Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mooré
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This proposal has been approved. The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project. A committee member provided the following comment: There doesn't seem to be any issues with eligibility, and editing has started on incubatorwiki. --Sotiale (talk) 06:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC) - Approved on 2024-09-12, phabricator:T374641. --MF-W 16:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
- The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
- The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
| What | Value | Example / Explanation |
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| Language code | mos (SIL, Glottolog) | A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ... |
| Language name | Mooré | Language name in English |
| Language name | Mooré | Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ... |
| Language Wikidata item | Q36096 - item has currently the following values:
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Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed. |
| Directionality | LTR | Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)? |
| Site URL | mos.wikipedia.org | langcode.wikiproject.org |
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| Project name | Wikipidiya | "Wikipedia" in your language |
| Project namespace | Wikipidiya | usually the same as the project name |
| Project talk namespace | Wikipidiya gomde | "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace) |
| Enable uploads | no | Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons. |
| Optional settings | ||
| Project logo | File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-mos.svg | This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation). |
| Default project timezone | Africa/Ouagadougou | "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones) |
| Additional namespaces | For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk". | |
| Additional settings | Anything else that should be set | |
| Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above. | ||
Proposal
[edit]The Mooré language is the most widely spoken language of Burkina Faso, spoken by over half of the 20M+ population. As this population becomes more and more online it is important to make educational resources such as Wikipedia readily available in the language.
- Hello friends, I wish to submit an official request for the approval of the Moore Wikipedia incubator. Mooré is spoken as a first or second language by over 50% of the Burkinabè population and is the main language in the capital city of Ouagadougou.
- I am a steering committee member and project lead for the Wikimedia Language Diversity Hub, and as part of our efforts to support more indigenous and low-resource Wikipedia languages, we provide technical support to incubator projects such as the Moore Wikipedia and other Mabia languages. In my capacity as the executive director and co-founder of the Dagbani Wikimedians User Group, I established the Moore community in Ghana to ensure that the Moore Wikipedia incubator joins the Dagbani and the Gurene Wikipedias as one of the approved Mabia language wikis in Ghana and Burkina Faso. This community has great potential to become one of the most active communities in Ghana, and I strongly support the approval of the Moore Wikipedia incubator.
- Learn more about the Dagbani Wikimedians User Group and the Moore Wikimedia Community. Shahadusadik (talk) 12:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]Support
[edit]- Support -- Active community. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 02:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Support -- Active community. 41.204.44.89 20:18, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support -- Active community. Cdilalo47 (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Comments
[edit]Looks like a worthy project. A good point raised by Andrew Gray at English Wikipedia's village pump though: English Wikipedia often uses shortcuts such as MOS:ACCESS for links to the Manual of Style. There are over 2000 of these shortcuts, and they are very commonly used in discussions and edit summaries. Using mos: as the interwiki prefix for this project would therefore be very disruptive, is there an alternative? the wub "?!" 23:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- My feeling is that this is probably going to be a problem for enwiki to solve (though it will be a pain) - eg switching to use WP:MOSACCESS or MOSACCESS as shortcuts - and that would probably be preferable to breaking the ISO-code standard for site prefixes. Would be good if someone could give a heads up in advance of the interwiki prefix going live, though. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I don't think breaking all those links on en.wikipedia is viable. Even if you could convince the community to start using longer WP: style shortcuts (good luck!) and update the documentation everywhere, you'll still break all the uses in past edit summaries. A quick query suggests that's around 42,000 uses of MOS: in June 2023 alone. I also dislike the idea of using a non-ISO code, but it wouldn't be the first time. the wub "?!" 13:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- These two goals aren't mutually exclusive - it would be technically possible to call the site https://mos.wikipedia.org while at the same time having "MOS:" not be an interwiki either only on enwiki or on every WMF wiki. There's already special logic that makes https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/s:t a valid title ("s:t" is an abbreviation for Saint in Swedish), whereas s:t here, or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/s:t are pointers to wikisources. The same could be done here. * Pppery * it has begun 04:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- (who did this and where it was requested is lost to time - it's been present since at least 2006). * Pppery * it has begun 04:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Maybe there is an earlier reference but it seems like this was added at the same time the "s" prefix for wikisource was added as I found svn:11443 (or if you prefer git:219094e) from 2005-10-22. Maybe you can ask @Brooke Vibber since that was her commit. —Uzume (talk) 07:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Read the commit message - "Committing various live hacks from Wikimedia servers". That only heightens my point. Not that it matters now. * Pppery * it has begun 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Maybe there is an earlier reference but it seems like this was added at the same time the "s" prefix for wikisource was added as I found svn:11443 (or if you prefer git:219094e) from 2005-10-22. Maybe you can ask @Brooke Vibber since that was her commit. —Uzume (talk) 07:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- The code for that is at https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikimediaMaintenance/blob/master/dumpInterwiki.php#L155, with some additional hacks for CirrusSearch. I would not be surprised if the people in charge consider this to be repugnant to some principle, but the problem was never technical. * Pppery * it has begun 05:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I took a closer look at this. The specific coding technique used for s:t on Swedish Wikipedia won't work since language wikis are handled slightly differently than sister project wikis. * Pppery * it has begun 23:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- One thing that would definitely work would be for the English Wikipedia to convert its pseudo-namespace for MOS into a full namespace, since full namespaces override interwikis (which is why the project namespace exists at all). Otherwise it would look like I would need a patch to core to support undefining interwikis from lower scopes in higher scopes, in addition to the WikimediaMaintenance hack above. Which then makes three layers of hacks. * Pppery * it has begun 00:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- (The s:t system on Swedish Wikipedia works because each language has the project interwikis defined specifically for it, producing a line like
'aawiki:s' => '1 https://aa.wikisource.org/wiki/$1',, which can easily be modified, but languages have a line line'_wiki:aa' => '1 https://aa.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1',which automatically applies to all Wikipedia wikis. Now that I think about it the system would presumably still work if it instead output a mos: line of the first sort instead, though. * Pppery * it has begun 00:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- (The s:t system on Swedish Wikipedia works because each language has the project interwikis defined specifically for it, producing a line like
- (who did this and where it was requested is lost to time - it's been present since at least 2006). * Pppery * it has begun 04:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- These two goals aren't mutually exclusive - it would be technically possible to call the site https://mos.wikipedia.org while at the same time having "MOS:" not be an interwiki either only on enwiki or on every WMF wiki. There's already special logic that makes https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/s:t a valid title ("s:t" is an abbreviation for Saint in Swedish), whereas s:t here, or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/s:t are pointers to wikisources. The same could be done here. * Pppery * it has begun 04:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've posted a notice of this issue at w:Wikipedia talk:Manual of style. * Pppery * it has begun 00:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Filed phab:T363538, since Phabricator is probably a better venue for this then here. * Pppery * it has begun 23:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- We really appreciate your support. Shahadusadik (talk) 12:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I don't think breaking all those links on en.wikipedia is viable. Even if you could convince the community to start using longer WP: style shortcuts (good luck!) and update the documentation everywhere, you'll still break all the uses in past edit summaries. A quick query suggests that's around 42,000 uses of MOS: in June 2023 alone. I also dislike the idea of using a non-ISO code, but it wouldn't be the first time. the wub "?!" 13:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Settings
[edit]@Abdul-Manaaf, Deeshini14, Siesy93, and Hasslaebetch: With the impeding approval of the wiki, please confirm that this project should be called "Wikipidiya" in its own language. Also we need the translation of "Wikpedia talk" (as in the Discussion namespace for Wikipedia: namespace pages) please. --MF-W 10:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @MF-Warburg I have confirmed that this project should be called Wikipidiya in Moore and the translation of "Wikipedia talk" in Moore language is Wikipidiya gomde. Hasslaebetch (talk) 22:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also confirmed what @ Hasslaebetch confirmed about the name Wikipidiya in Moore and the translation of "wikipedia talk" in Moore language is Wikipidiya gomde. Abdul Fatawu352 (talk) 23:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)