Stewards/confirm/2009/Shizhao
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logs: rights, globalauth, gblblock, gblrights, crosswiki | translate: translation help, statement
English:
- Languages: zh, en-1, ru-1
- Personal info: I am sysop of many wiki, been a steward since 2005. I'm also a member of the OTRS and Communications committee. Past year I mainly for Steward requests/Permissions and some Steward requests/Checkuser, and Steward requests archive. see My global log and user right log.
português:
- Línguas: zh, en-1, ru-1
- Informações pessoais: Eu sou administrador em várias wikis, e steward desde 2005. Também sou voluntários das OTRS e do Communications committee. No ano passado eu me dediquei a atender os pedidos de mudança de direitos de usuários e alguns ChecUsers, além de cuidar dos arquivos dos pedidos a Stewards. Veja por favor meu log global e log de mudança de estatutos de usuários.
中文（简体）:
- 可说语言: zh, en-1, ru-1
- 个人资料: 我是多个wiki的站长，2005年开始担任Steward。去年作为Steward主要处理Steward requests/Permissions和一些Steward requests/Checkuser，以及Steward requests的存档。
The following discussion is closed: Removed during the elections. —Pathoschild 02:18:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- I would like to note that should Shizhao wish to resume his steward role after his term of ombudsman is up, he should need only go through the reconfirmation process, and not an entire election. bastique demandez! 20:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- @Bastique, the reconfirmation should be done now, not in one year, when nobody remembers him anymore. @Shizhao, sorry, but I think you are too much involved into steward activity like checkusering on zhwiki, which is your home wiki. Additionally, you were not available on IRC during the last year, at least not that I knew of. --Thogo (talk) 01:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thogo, To use or not to use irc is a personal choice. You should have no problem contacting Shizhao; he is active on meta and on Chinese wikiversity. Hillgentleman 10:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Thogo, I don't think it should be tolerated that a steward does checks on his home wiki, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 02:21, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Spacebirdy, As your probably know, the matter has been addressed on the appropriate Requests for comments/Shizhao's use of steward privilages page. Chinese wikipedia is a large wikipedia with plenty of vandals and trolls but at the same time it suffers from not being able to elect any checkuser, for the unique political situation in the Chinese speaking world. Please bear that in mind, Thogo and Spacebirdy - Shizhao was simply doing his duty; since, apart from Shizhao and Jusjih, no other steward has sufficient knowledge of Chinese; and however capable you are, as I have seen, you simply cannot provide support as efficiently as Shizhao did. Shizhao is aware of the checkuser policy; but in certain cases, the community waited for over a week for urgent CU-requests. Hillgentleman 10:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- No, the community did not have to wait for urgent cases this year. They did simply not put it on the requestpage if that was so. Also besides the requestpage there is #wikimedia-stewardsconnect for urgent requests where always many stewards are available, also those who do not watch the requestpages so closely, but are eager to help, and he knows of that channel and Shizaho could have easily passed it on to a steward of his trust and assisted with understanding the request in translating. The rfc does not interest me, I waited for the confirmation where I can put my objection, because this is the place to do that. I am sorry, but I don't think that this should have happened, exactly for the reason why there are no local checkusers on zh.wiki. And that he understands the local language and others not does not count, there are many other languages no steward speaks, but the others managed to ask someone to translate an edit for them etc... Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 12:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, few Chinese wikipedians use irc. Surprised? They use skype or emails much more. And I appreciate that you at least acknowlege there exists a prior discussion. It is rather hasty to say "he understands the local language and others not does not count"; You need to know the language to understand the problem efficiently. As you know, the log goes stale in 7 days; and I have seen precious time wasted when the Wikipedians tried to explain to the stewards their problems with their good intentions but no-so-good command in English. Chinese wikipedia is maintained by a relatively small number of wikipedians but it invites a large number of vandals, some quite serious. And they are not helped by anti-vandal bots. An For the rest, I have said enough before. Hillgentleman 12:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- I did not say that Chinese Wikipedians should use IRC, but Shizaho can, or he could have used the mailinglist and asked anyone for using skype... But he did not, he checked himself and I object to that. It is not even clear why all these accounts were checked, no reason were given. Also it is not hasty to say that, we have to do checks in other languages as well, as said. And we ask for translations of edits then, or a trusted sysop for the problems and situation. There is this rule not to do that in Your home project, either we stick to the rules or You can propose to change that. You can have another opinion and express it and I respect that, but You will have to respect my opinion too, thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 12:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- No problems; I understand Your point, and I agree with Your principles. I just wanted to bring out the fact that the case is not as simply black-and-white as a casual reader may think. Hillgentleman 17:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- I did not say that Chinese Wikipedians should use IRC, but Shizaho can, or he could have used the mailinglist and asked anyone for using skype... But he did not, he checked himself and I object to that. It is not even clear why all these accounts were checked, no reason were given. Also it is not hasty to say that, we have to do checks in other languages as well, as said. And we ask for translations of edits then, or a trusted sysop for the problems and situation. There is this rule not to do that in Your home project, either we stick to the rules or You can propose to change that. You can have another opinion and express it and I respect that, but You will have to respect my opinion too, thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 12:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, few Chinese wikipedians use irc. Surprised? They use skype or emails much more. And I appreciate that you at least acknowlege there exists a prior discussion. It is rather hasty to say "he understands the local language and others not does not count"; You need to know the language to understand the problem efficiently. As you know, the log goes stale in 7 days; and I have seen precious time wasted when the Wikipedians tried to explain to the stewards their problems with their good intentions but no-so-good command in English. Chinese wikipedia is maintained by a relatively small number of wikipedians but it invites a large number of vandals, some quite serious. And they are not helped by anti-vandal bots. An For the rest, I have said enough before. Hillgentleman 12:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- No, the community did not have to wait for urgent cases this year. They did simply not put it on the requestpage if that was so. Also besides the requestpage there is #wikimedia-stewardsconnect for urgent requests where always many stewards are available, also those who do not watch the requestpages so closely, but are eager to help, and he knows of that channel and Shizaho could have easily passed it on to a steward of his trust and assisted with understanding the request in translating. The rfc does not interest me, I waited for the confirmation where I can put my objection, because this is the place to do that. I am sorry, but I don't think that this should have happened, exactly for the reason why there are no local checkusers on zh.wiki. And that he understands the local language and others not does not count, there are many other languages no steward speaks, but the others managed to ask someone to translate an edit for them etc... Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 12:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- As I stated in the RFC, performing CU requests on one's home wiki is to be avoided and I expect that will be in the future. I'm somewhat alarmed to see Spacebirdy say that there were no reasons given for running the check - I thought the requests that were being done were at least listed on SRCU and had valid reasons, as Wing stated. That Shizhao is now on the Ombudsman Commission is a bit uncomfortable at present... I'd appreciate some clarity from anyone who can provide it. — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 18:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- Strong
Support. We both as only Chinese stewards administer many Chinese wikis very well. We cannot find at least two Chinese Wikipedians interested in checking users locally.--Jusjih 22:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC) - Keep No reason why ombudsman wouldn't keep stewardship. --Millosh 13:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- remove per Thogo. --FiliP × 17:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
