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Kirti Azad http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2728260
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Ajay Nishad http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897819
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Rama Kishore Singh http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901218
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Janak Ram http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897884
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Om Prakash Yadav http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7089361
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Janardan Singh Sigriwal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16885675
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Rajiv Pratap Rudy http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3634892
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Ram Vilas Paswan http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6036905
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Nityanand Rai http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16734872
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Ram Chandra Paswan http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7288447
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Bhola Singh http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16736893
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Mehboob Ali Kaiser http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6809253
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Bulo Mandal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901271
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Jay Prakash Narayan Yadav http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6167051
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Veena Devi http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16736906
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Kaushalendra Kumar http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16193188
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Shatrughan Sinha http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3595242
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Ram Kripal Yadav http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7288501
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R. K. Singh http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16185592
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Ashwini Kumar Choubey http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16728021
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Chhedi Paswan http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16187254
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Upendra Kushwaha http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16736873
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Arun Kumar http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17068009
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Sushil Kumar Singh http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16195334
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Hari Manjhi http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5657150
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Giriraj Singh http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16736894
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Chirag Paswan http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16728004
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Kamalbhan Singh Marabi http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897891
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Vishnu Deo Sai http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7935991
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Kamla Devi Patle http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6358693
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Banshilal Mahto http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897826
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Lakhan Lal Sahu http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901152
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Abhishek Singh http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897818
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Tamradhwaj Sahu http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901285
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Ramesh Bais http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7289378
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Chandulal Sahu (Chandu Bhaiya http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5071500
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Dinesh Kashyap http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16194629
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Vikram Usendi http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16736905
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Shripad Yasso Naik http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7504173
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Narendra Keshav Sawaikar http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16736889
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Vinod Lakhamashi Chavda http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897845
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Haribhai Parthibhai Chaudhary http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16186182
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Liladharbhai Khodaji Vaghela http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16901154
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Jayshreeben Kanubhai Patel http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6167970
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Dipsinh Shankarsinh Rathod http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897863
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L. K. Advani http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q468324
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Paresh Rawal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3123705
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Kirit Premjibhai Solanki http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16145766
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Devjibhai Govindbhai Fatepara http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16897866
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Mohan Kundariya http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6893547
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Vitthalbhai Hansrajbhai Radadiya http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7937283
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Poonamben Madam http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16731793
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Naranbhai Kachhadia http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6965334
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Bhartiben Shiyal http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16275112
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Dilip Patel http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6036948
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--Rahmanuddin (talk) 08:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

Comments on results

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6 non-CIS staff signed up for this pan-India lable-a-thon that lasted two months. Following are their contributions regarding this project.

  1. Nizil Shah - Added 0 label
  2. Netha Hussain - Added 0 label
  3. Kannan shanmugam - Added 0 label.
  4. Manojk Added 1 label
  5. Rajasekhar1961 - Added 0 label

So, the bulk of the labels were added by a single user

Praveen Grao - Contributions list, User stats

who signed up for this event on 8th July after the results were requested on 7th July in the Wikimedia mailing list.

Of the total 2715 labels (543 each in five Indian languages) added as part of this label-a-thon, lables of Hindi / Marathi / Sanskrit are basically same labels added under different languages (Copy, paste?)

Though I didn't count Rahmanuddin's contributions, I will have to request him to delete most of the labels he added in Tamil. They seem to be added using some transliteration tool and are full of typos that any native writer will easily catch.

Finally, I thank Praveen Grao for his single handed efforts. --Ravi (talk) 16:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

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