Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Maghrebi Arabic

Maghrebi Arabic Wikipedia

submitted	verification	final decision

	This proposal has been rejected. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page. A committee member provided the following comment: The request doesn't specify an ISO code and is generally unclear. There are several varieties of Maghrebi Arabic, and in one of them, there already is a Wikipedia (Moroccan, ary).

The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	(SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Maghrebi Arabic	Language name in English
Language name	Darija	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item	Q1194795 - item has currently the following values: English label: Maghrebi Arabic native label (P1705): instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279): language family / Arabic Wikimedia language code (P424): writing system (P282): number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098): 73,212,000	Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	no indication	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links	Grammar Book, Orthography Book	Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	.wikipedia.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name		"Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace		usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace		"Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	no	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo		This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	Continent/City	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces		For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Overview

History

Arguments in Favour

Favor Egyptian Arabic has over 100,000 articles on Wikipedia so why can't meghrebi arabic do the same. I agree that we don't want too many arabic dialects on Wikipedia, but if you just have the major ones like meghrebi, mesri, khaliji, shami, etc. I don't see a problem. I think it will help spread information especially to younger populations who can't understand formal arabic as well; after all, isn't the spread of information the purpose anyways?

Arguments against

Oppose I think it's a bad idea. Personally (as moroccan) I understand Algerian & Tunisian Arabic with difficulty especially when they introduce some frensh words or when they speak quickly. By the way, Moroccan Arabic have some words from Spanish which doesn't exist in Algerian & Tunisian (for ex: صباط (Sbbat) from Zapatos means Shoe).--A. SADIQUI ^(Talk) 16:43, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(صباط) exists in tunisian arabic too Aminebenamoor (talk) 12:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose --Alaa :)..! 11:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it is not a separate language but rather an accent of arabic language--مصعب (talk) 12:24, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No ISO code, please just contribute at Arabic Wikipedia! --117.15.55.228 08:32, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--أبو هشام السوعان (talk) 10:50, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose What a absurd coincidences! Migration season to the absurd. -- صالح (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As long as there is an Arabic encyclopedia, there is no benefit from this project. --عبد الله (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose-- All Arab countries speak Arabic and understand it why you wants to differentiates between the Arab peoples.--Bander7799 (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The date of the Arabic language approached, and my evidence is that the Maltese language was an Arabic dialect in the name of Sicilian Arabic, and then separated from the family of Arabic dialects after the Normans took control of Sicily and the migration of its citizens to present-day Malta, and the Sicilian dialect was included and influenced by other languages. As a citizen of an Arab country, which is Tunisia, I expect that the Arabic language will disintegrate into different languages, and this makes the unity of Arab countries impossible Aminebenamoor (talk) 12:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose All speakers of Maghrebi understand and speak Arabic as an official language. So I'm definitely against these projects.--Faisal ^talk 15:49, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Stantard arabic don't reach the level of the mother tounge of these peoples Aminebenamoor (talk) 12:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No need to create too many Arabic dialects wikis, their users can and should contribute to ar:. --117.13.95.80 09:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--أبو الشاي حليب (talk) 11:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose same as Arabic --Mr. Ibrahem (talk) 01:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]