Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Berlinisch

Berlinisch Wikipedia

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	This proposal has been closed as part of a reform of the request process. This request has not necessarily been rejected, and new requests are welcome. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy. The closing committee member provided the following comment: This discussion was created before the implementation of the Language proposal policy, and it is incompatible with the policy. Please open a new proposal in the format this page has been converted to (see the instructions). Do not copy discussion wholesale, although you are free to link to it or summarise it (feel free to copy your own comments over). —{admin} Pathoschild 02:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposal summary
Language details: Berlinisch (mhd-bln ISO—) Editing community: Peter Littmann (P) List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language. Relevant pages: — External links: —
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Support

Support We should be as accepting of Berliners as of Barvarians, Chinese, etc.Cameron Nedland 20:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. We have a lot of active wikipedias in Germanic dialects. Kneiphof 13:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think, it's a good idea. I'd love to learn more about Berlinisch. --Capsicum 22:25 CET, 16 October 2006

Support its obviously a spoken variety and its spoken unlike its written in High German, so it should be written in berliner so berliner syntax and language propering.71.142.79.248 08:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support, en: …cuz I'm from Berlin and think it's a unique language even if there isn't much written text yet. / de: Ich bin dafür, da ich aus Berlin komme und denke, dass es eine einmalige Sprachmischung ist, auch wenn es nur wenige Schriftquellen dafür gibt. Berliner76, 8 October 2006

en: Just one opinion from a real "Berliner"!? bln: Wat'n los hier, ey? Keene weitere Meinung von'e echte Berliner Jöre hier - kann doch nich sein!? Berliner76, 00:40, 10 October 2006

Support Why on Earth do we have a Veneto Wikipedia, and we couldn't have a Berlinisch one? Booksworm 17:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Oh I oppose this wikipedia, there is too many wikipedia's of deutsch.! -- KozakiUkr 14:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, Berlinisch is a spoken language only. Berliners use standard German in writing, so de-Wikipedia is sufficient. Angr 16:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, per above.. dialects are not languages, a dialect of a city is not the same thing as a language.. What next WikiTexan, WikiNew England, WikiCockney, WikiCalifornian???? Baristarim 00:28, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose same as Baristarim --MinionComma 20:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, although living in Berlin since 1972: Berlinisch is a dialect only, and it is not even spoken widely in Berlin which is a very open city; Berlinisch is present spoken in old districts with a population that never migrate and sometimes doesn't know the neighborough parts of the town. By the way, I guess that in the former East part of the city the speak some different dialect, so we should then make West Berlinisch and East Berlinisch to be political correct... -jkb- 22:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's wrong, most Berliner can still speak the language - and it's one of its own, even if mostly classified as a dialect. But it's true that the language is dying because it won't be promoted. --Berliner76

Oppose i was born in Berlin, i lived all my life in Berlin and i contribute mostly to Berlin related topics in De.Wikipedia, but i never write in Berlinisch and i don't think that a bln.Wikipedia will get enough contributors. 6 Million contributors is also a very optimistic number, because especially in Berlin there are many many people from other regions of Germany. i will surely never visit bln.wp. --BLueFiSH ✉ 15:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Oppose - Squatting of an official ISO-639 code .. Mbugu .. GerardM 10:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose --Jordi G 16:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per above (und ick weeß sehr jenau, warum!) SARAzyn diSK 22:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this goes too far; I generally support wikipedias in the "dialects" of Germany or also France. But the dialect of Berlin is not what we see as a traditional dialect but a variation with very small differences to standard German. In fact, it is the result of a blending of the old Low German language of the area and Standard German. On top of that, it's not even widely spoken anymore for all I know. --Clemens 02:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As with Koelsch below, Berlinisch is a dialect, not a language of its own. Creating a separate Wikipedia to attract Berliner will serve only to detract from the well-roundedness of dewiki. AmiDaniel 05:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
strong oppose. gawd. --Janneman 18:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Neutral or actually weak oppose. While I have supported most of the proposal for Wikipedias in German regional languages, I think this is one step too far. It's the dialect of one city only and not even considered a language by Ethnologue. These are not fruitful cicumstances for a Wikipedia. On the other hand, I must admit the Berlin dialect is pretty unique in its combination of Low, High and Middle German characteristics, somewhat similar to Town Frisian. I opt for a Wikicity. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 12:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]