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Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Western Balochi

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final decision

Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy). The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved. Check that the project does not already exist (see list). Obtain an ISO 639 code Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki. Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.

• The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
• The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
• The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	bgn (SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Western Baluchi	Language name in English
Language name	روچ کپتین بلوچی	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item	Q12645561 - item has currently the following values: English label: Western Balochi native label (P1705): instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279): dialect group / Southwestern Balochi Wikimedia language code (P424): bgn writing system (P282): Balochi Standard Orthography, Balochi Roman Orthography, Old Balochi Orthography number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098):	Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	RTL	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links		Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	bgn.wikipedia.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name	ویکی‌پیڈیا	"Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace	ویکی‌پیڈیا	usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace	ویکی‌پیڈیا حبر و گپ	"Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	yes	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo	File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-bgn.svg	This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	Asia/Karachi	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces		For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

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Proposal

The bgn its part of Baloch speakers in North Balochistan , Afghanistan and Turkmenistan, because of we want wikipedia in this language. Ibrahim khashrowdi (talk) 01:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Arguments in favour

Hello! this language ( bgn) , language of Rakhshani baloch speakers in Pakistan , Afghanistan, Iran, Turkmenistan ,Tajikistan and other countries .A language of Pakistan. --Ibrahim khashrowdi (talk) 08:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Regions and place where people speaking with this language

ISO 639-3: bgn

Pakistan

• Population1,116,000 in Pakistan (1998). Population total all countries:
• 1,799,842.
• RegionNorthwestern Balochistan Province. Also spoken in Afghanistan, Iran,
• Tajikistan, Turkmenistan.
• Alternate names Baluchi, Baloci, Baluci
• DialectsRakhshani (Raxshani), Sarawani. Strongly influenced by Fars, but
• not intelligible with Farsi.
• ClassificationIndo-European, Indo-Iranian, Iranian, Western, Northwestern,
• Balochi
• Language developmentLiteracy rate in first language: 1% to 5%. Literacy
• rate in second language: 5% to 15%. Urdu script; Arabic script in
• Afghanistan. Newspapers. Radio programs. Bible portions: 1984.
• CommentsBalochi is the official spelling in Pakistan. It has a small body of literature.

--Also spoken in--:

Afghanistan

• Language name Balochi, Western
• Population200,000 in Afghanistan (1979).
• RegionAlong Helmand River and Zaranj area, in the southwest desert region.
• Alternate names Baluchi, Baluci, Baloci
• DialectsRakhshani (Raxshani).
• Language developmentLiteracy rate in first language: 5% to 10%. Literacy
• rate in second language: 15% to 25%.
• CommentsLargely nomadic.

Iran

• Language name Balochi, Western
• Population451,000 in Iran (1986).
• RegionNorthern Sistan va Baluchistan Province. Half are settled in cities
• and villages, half are nomadic.
• Alternate names Baluchi, Baluci, Baloci
• DialectsRakhshani (Raxshani), Sarawani.
• Language useFew speak Farsi.
• CommentsDistinct from Eastern and Southern Balochi. Ethnic group:
• Yarahmadza.

Turkmenistan

• Language name Balochi, Western
• Population28,000 in Turkmenistan (1993).
• Alternate names Baloci, Baluchi, Baluci
• Language useTurkmen is used as the literary language in Turkmenistan.
• CommentsDistinct from Eastern and Southern Balochi.

Entries from the SIL Bibliography about this language: Academic Publications

1. Farrell, Timothy. 1989. A study of ergativity in Balochi.
2. Farrell, Timothy. 1995. "Fading ergativity? A study of ergativity in Balochi."
3. Hallberg, Daniel G. 1992. Pashto, Waneci, Ormuri.
4. Sabir, A. Razzak. 2003. "Language contact in Balochistan (with special
5. reference to Balochi and Brahui)."

Vernacular Publications

• Buni kitaab. 1987.

Gordon, Raymond G., Jr. (ed.), 2005. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, URL: http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=bgn --Ibrahim khashrowdi (talk) 08:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Information

You can read about bgn western balochi ( Rakhshani Balochi) here: [1] , [2] , [3] , [4] , [5] , [6] , [7] , [8] , [9] , [10] , [11] , [12] , [13], [14]. Baloch Afghanistan (talk) 23:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Difference

What is the difference between Southern Baluchi, Western Baluchi and Baluchi? There is another voting of new Wiki for Southern Baluchi at this link.Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

There's only minor differences in the various dialects of Balochi language. I recommend there should be only one Standard Balochi Language Wikipedia (bal). That will prevent the contributions and community from dividing and work of contributors will concentrated to only one project.--Irfan Arshad (talk) 03:51, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Support

1. I support this language Baloch Afghanistan (talk) 23:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
2. Support Western Balochi.--Ibrahim khashrowdi (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
3. Support --Mjbmr (discussion • contribs) 09:27, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
4. Strong Support Great Balochistan (talk) 21:08, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
5. Support --Sarm-Baloch (talk) 18:59, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
6. Support--Doostdar (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
7. Support--Gire 3pich2005 (talk) 18:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
8. Support--Белуджский язык (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
9. Support very active--Kaiyr (talk) 05:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
10. Strongly recommended and full Support --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali 14:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
11. Support--UsmanKhan (talk) 19:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
12. Support 01:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)~
13. full & Strong Support--عثمان منصور انصاري (talk) 17:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
14. Support Samee (talk) 12:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
15. Support--Muzammil (talk) 10:00, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
16. Support--Abaseen wafadar (talk) 14:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
17. Support--Koroğlu (talk) 18:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
18. Support--Bal.Och (talk) 17:45, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
19. Support--چنگیزخان (talk) 23:45, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
20. Support-- balouch people are 20 to 30 milions people and they dont have their wiki and balouchi is very rich langauge pleeas help to them.lrc lori (talk) 17:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
21. full & Strong Support-- very need to make this wikipedia Lurvand (talk) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
22. Support--this wikipedia is active and have 5,097 article hosseinblu (talk)
23. Support Western Balochi is one of the most important and populous Iranian Languages. -- Hamid Hassani (talk) 09:14, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
24. Very Strong Support-- The test wiki has 6,786 awesomeshit articles almost going up to 7,000!!! Fuck yeah!!!! --CasetteTapeMaster (talk) 19:08, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
25. Support This wiki has grown well in Incubator by now. --Doostdar (talk) 05:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
26. Support Wikipedia need to make Baluchi branch. Ταπυροι (گپ) 12:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
27. Support --RAChitrali 05:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
28. Support Mahammad tt (talk) 21:48, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
29. Support Per above. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Arguments against

1. Oppose : I don't think each dialect should have a project of its own. There should be a single Baluchi Wikipedia for all these dialects at bal.wikipedia.org. I have read that there are only minimal differences so the community should discuss what should be the literary version of the language.--Satdeep Gill (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

   To against your oppose rationale, see User_talk:Satdeep_Gill/Archive_1#RFL questions. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

2. Oppose I did not notice earlier that there is another request for another dialect of Balochi. Therefore, I oppose it and support single Balochi Wikipedia. Samee (talk) 05:09, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
3. Oppose Per Satdeep Gill's argument. We already have lots of similar issues for existing Wikipedia languages related to Iran. For example azb is a dialect of az not another language Amir (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
4. Oppose Per Satdeep Gill's and Ozeyr's argument in this page. I support "Unified" Balochi Wikipedia. ≈ MS Sakib  «TalK» 10:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

   @MS Sakib Unified what? There are several differents between Eastern, Western and Southern Balochis. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Why we want balochi language wikipedia?

About Balochi Language

Balochi language belongs to Northwestern Iran. This language is the principle language of the Baloch of Balochistan, Pakistan, southern Afghanistan and eastern Iran. The normal word order of Balochi language is Subject Object Verb and the language is split ergativity. Country Where Spoken Iran, (Sistan, Kerman, Baam etc), Oman, (Salala, Musqat, Matrah,)Pakistan(Balochistan, Makran, Saravan, Jhalvan, Derajat, Lasbila, Quetta, ect Punjab, DG Khan, Multan, Muzafar Garh,etc, Sindh, Karachi, Haydarabad, Sakkar,etc), India,(Rajhistan, Gujarat, Uttar Perdish, Marashtra) Afhanistan, Nimroz, Hilmand, Kandhar, Turkmenistan,( Mari,Ashkabad) Kenya, (Mumbasa,) Sari Linka,UAE, Qatar, Behrain, Kuwite, Official Language of Balochistan Region Afghanistan, Iran, Oman, Turkmenistan, Pakistan Alternate Names Baluchi, Baloci, Baluci, balochi Total Speakers 8,252,000 Language Family Balochi, Indo-European, Indo-Iranian, Iranian, Northwestern Iranian, Western Iranian Writing Style Nastaleeq Arabic Script Dialects The Balochi language is divided in several dialects: Eastern Balochi, Western Balochi, Northern Balochi and Southern Balochi. Each of these dialects are divided in sub-dialects. For example Rakhshani and its subdialects: Kalati, Afshani Panjguri and Sarhaddi), Saravani, Lashari, Kechi, Coastal Dialects, and Eastern Hill Balochi.

-Western or Rakhshani-

1. Sarhaddi Rakhshani
2. Afghan Rakhshani
3. Turkmen Rakhshani
4. Panjguri Rakhshani
5. Kalati Rakhshani
6. Sarawani

-Southern (Makrani)-

1. Coastal
2. Lashari
3. Kechi
4. Karachi

-Eastern or Suleimani Dialect-

1. Bugti (Bambore Dialect)
2. Marri-Rindh (Sibi Dialect)
3. Mazari (Upper Sindh, DG Khan Region Dialect)
4. Mandwani & Jatoi Dialects of Western Sindh Region

Balochi language is spoken in Balochistan as regional language. It is also spoken in north west part of Iranand southern Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, UAE, Oman. Balochi is very close to Kurdish language which is spoken in Northwestern Iran. Balochi was not written language before 19th century. Balochi adopted Urdu Arabic script for written purposes. Its writting script is also close to pashto language. Also we are specialist in providing certified professional Balochi translation services in all major Countries of world including USA, UK, Canada, and all other Countries. We do Balochi translate all kind of letters and documents in almost all languages. We have expert Balochi translators, Balochi interpreters from all languages including English,Pashto,Kashmeeri,Punjabi,Sindhi,Farsian,Arabic,Brahovi,Hazargi,Dari,Chinese,Urdu and many other languages. Great Balochistan (talk) 21:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Logo

Logo of Baluchi Wikipedia

Here's the logo, text content provided by Ibrahim khashrowdi: "ویکی پیڈیا", "آزاتین زانت نامه". Mjbmr (discussion • contribs) 11:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)